Federer 2015 v Federer 2005 at Wimbledon and the US open - how do you think it goes?

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As we know, Federer's prime/peak has been the subject of much discussion on this forum. He certainly won the most slams from 03-07, although per his own testimony, considered himself a better player in 2015 than ever before:

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”

I think this is a potentially interesting matchup, since many consider Federer to have shown some of his most imperious, offensive form in 2005, something which his 2015 form was also noted for.

So, 2015 Federer meets 2005 Federer in the finals of Wimbledon. Then again in the finals of the Open.

Who wins, and what's the scoreline?
 
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2005 Fed wins both in 4. No reason to pick 2015.
Ancient, limping Backassi took 2005erer to 4 in the Open finals being 10 years older than him and barely able to move at what could generously be called a brisk pace for parts of the match tho
 

MeatTornado

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“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”
"I used to shank balls often with my older racket, but then again it helped me a lot with my slice and my forehand. I think my forehand was unbelievable with my old racket."
 
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2005 crippled Agassi who could barely walk had 05 Fed on the ropes for 2 sets.... now imagine peak 2015 Federer with his best ever serve, BH, volleys, good as ever FH o_O
I am curious to see the response as to why Backassi was able to push 2005erer so hard but 2015erer wouldn't...
 
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"I used to shank balls often with my older racket, but then again it helped me a lot with my slice and my forehand. I think my forehand was unbelievable with my old racket."
Doesn't change his original statement. "Forehand as good as ever" doesn't mean prior forehand wasn't "unbelievable" as being a slam champ and dominant world #1 attest
 

MeatTornado

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Doesn't change his original statement. "Forehand as good as ever" doesn't mean prior forehand wasn't "unbelievable" as being a slam champ and dominant world #1 attest
Yeah he just randomly said his old forehand was unbelievable. Totally normal thing to say if you think your current forehand is also unbelievable.
 
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Yeah he just randomly said his old forehand was unbelievable. Totally normal thing to say if you think your current forehand is also unbelievable.
So why would he say he was a better player then? Old age getting to Rodger the Codger's memory?
 

PMChambers

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In 2015 he was definitely a better rounded player. His forehand might have been a touch worse but shot wise he was better. His main difference was movement and that is only marginal difference.
My recollection of 2015 without revisiting it was Federer missed a lot more than normal going wide. At the time I thought he was worried about opening the court up because Djokovic counter could hurt him, as a result he played more central and when we went wide he was gunning it.
2005 movement would have helped, as he could play safer but in general his game was worse.
2004 - 2007 Fed got away with slicing and playing short a little too much. Nadal took advantage of that and later so did Djokovic, though Djokovic net play makes it a little harder.
Personally I thought Fed played well in 2015 but Fed like all players game depends on his opposition, especially with confidence.
2015 Djok is far better player than 2005 Agassi and similar in style, with the main difference being Djok hits more top and safer and Agassi ROS is more agressive.
 

mike danny

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In 2015 he was definitely a better rounded player. His forehand might have been a touch worse but shot wise he was better. His main difference was movement and that is only marginal difference.
My recollection of 2015 without revisiting it was Federer missed a lot more than normal going wide. At the time I thought he was worried about opening the court up because Djokovic counter could hurt him, as a result he played more central and when we went wide he was gunning it.
2005 movement would have helped, as he could play safer but in general his game was worse.
2004 - 2007 Fed got away with slicing and playing short a little too much. Nadal took advantage of that and later so did Djokovic, though Djokovic net play makes it a little harder.
Personally I thought Fed played well in 2015 but Fed like all players game depends on his opposition, especially with confidence.
2015 Djok is far better player than 2005 Agassi and similar in style, with the main difference being Djok hits more top and safer and Agassi ROS is more agressive.
2005 Fed had better FH, movement and stamina. Nothing 2015 does is better except serving.

You talk about Djokovic being better thsn 2005 Agassi, bit how about 2005 Fed also being better than 2015 Fed?
 
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2005 Fed had better FH, movement and stamina. Nothing 2015 does is better except serving.

You talk about Djokovic being better thsn 2005 Agassi, bit how about 2005 Fed also being better than 2015 Fed?
The point is that if 2005 Agassi was able to push 2005erer so hard, then why couldn't 2015erer? Unless you think 34 year old Fed<35 year old, hobbling, spondylolisthesis ridden Agassi who could barely serve and jog at times?
 

ForehandCross

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A fundamental thing that people here do not realise is the concept of style.

