Federer and Nadal at the Grand Slams

[Nicholas Warino]

Since 1999, Federer has played in 56 out of 58 total grandslam tournaments (he lost in the qualifiers twice in 1999). There were 116,000 possible points to be earned, and Federer earned 52,900 (46%).

Since 2003, Nadal has played in 35 of 43 possible GS tournaments. There were 86,000 possible points, and Nadal earned 34,600 (40%).

Perhaps more revealingly is looking at their performance since they started resembling their peak form. So starting the clock from the year they won their first title (2003 for Federer and 2005 for Nadal), you get this:

Federer: 44 possible GS tournaments, 44 entered. 88,000 possible points, 51,140 earned (58%). That comes out to 1162 points per tournament...reaching the finals is worth 1200 points.

Nadal: 35 possible GS tournaments, 4 missed. 70,000 possible points, 34,330 entered (49%). That's an average of 980 points per tournament...SF is 720 points.

Also:

Consecutive GS titles:
Federer: 3 (twice)
Nadal: 3

Consecutive GS finals:
Federer: 10 (8 second best)
Nadal: 5 (3 is second best)

Consecutive GS SF:
Federer: 23
Nadal: 5 (twice)

Consecutive GS QF:
Federer: 36 (and counting)
Nadal: 11

Consecutive GS 4th Round:
Federer: 36 (and counting)
Nadal: 13

Consecutive GS 3rd Round:
Federer: 40 (and counting)
Nadal: 13

Consecutive GS 2nd Round:
Federer: 40 (and counting)
Nadal: 13

Consecutive GS Entered:
Federer: 52 (and counting)
Nadal: 13

Total GS titles:
Federer: 17
Nadal: 12

Total GS finals:
Federer: 24
Nadal: 17

Total GS SF:
Federer: 33
Nadal: 20

Total GS QF
Federer: 40
Nadal: 24

Total GS 4R:
Federer: 46
Nadal: 27

Total GS 3R:
Federer: 50
Nadal: 30

Total GS 2R:
Federer: 50
Nadal: 34

Total GS Entered:
Federer: 56
Nadal: 35

 

[6-3 6-0]

Unbelievable/Unparalleled consistency of RFederer on every surface - One of the reasons why he was No. 1 for straight 237 weeks.
There is no shame in staying No. 2 behind such a player for straight 160 weeks.

 

[ScottleeSV]

Nice work. Some interesting stuff in there.

 

[forzamilan90]

That must have taken some effort to dig up, nicely done

 

[wangs78]

Nice work - would be nice to see where Djokovic stands. He is up to 12 for consecutive Slam SFs reached, which is well ahead of Nadal's 5 already.

 

[Mustard]

Yet the Federer fanatics fear Nadal like the devil fears holy water. If Federer really is THAT far ahead of Nadal, why the fuss?

 

[veroniquem]

Nadal actually has a better winning % than Fed in slams overall.

 

[forzamilan90]

Yet the Federer fanatics fear Nadal like the devil fears holy water. If Federer really is THAT far ahead of Nadal, why the fuss?

because of forum politics. We all know Nads aint catching him (even if he does it will likely be via more FOs, like that's gonna make him GOAT)

 

[6-3 6-0]

Nadal actually has a better winning % than Fed in slams overall.

Yes, that's true. But can you kindly state what was RFederer's slam winning percentage when he was at RNadal's age?
If RNadal keeps playing at 30+, his win/loss percentage are bound to get lowered.

 

[veroniquem]

Yes, that's true. But can you kindly state what was RFederer's slam winning percentage when he was at RNadal's age?
If RNadal keeps playing at 30+, his win/loss percentage are bound to get lowered.

As far as I know, Rafa's winning % in slams is better than Fed's at any age.

 

[Cosmic_Colin]

Interesting stats. It would be good to see the same for 2008 - present, to see how they differ more recently. It would also strip out the so-called (fictitious IMO) 'weak era'.

 

[wangs78]

This is really a fairly useless stat as it has a whole lot to do with how quickly a player began playing well at Slams after turning pro. Fed took a little longer (he really hit his stride when he was age 21) so he had about three years where he accumulated losses with few wins. Nadal on the other hand basically began reaching the 2nd week of Slams in his 2nd year (and won the FO the first time he entered!!). All of the GOAT candidates are going to have winning % at Slams of somewhere in the mid to high 80% range.

 

[veroniquem]

The weak era was end of 90s/beginning of 2000s. Right now, it's more like a golden era with a very strong (and durable) elite at the top.

 

[Nicholas Warino]

Yup, I think that's true. Nadal has a higher percentage of points won in tournaments entered than Federer, at any age. However, that benefits Nadal because it inherently ignores when Nadal doesn't play in tournaments (Federer obviously deserves a big benefit for playing and winning tournaments than Nadal does for not playing at all).

Second, Federer had a longer start to his peak and is now been playing past his peak for awhile. If you compare "peak to peak" years (WB2003-WB2012 for Federer; FO2005-FO2013 to Nadal), you get this:

Federer: 37 possible tournaments, 17 titles, 7 finals, 8 semis, 3 quarters, 1 R4, 1 R3, 0 R2, 0 R1, 0 missed. 49,510 points earned out of a possible 74,000 (67%; 1,338 per tournament)

Nadal: 34 possible tournaments, 12 titles, 5 finals, 3 semis, 4 QF, 2 R4, 1 R3, 2 R2, 1 R1, 4 missed. 34,150 points earned out of 68,000 (50%; 1,004 per tournament).

If you ignore the tournaments Nadal missed (not sure why you would, but...)

