Federer and Ferrer have played 16 Times, Never at a Grand Slam...Is this a record

[McEnroeisanartist]

Federer and Ferrer have played 16 Times, but never at a Grand Slam.
I assume this is the most matches in a rivalry with no match played at a Grand Slam?
Any other rivalries more than 10 matches with no matches at a Grand Slam that come to mind?

Times that Federer and Ferrer were one match away from playing at a Grand Slam

2005 French Open - Ferrer lost in Quarterfinals to Nadal
2007 US Open - Ferrer lost to Djokovic in Semifinals to Djokovic
2008 Australian Open - Ferrer lost in Quarterfinals to Djokovic
2008 French Open - Ferrer lost in Quarterfinals to Monfils
2011 French Open - Ferrer lost in 4th Round to Monfils
2011 Wimbledon - Ferrer lost in 4th Round to Tsonga
2013 French Open - Federer lost in Quarterfinals to Tsonga

 

[Mainad]

Given that Ferrer has coincidentally lost 16 times to Federer I'm guessing the outcome would probably not have been any different even if they had met at a Grand Slam.

 

[TMF]

They did play a 5-setter in 2007 Master Cup and Federer beat him, so any 5-setter at the slam wouldn't matter either.
Nadal lost to Ferrer 6 times, including 2 at the slams.
Nole also suffered 5 losses against Ferrer.

 

[buscemi]

Federer and Ferrer have played 16 Times, but never at a Grand Slam.
I assume this is the most matches in a rivalry with no match played at a Grand Slam?
Any other rivalries more than 10 matches with no matches at a Grand Slam that come to mind?

Times that Federer and Ferrer were one match away from playing at a Grand Slam

2005 French Open - Ferrer lost in Quarterfinals to Nadal
2007 US Open - Ferrer lost to Djokovic in Semifinals to Djokovic
2008 Australian Open - Ferrer lost in Quarterfinals to Djokovic
2008 French Open - Ferrer lost in Quarterfinals to Monfils
2011 French Open - Ferrer lost in 4th Round to Monfils
2011 Wimbledon - Ferrer lost in 4th Round to Tsonga
2013 French Open - Federer lost in Quarterfinals to Tsonga

I remembered Brad Gilbert and Stefan Edberg playing a bunch outside of Majors. Turns out they played 19 times, with Edberg winning 16, but they actually did play a third round match at the 1985 U.S. Open, so that matchup wouldn't qualify.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Lendl was 16-0 over Brad Gilbert, but they did play one match at the USO.

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

They did play a 5-setter in 2007 Master Cup and Federer beat him, so any 5-setter at the slam wouldn't matter either.
Nadal lost to Ferrer 6 times, including 2 at the slams.
Nole also suffered 5 losses against Ferrer.

And you want to know WHY you're viewed as a dbag troll?

A "Master Cup" is not a grand slam and therefore had nothing to do with the thread question.

Nadal and Nole had nothing to do with the thread question (it was about Ferrer).

Fanboy. Troll. You.​

 

[swordtennis]

^^^^^^

 

[TMF]

And you want to know WHY you're viewed as a dbag troll?

A "Master Cup" is not a grand slam and therefore had nothing to do with the thread question.

Nadal and Nole had nothing to do with the thread question (it was about Ferrer).

Fanboy. Troll. You.​

It's a 5 set format old man.

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

^^^^^^
I understand you were not raised and educated in an English-speaking country. However, "Grand Slam" was the queston.

nice try though old boy

 

[6-3 6-0]

I'd have liked to meet them at RG '13 because of:
1) Ferrer's best surface is clay
2) Federer was below par that year and enjoys a big matchup advantage over Ferrer

Unfortunately Tsonga was too "Stronga" in the QF. In that potential SF I'd have given 50/50 for both

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

^^^^^^

: )

 

[kishnabe]

Given that Ferrer has coincidentally lost 16 times to Federer I'm guessing the outcome would probably not have been any different even if they had met at a Grand Slam.

Ferrer 2013 French Open would have a hugh shot against Federer worst full year on tour since 2002.

 

[Phoenix1983]

I don't think this page is quite up to date/complete, but all of the rivalries on here with 16+ matches feature at least one GS encounter;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tennis_rivalries#Open_Era

 

[mike danny]

Ferrer 2013 French Open would have a hugh shot against Federer worst full year on tour since 2002.

Yeah, it would have stung a bit had Ferrer's only win over Roger occurred in their only major meeting

 

[mike danny]

Federer and Ferrer have played 16 Times, but never at a Grand Slam.
I assume this is the most matches in a rivalry with no match played at a Grand Slam?
Any other rivalries more than 10 matches with no matches at a Grand Slam that come to mind?

Times that Federer and Ferrer were one match away from playing at a Grand Slam

2005 French Open - Ferrer lost in Quarterfinals to Nadal
2007 US Open - Ferrer lost to Djokovic in Semifinals to Djokovic
2008 Australian Open - Ferrer lost in Quarterfinals to Djokovic
2008 French Open - Ferrer lost in Quarterfinals to Monfils
2011 French Open - Ferrer lost in 4th Round to Monfils
2011 Wimbledon - Ferrer lost in 4th Round to Tsonga
2013 French Open - Federer lost in Quarterfinals to Tsonga

So it was mostly Ferrer's fault for never meeting in a slam (2013 FO was Roger's fault).

The losses to Monfils were a bit inexcusable. Those are the matches Ferrer should have won, on his favorite surface.

 

[mike danny]

The way things currently are, I doubt they will ever meet in a GS

But if they are to meet, it will probably be in an early round as Ferrer's ranking in quite low.

 

[buscemi]

I don't think this page is quite up to date/complete, but all of the rivalries on here with 16+ matches feature at least one GS encounter;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tennis_rivalries#Open_Era

Yes, that's incomplete. For instance, Chang/Courier was a great rivalry not on this list, with 24 matches and each player winning 12. But this rivalry is a near miss as well, with 1 Major matchup, with Courier beating Chang at the 1995 U.S. Open.

 

[buscemi]

Any other rivalries more than 10 matches with no matches at a Grand Slam that come to mind?

Chang and Ivanisevic played 11 Majors, none at Majors, with Chang having the 6-5 lead.

 

[Phoenix1983]

Yes, that's incomplete. For instance, Chang/Courier was a great rivalry not on this list, with 24 matches and each player winning 12. But this rivalry is a near miss as well, with 1 Major matchup, with Courier beating Chang at the 1995 U.S. Open.

Is there an accurate list anywhere? I suspect Federer-Ferrer is the record holder in this area (in the Open Era), but can't prove it.

 

[buscemi]

Is there an accurate list anywhere? I suspect Federer-Ferrer is the record holder in this area (in the Open Era), but can't prove it.

Not as far as I know. Federer/Ferrer seems tough to beat, but some of these H2Hs with more matches and just 1 match at a Major, like Edberg/Gilbert and Courier/Chang, makes me think that it might not be a record.

 

[MasturB]

Fedr and Nadal have played at majors hundreds of times but still no USO confrontation.

 

[Mainad]

They did play a 5-setter in 2007 Master Cup and Federer beat him, so any 5-setter at the slam wouldn't matter either.

They played the final at the 2007 Masters Cup but Federer won in straights. They met 3 other times at the WTF, 3 years on the trot (2010,2011 & 2012) but each time Federer won in straights.

 

[AiRFederer]

Remember when Nadal had Ferrer/Murray in Slam semis while Fed and Djoker killed each other? Fun times eh.