Djokovic is a patient ,in control of the rallies because of his placement and likes to take charge aggressively after exchanging some blows.


This allowed 2015 Federer to take his game to him. At time 2015 was successful , especially in the 2015 USO F, to play the match on his terms.


Now 2005 Federer will present a completely different problem.

Simply because he would like to take charge of the rally within 2-3 shots and he had strong tools and playing patterns to do that .

And unlike 2015, 2005 wouldn't need to be to take extreme risk, his depth and placement on FH along with the assurance of his physical abilities would give him enough leverage to not try too much.

That simply takes away the biggest advantage 2015 has ,the ability to rush the opponents somewhat depends on the ability to take charge as soon as possible. Which here won't happen because he himself can be at the receiving end of the same thing.


Now that it has been established that Federer 2005 is a little stronger on reliable offence, it needs to be pointed out that his defense was near other big member levels in those days.


This is an extremely powerful combination for an aggressive player.

Not only that,2005 was a slightly stronger server than 2015 Djokovic against whom Federer struggled on return.



I think 2005 easily takes WB in 4 sets.Especially since 2015 got a little tired in around third set.





But the way Federer's BH broke down in USO 2005 for two sets is kind of unforgivable. I think someone like Djokovic or Nadal would kill him for that.

2015 himself was playing some inspired tennis, and would definitely pounce on the weaker BH phase. However, he would have to do what Agassi did, hit strong hard consistently to that side.


But besides that , Federer's FH was on a stratospheric levels in 2005 USO F. And his level in 1st and 4th sets were sky high.


This should be a great 5 setter, 2015 to lead 2-1 even, but when 2005 will get himself together he will be overwhelm his older self probably .


2005 in five sets.
 

MeatTornado

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The point is that if 2005 Agassi was able to push 2005erer so hard, then why couldn't 2015erer? Unless you think 34 year old Fed<35 year old, hobbling, spondylolisthesis ridden Agassi who could barely serve and jog at times?
2015 Fed could most certainly push 2005 Fed. 2015erer is going to hold serve the vast majority of the time, keeping the scoreboard pressure on.

But that's different from saying he'll win.
 

ForehandCross

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The point is that if 2005 Agassi was able to push 2005erer so hard, then why couldn't 2015erer? Unless you think 34 year old Fed<35 year old, hobbling, spondylolisthesis ridden Agassi who could barely serve and jog at times?


Err it's clear you have no idea of the match.

It was close in the middle because Federer's BH broke down.

Why did that happen? Because Agassi was stepping in the court and absolutely thumping the ball strong and hard towards that side with frequent direction change that are extremely hard to do. And most of the time he was doing it by his BH.


Agassi wasn't moving well, but he was being extremely smart and hitting the ball pretty strongly.


Even then, when Federer's BH was not bleeding, he was bludgeoning Agassi, the first set was monstrous from him. And so were the last stages of 3rd and 4th set.


The most essential part of the discussion is actually Agassi BH. He used his BH to bully the Federer BH and then the FH to rush him.
Meanwhile his BH also withstood Federer's FH attacks and mostly succeeded getting the ball back to his weaker wing and in not letting Federer's FH take everything away.



The point being can Federer 2015 regularly Target that wing from his BH like Agassi actually did? Because Federer's BH even in 2015 is more of precision/variety type and probably can't use the beat down play that much.
 
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Err it's clear you have no idea of the match.

It was close in the middle because Federer's BH broke down.

Why did that happen? Because Agassi was stepping in the court and absolutely thumping the ball strong and hard towards that side with frequent direction change that are extremely hard to do. And most of the time he was doing it by his BH.


Agassi wasn't moving well, but he was being extremely smart and hitting the ball pretty strongly.


Even then, when Federer's BH was not bleeding, he was bludgeoning Agassi, the first set was monstrous from him. And so were the last stages of 3rd and 4th set.


The most essential part of the discussion is actually Agassi BH. He used his BH to bully the Federer BH and then the FH to rush him.
Meanwhile his BH also withstood Federer's FH attacks mostly succeeded getting the ball back to Federer BH and in not letting Federer's FH take everything away.



The point being can Federer 2015 regularly Target that wing from his BH like Agassi actually did? Because Federer's BH even in 2015 is more of precision/variety type not probably can't use the beat down play that much.
Err its clear you have no idea of my idea of the match.