Nadal: 30 tournaments entered, 12 titles, 5 finals, 3 semis, 4 QF, 2 R4, 1 R3, 2 R2, 1 R1, 4 missed. 34,150 points earned out of 60,000 (57%; 1,004 per tournament).

Still well-below Federer. So even if you ignore Nadal's biggest weakness (injuries), he's still hasn't been nearly as dominant as Federer, even though Federer has done it over a longer time and never missing tournaments.

 

[Cosmic_Colin]

Nadal actually has a better winning % than Fed in slams overall.

Skipped slams should count as a first round loss when it comes to winning percentage.

 

[beast of mallorca]

Yet the Federer fanatics fear Nadal like the devil fears holy water. If Federer really is THAT far ahead of Nadal, why the fuss?

A very insecure bunch, huh. That's all there is to it.

 

[tennis_badger]

interesting, thanks.
can you do joker as well?

 

[Towser83]

Never heard the percentage of points earned, well done thinking of that

 

[falstaff78]

Unbelievable/Unparalleled consistency of RFederer on every surface - One of the reasons why he was No. 1 for straight 237 weeks.
There is no shame in staying No. 2 behind such a player for straight 160 weeks.

I see what you did there. Haha! Very nice....

 

[tennis_pro]

Nadal actually has a better winning % than Fed in slams overall.

Maybe if he showed up like a man in the Slams he missed and lost early like he surely would he wouldn't be ahead of Federer who, in-form or out-of-form, healthy or injured, fresh or tired plays in every single Slam and never fails to lose before a certain stage.

 

[tennis_pro]

Skipped slams should count as a first round loss when it comes to winning percentage.

I agree. So once again Nadal does a combo of:
-skip AO
-win FO
-lose in 1st/2nd round of Wimbledon
-skip US

And his winning % in Slams for the year stands at 7/8 (or 8/9) which gives him a 87,5 winning % as compared to Federer who plays all 4 and loses, let's say, in the SF of all 4 meaning he has a 20/24 = 83,3% winning ratio.

 

[tennis_pro]

As far as I know, Rafa's winning % in slams is better than Fed's at any age.

Useless stat. Here's why:

Federer for this year's AO got a 5-1 win/loss ratio which is a 83,3 winning %. Nadal on the other hand was 0/0 = 100%, of course then he wins the FO (7/7) and dissapears for the rest of the season.

 

[mellowyellow]

So, anyone want to take a stab at who will have the highset win rate after retirement from regular tour in wheelchair tennis? Lol

 

[Nicholas Warino]

Don't know how to paste a table here, so here's a snapshot:

 

[Steve0904]

^Nope. I see a bunch of code.

 

[furryballs]

i see the table loud and clear..........fed leads by a good margin in all aspects as i expected.

 

[Nicholas Warino]

More stuff:

Here are two charts. The first one is cumulative career grand slam points earned by season for Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. The second is percentage of grand slam points won per season.

You can see Nadal and Djokovic got off too fast starts but Federer catches up and zooms past by season 8. Nadal is slowly slipping behind Federer's pace.

Federer had the biggest and so far longest peak.

 

[THE FIGHTER]

damn, this is actually impressive.

 

[6-3 6-0]

More stuff:

Here are two charts. The first one is cumulative career grand slam points earned by season for Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. The second is percentage of grand slam points won per season.

You can see Nadal and Djokovic got off too fast starts but Federer catches up and zooms past by season 8. Nadal is slowly slipping behind Federer's pace.

Federer had the biggest and so far longest peak.

Not surprised that RFederer tops those charts :twisted:

 

[Agassifan]

Since 1999, Federer has played in 56 out of 58 total grandslam tournaments (he lost in the qualifiers twice in 1999). There were 116,000 possible points to be earned, and Federer earned 52,900 (46%).

Since 2003, Nadal has played in 35 of 43 possible GS tournaments. There were 86,000 possible points, and Nadal earned 34,600 (40%).

Perhaps more revealingly is looking at their performance since they started resembling their peak form. So starting the clock from the year they won their first title (2003 for Federer and 2005 for Nadal), you get this:

Federer: 44 possible GS tournaments, 44 entered. 88,000 possible points, 51,140 earned (58%). That comes out to 1162 points per tournament...reaching the finals is worth 1200 points.

Nadal: 35 possible GS tournaments, 4 missed. 70,000 possible points, 34,330 entered (49%). That's an average of 980 points per tournament...SF is 720 points.

Also:

Consecutive GS titles:
Federer: 3 (twice)
Nadal: 3

Consecutive GS finals:
Federer: 10 (8 second best)
Nadal: 5 (3 is second best)

Consecutive GS SF:
Federer: 23
Nadal: 5 (twice)

Consecutive GS QF:
Federer: 36 (and counting)
Nadal: 11

Consecutive GS 4th Round:
Federer: 36 (and counting)
Nadal: 13

Consecutive GS 3rd Round:
Federer: 40 (and counting)
Nadal: 13

Consecutive GS 2nd Round:
Federer: 40 (and counting)
Nadal: 13

Consecutive GS Entered:
Federer: 52 (and counting)
Nadal: 13

Total GS titles:
Federer: 17
Nadal: 12

Total GS finals:
Federer: 24
Nadal: 17

Total GS SF:
Federer: 33
Nadal: 20

Total GS QF
Federer: 40
Nadal: 24

Total GS 4R:
Federer: 46
Nadal: 27

Total GS 3R:
Federer: 50
Nadal: 30

Total GS 2R:
Federer: 50
Nadal: 34

Total GS Entered:
Federer: 56
Nadal: 35

Nice. You should give 0 points to each of the slams missed and use that for a percentage also. If you duck, you pay.