The rest of your post is true, and 'Dre definitely bullied Fed around by virtue of his backhand. 2015erer doesn't have 'Dre's backhand, but he's significantly more mobile which will allow him to run around and hit forehands to uncomfortable areas on the backhand side to give himself short balls to attack and finish at net. And he could honestly do the same with his backhand, by sheer virtue of how early and solid he was hitting it in 2015. All this, plus the massively better serve as compared to Agassi is going to make him a favorite in tiebreakers should it go to that.
 

metsman

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2015 Federer would have to play 2005 Federer like a glorified Kiefer essentially. Serve well, take chances coming in, try to hit a big groundie at the first opportunity. Kiefer did have some success but they were also in the earlier rounds with Fed going at max 50-75%. Also, 15 Federer wouldn't play nearly as freely since he'd be more tight. 05 Wimby wins in straights unless 15 Fed sneaks in a TB like 2 sets down after a set of tremendous serving. 05 USO could lose a set because he was more up and down that tournament, but not like 15 Fed could come close to the things Agassi was doing off the ground and return, nor could he play as cleanly and mistake-free. Hewitt and Agassi had to play at the absolute top of their respective levels at the time to win their sets, 15 Fed never came close to playing such a pristine set in the 15 USO F (the equivalent would be like 3rd set of 16 AO). He got broken twice in 3 of the 4 sets.
 

mike danny

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A fundamental thing that people here do not realise is the concept of style.

Djokovic is a patient ,in control of the rallies because of his placement and likes to take charge aggressively after exchanging some blows.


This allowed 2015 Federer to take his game to him. At time 2015 was successful , especially in the 2015 USO F, to play the match on his terms.


Now 2005 Federer will present a completely different problem.

Simply because he would like to take charge of the rally within 2-3 shots and he had strong tools and playing patterns to do that .

And unlike 2015, 2005 wouldn't need to be to take extreme risk, his depth and placement on FH along with the assurance of his physical abilities would give him enough leverage to not try too much.

That simply takes away the biggest advantage 2015 has ,the ability to rush the opponents somewhat depends on the ability to take charge as soon as possible. Which here won't happen because he himself can be at the receiving end of the same thing.


Now that it has been established that Federer 2005 is a little stronger on reliable offence, it needs to be pointed out that his defense was near other big member levels in those days.


This is an extremely powerful combination for an aggressive player.

Not only that,2005 was a slightly stronger server than 2015 Djokovic against whom Federer struggled on return.



I think 2005 easily takes WB in 4 sets.Especially since 2015 got a little tired in around third set.





But the way Federer's BH broke down in USO 2005 for two sets is kind of unforgivable. I think someone like Djokovic or Nadal would kill him for that.

2015 himself was playing some inspired tennis, and would definitely pounce on the weaker BH phase. However, he would have to do what Agassi did, hit strong hard consistently to that side.


But besides that , Federer's FH was on a stratospheric levels in 2005 USO F. And his level in 1st and 4th sets were sky high.


This should be a great 5 setter, 2015 to lead 2-1 even, but when 2005 will get himself together he will be overwhelm his older self probably .


2005 in five sets.
I actually think 2005 Fed will win in 4. He had a knack for raising his level in the important moments. That's how he beat Hewitt and Agassi at the USO.

2015 Fed coukd overwhelm him for a bit, but 2005 Fed then goes up a higher gear that 2015 can't touch and finishes the match in 4.

And while 2005 had the BH problem, 2015 had the FH and the movement problem. Only the best versions of Djokodal can expose the BH problem, but other weaker versions don't do that. Not with the rest of Fed's game functioning well.
 

Jaitock1991

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A fundamental thing that people here do not realise is the concept of style.

Djokovic is a patient ,in control of the rallies because of his placement and likes to take charge aggressively after exchanging some blows.


This allowed 2015 Federer to take his game to him. At time 2015 was successful , especially in the 2015 USO F, to play the match on his terms.


Now 2005 Federer will present a completely different problem.

Simply because he would like to take charge of the rally within 2-3 shots and he had strong tools and playing patterns to do that .

And unlike 2015, 2005 wouldn't need to be to take extreme risk, his depth and placement on FH along with the assurance of his physical abilities would give him enough leverage to not try too much.

That simply takes away the biggest advantage 2015 has ,the ability to rush the opponents somewhat depends on the ability to take charge as soon as possible. Which here won't happen because he himself can be at the receiving end of the same thing.


Now that it has been established that Federer 2005 is a little stronger on reliable offence, it needs to be pointed out that his defense was near other big member levels in those days.


This is an extremely powerful combination for an aggressive player.

Not only that,2005 was a slightly stronger server than 2015 Djokovic against whom Federer struggled on return.



I think 2005 easily takes WB in 4 sets.Especially since 2015 got a little tired in around third set.





But the way Federer's BH broke down in USO 2005 for two sets is kind of unforgivable. I think someone like Djokovic or Nadal would kill him for that.

2015 himself was playing some inspired tennis, and would definitely pounce on the weaker BH phase. However, he would have to do what Agassi did, hit strong hard consistently to that side.


But besides that , Federer's FH was on a stratospheric levels in 2005 USO F. And his level in 1st and 4th sets were sky high.


This should be a great 5 setter, 2015 to lead 2-1 even, but when 2005 will get himself together he will be overwhelm his older self probably .


2005 in five sets.


Great points. After having watched that USO2015 final again on several occasions, the one thing that sticks out to me is that Fed at the time was very aware of his physical inferiority. He knew that if he was going to win he had to do so by going through Djoker by playing near perfect aggressive tennis. Being just aggressive enough to hit through him, while also being just patient enough to not take too much risk. An unbelievably difficult balance that I think was the reason why that match was lost mentally more than anything. For large parts of that match it was obvious that he struggled massively to find that balance, especially on the bigger points when Novak would chase down pretty much every ball.

As you say, 2005 Fed would not have that physical inferiority. Would be a very interesting encounter to see him go up against 2015 Novak for sure.
 

metsman

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I actually think 2005 Fed will win in 4. He had a knack for raising his level in the important moments. That's how he beat Hewitt and Agassi at the USO.

2015 Fed coukd overwhelm him for a bit, but 2005 Fed then goes up a higher gear that 2015 can't touch and finishes the match in 4.

And while 2005 had the BH problem, 2015 had the FH and the movement problem. Only the best versions of Djokodal can expose the BH problem, but other weaker versions don't do that. Not with the rest of Fed's game functioning well.
2015 Federer wouldn't be overwhelming anyone with how nervously he played in the USO final. Agassi played fearless for a set and a half without many mistakes. Federer was leaking plenty of UFE at every single stage of the 2015 match and never got in any kind of good rhythm serving either.

Federer lost 5 sets in the SF/F of Wimby/USO combined from 04-06. In every single one of the sets the winner played at the absolute peak of their ability at the time (and in some cases, all time). Federer did something similar in the 3rd set of 16 AO because he was loose and free being wrecked in the first 2 sets(and then immediately tightened up the minute he won the set). Taking a set from him isn't child's play in the money rounds even when he's spraying his BH unless you are seriously on your game, and Federer was never close to that in the 15 USO F. Sure you could blame mental whatever issues, but those issues aren't going away with someone with the aura of 05 Fed.
 

ForehandCross

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Err its clear you have no idea of my idea of the match.

The rest of your post is true, and 'Dre definitely bullied Fed around by virtue of his backhand. 2015erer doesn't have 'Dre's backhand, but he's significantly more mobile which will allow him to run around and hit forehands to uncomfortable areas on the backhand side to give himself short balls to attack and finish at net. And he could honestly do the same with his backhand, by sheer virtue of how early and solid he was hitting it in 2015. All this, plus the massively better serve as compared to Agassi is going to make him a favorite in tiebreakers should it go to that.

Which I have taken into account and that's why I have said it will be a five setter because Federer's BH breaking worse than it ever has (yes worse than many Nadal matches) was unforgivable.

But there were still enough patches where Federer held it together and he was at his best in those.

Not to mention his FH was at it's most devastating , less spectacular than 2004 F but probably more ridiculous , than any match I have seen.


2005 in 5 was my prediction, and it shall remain so.


Not going to further discuss it, but if you actually think a single hander BH with questionable consistency on can actually employ Beat down play like Djokovic or Agassi then you are wrong.


By "Beat down" I didn't mean winners galore ala Wawrinka , I meant strong deep BH CC like Djokovic and Agassi.
 
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2015 Federer wouldn't be overwhelming anyone with how nervously he played in the USO final. Agassi played fearless for a set and a half without many mistakes. Federer was leaking plenty of UFE at every single stage of the 2015 match and never got in any kind of good rhythm serving either.

Federer lost 5 sets in the SF/F of Wimby/USO combined from 04-06. In every single one of the sets the winner played at the absolute peak of their ability at the time (and in some cases, all time). Federer did something similar in the 3rd set of 16 AO because he was loose and free being wrecked in the first 2 sets(and then immediately tightened up the minute he won the set). Taking a set from him isn't child's play in the money rounds even when he's spraying his BH unless you are seriously on your game, and Federer was never close to that in the 15 USO F. Sure you could blame mental whatever issues, but those issues aren't going away with someone with the aura of 05 Fed.
2015erer was taking the ball much earlier and rushing Novak though, which allowed him to be competitive. Similar to what Agassi did to 2005erer. Of course Agassi takes the ball earlier, better, and cleaner than anyone in history, but Federer is no slouch in this department either, and 2015erer would be moving much better than 2005assi. The change up with being sliced at quite a bit, to being hit deep solid backhands to being rushed with fast, early backhands might make 2005erer's shaky backhand spray more than normal...
 
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Which I have taken into account and that's why I have said it will be a five setter because Federer's BH breaking worse than it ever has (yes worse than many Nadal matches) was unforgivable.

But there were still enough patches where Federer held it together and he was at his best in those.

Not to mention his FH was at it's most devastating , less spectacular than 2004 F but probably more ridiculous , than any match I have seen.


2005 in 5 was my prediction, and it shall remain so.


Not going to further discuss it, but if you actually think a single hander BH with questionable consistency on can actually employ Beat down play like Djokovic or Agassi then you are wrong.


By "Beat down" I didn't mean winners galore ala Wawrinka , I meant strong deep BH CC like Djokovic and Agassi.
I think we talked about this before (?) but remember, 2015erer is going to get to a lot more of those devastating forehands than Agassi did. That might make it less spectacular or more error prone as the match goes on.

Edit: Also, no, 2015erer's backhand isn't on the level of 2005 Agassi's (which I mentioned in the post you're responding to). I just think its good enough to rush 2005erer's backhand with variety, pace, and early-hitting.
 

metsman

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2015erer was taking the ball much earlier and rushing Novak though, which allowed him to be competitive. Similar to what Agassi did to 2005erer. Of course Agassi takes the ball earlier, better, and cleaner than anyone in history, but Federer is no slouch in this department either, and 2015erer would be moving much better than 2005assi. The change up with being sliced at quite a bit, to being hit deep solid backhands to being rushed with fast, early backhands might make 2005erer's shaky backhand spray more than normal...
2015 USO Federer played mostly like a headless chicken not too far from Roddick's YOLO performances in mentality (he played a bit better just because he has more options than Roddick does with that type of game). He clearly knew he had no chance using conventional tactics and was just going for maximum chaos but couldn't execute it consistently. Joe being a USO basket case made the match close instead of a masterclass. Federer at least served well enough at Wimby to keep it close the first couple sets.

2015 Federer has no chance of doing what Agassi did lol
 

ForehandCross

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I think we talked about this before (?) but remember, 2015erer is going to get to a lot more of those devastating forehands than Agassi did. That might make it less spectacular or more error prone as the match goes on.

Edit: Also, no, 2015erer's backhand isn't on the level of 2005 Agassi's (which I mentioned in the post you're responding to). I just think its good enough to rush 2005erer's backhand with variety, pace, and early-hitting.

I was talking that about Federer FH.
 

mike danny

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I think we talked about this before (?) but remember, 2015erer is going to get to a lot more of those devastating forehands than Agassi did. That might make it less spectacular or more error prone as the match goes on.

Edit: Also, no, 2015erer's backhand isn't on the level of 2005 Agassi's (which I mentioned in the post you're responding to). I just think its good enough to rush 2005erer's backhand with variety, pace, and early-hitting.
2015erer doesn't have peak Djokodal defense to leak errors from 2005 Fed's FH.
 

JaoSousa

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This whole thread is literally people who actually watch tennis versus people who repeat things that @Lew II says. At least Lew backs them up with (not always objective) numbers, these people just have no clue about tennis.
 

Third Serve

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2015 Federer wouldn't be overwhelming anyone with how nervously he played in the USO final. Agassi played fearless for a set and a half without many mistakes. Federer was leaking plenty of UFE at every single stage of the 2015 match and never got in any kind of good rhythm serving either.

Federer lost 5 sets in the SF/F of Wimby/USO combined from 04-06. In every single one of the sets the winner played at the absolute peak of their ability at the time (and in some cases, all time). Federer did something similar in the 3rd set of 16 AO because he was loose and free being wrecked in the first 2 sets(and then immediately tightened up the minute he won the set). Taking a set from him isn't child's play in the money rounds even when he's spraying his BH unless you are seriously on your game, and Federer was never close to that in the 15 USO F. Sure you could blame mental whatever issues, but those issues aren't going away with someone with the aura of 05 Fed.
Agree completely here. Not much I’d add to this.
 

Lew II

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This whole thread is literally people who actually watch tennis versus people who repeat things that @Lew II says. At least Lew backs them up with (not always objective) numbers, these people just have no clue about tennis.
So Federer doesn't watch his own tennis?
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic also said that Federer in 2015 was playing some of his best tennis.

Must be both wrong about their own game, while the TTW unbiased Fed fanbase must be right.
 

Lew II

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June-september 2015 excluding the two Slam finals:

Federer 62 sets won and 2 sets lost (96.9%)
Djokovic 53 sets won and 11 sets lost (82.8%)
 

abmk

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June-september 2015 excluding the two Slam finals:

Federer 62 sets won and 2 sets lost (96.9%)
Djokovic 53 sets won and 11 sets lost (82.8%)

so what you are saying is:
1. Djokovic exploited fed's lack of stamina/ability to play at a high level over 5 sets in those 2 finals.
2. It was a weak period for 33+ year old fed to only lose 2 sets - though he was playing well in phases lasting ~2hrs or so
3. Djokovic wasn't that sharp at Canada/Cincy and earlier rounds of USO (+match vs Anderson at Wim)

you are correct, then.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
2015 USO Federer played mostly like a headless chicken not too far from Roddick's YOLO performances in mentality (he played a bit better just because he has more options than Roddick does with that type of game). He clearly knew he had no chance using conventional tactics and was just going for maximum chaos but couldn't execute it consistently. Joe being a USO basket case made the match close instead of a masterclass. Federer at least served well enough at Wimby to keep it close the first couple sets.

2015 Federer has no chance of doing what Agassi did lol

tbf, Djoko adopted to the SABR tactics rather well after what happened at Cincy.
 

RS

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Rating out of 10 for the finals

Wim 03 - 9.75
Wim 04 - 9.25
Wim 05 - 9.75
Wim 06 - 9.75
Wim 07 - 9.25
Wim 08 - 9
Wim 09 - 9
Wim 12 SF/F - 9
Wim 14 - 8.25
Wim 15 - 7.75
Wim 17 - 9
Wim 19 - 8

USO 04 - 9.75
USO 05 - 9
USO 06 - 9.75
USO 07 - 8.5
USO 08 - 9.25
USO 09 - 8
USO 11 SF - 8.5
USO 15 - 7.75

In theory both finals among the worst relative to Federer himself. He didn’t have the same ground game and physical side he used to stay with Djokovic for a full tough 5 setter imo.

@Rolland Petros
 
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ChrisRF

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This is very difficult because there are also more versions of “2005 Wimbledon / US Open” vs “2015 Wimbledon / US Open”.

For example, 2015 Wimbledon Federer was great against Murray and very mediocre against Djokovic. 2005 US Open Federer had phases of non-peak play, but also totally dismantled his nemesis Nalbandian.

It would be decided by which version has the better day, as simple as that.
 

Nole_King

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The point is that if 2005 Agassi was able to push 2005erer so hard, then why couldn't 2015erer? Unless you think 34 year old Fed<35 year old, hobbling, spondylolisthesis ridden Agassi who could barely serve and jog at times?

Yeah. Now I know answer to why 2011 Isner could push Nadal to 5 sets at French Open but Federer couldn't. Because Isner was better than Federer. Heck, Isner was the second best player at French Open 2011
 

Sunny014

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Federer of 05-06 period would spank any version of these 2012s or 2015s or whatever versions of Fed u come up with in straight sets.
 

socallefty

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2015 Federer had a better BH topspin drive, better BH returns, better serve accuracy and more experience with strategy/tactics. 2005 Federer had a better FH, faster serve, quicker footwork which allowed him to run around and hit many inside-FHs along with a more devastating BH-slice.

I honestly cannot tell by the eye-test which version was better especially as his competition was tougher in 2015 with only a BOAT-level Djokovic standing between him and the USO/Wimbledon titles. Federer pretty much slaughtered all other competition in both years.
 

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Djokovic also said that Federer in 2015 was playing some of his best tennis.

Must be both wrong about their own game, while the TTW unbiased Fed fanbase must be right.
Did you always think 2015 Federer was playing his best tennis?
 
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