Federer and Nadal draw in Indian Wells

Bender

G.O.A.T.
The reports are about extremely slow conditions and that both is a disadvantage for Federer and an advantage to Nadal.

Especially agains Wawa, when Wawa can set up for his shots Federer is in for a huge dogfight and I am not confident that he will come out on top in the end. Tiafoe is dangerous because he is playing on his own turf and can also bring physicality to a match, which against Federer, if Federer had a huge match with Wawa can play a role. His next opponent could be potentially easier than Nadal's, but by that time he might not be there or extremely vulnerable, if Cilic plays well.

Nadal has Schwarzmann, who can play a physical game, but he has no weapons, and Nadal is in great physical shape to be concerned for the later rounds. Then Goffin, who is also lost against a player with weapons (David and Diego are not close only in first names), and he doesn't even have the advantage of great fitness. Isner is a big deal though. He plays on his home turf and his serve does damage even on the slowest surfaces. The thing is that Nadal has a clear strategy there: if he manages to return well Isner has already lost in such conditions.

All in all, Federer has the harder draw, and I expect him to fall before he meets Nadal if his opponents play to their current known level. Nadal will cruise in the earlier rounds, but, depending on how far he wants to go, we might see an "upset" against Isner or a showdown against someone from the other side of the draw.

The big unknown are the young guns, who are very inconsistent in their form and can get hot or just totally disappoint in less than ideal conditions.

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I don't disagree with your analysis. In fact I am inclined to agree with you on most points.

That said I would mention a few things:
  • The surface may suit Wawrinka fairly well but Wawrinka has never beaten Fed on HCs (he did get pretty close on a few occasions), and has only beaten Fed like twice in 20 something meetings. He hasn't beaten Fed in a while either. Plus, Fed's meeting a Wawrinka who's still trying to mount a comeback after injury and perhaps more importantly early on in a tournament where he hasn't had the opportunity to build momentum.
  • I haven't been catching up with Goffin recently but Goffin is an underrated player IMO. IIRC the last time he played against Rafa on HCs he did win, although it was way back in 2017 when Goffin was in far better form, at the WTF, and Rafa withdrew with an injury after that match anyway. That said, Goffin, like Wawrinka, isn't in particularly great form either so tbh I don't expect Goffin to deliver an upset.
  • I agree that Tiafoe like the rest of the young guns is a bit of a wildcard, but if he does play well it is going to be tough for Fed.
  • Disagree re Schwartzman. The guy may be small and can play a physical game, but he can also really belt the ball (eg their last match at RG last year or their AO match). So he certainly does have the weapons although they admittedly aren't Wawrinka BH or Isner serve-tier weapons. I also have doubts that Diego would be able to deliver said weapons consistently enough to get the job done. That said, since IW is reportedly slow as molasses, this should work in Schwartzman's favour too as he does have the movement to maximise his court coverage, and give him time to take big swings at the ball the way he does best on clay or on surfaces playing close to clay (like IW reportedly is this year).
  • This assumes that everyone plays to their level (as does yours from what I can tell), of course. There is a possibility that Rafa gets chumps who play their best ever tennis, while Fed draws all the big guys who play like garbage, and / or vice versa.
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chut

Professional
Nishikori is no more dangerous than Isner, nor is Cilic based in current form (Cilic is out of the top 10 and losing early on every tournament). Nishikori has no weapons, at least Isner has the serve.

Wth are you talking about, Nishikori is a better player than Isner. Saying he has no weapon simply shows about a little you know about tennis
 

Atennisone

Hall of Fame
R2: They are both getting through, but qualifiers have bigger chances of upset, than the other 3.
R3: Wawrinka is not a threat to Federer atm, and Fucsovics will always choke if he plays a big match, and it can be discussed whether Harrison is a bigger threat.
R4: Federer's draw here is equal to his R1, while Nadal probably draws Medvedev, who were the closest to beat Djokovic at AO, and was basically very close to take him to 5 sets.
QF: Cilic is the only threat to Federer here, while Nadal may face Isner, who can beat almost anyone on a good day.
 
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Unfortunately, I don’t see Federer winning more important things than ATP 500s from now onwards.


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AndyM

Legend
I mean come on folks should a 38 year old keep winning till the end of time I mean what does that say about the state of tennis if this guy can't be be
 

moonballs

Hall of Fame
Cilic is also having his worst year I remember, so not particularly difficult. Shapovalov and Pouille are also easy.

Nadal has Isner in the QF, who is playing better than the above mentioned.
Objectively, Fed has two threats: Wawrinka and Cilic. Nadal has only one, Isner, who is weaker than either of Fed’s threats.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
Objectively, Fed has two threats: Wawrinka and Cilic. Nadal has only one, Isner, who is weaker than either of Fed’s threats.

Cilic is a newlywed, he has to take advantage of time with Kristina and, who knows, he wants to start a family in a short time.
he may be more relaxed than he should be.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Bionic Poster
Wawrinka is no joke but it's a lot better to draw him early than later. Meanwhile, Schwartzman is no HC master but he never gives Rafa an easy match.

Nishikori is like 1-9000 against the Big 4 but he can nonetheless be a PITA if he plays well, and Isner...while he has never beaten Nadal outside of exhibitions, he's not the kind of player that Nadal (or anyone for that matter) wants to play against...especially since Isner lives off tiebreaks and Nadal sucks at them.

Have some respect dude, it's 3-8998.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
Hoping to see Tsitsipas continuing on some good form. Considering that the conditions are slower, might not really favour him. A change from the big three to the young guys at a Masters level would be incredible.
They won't favor him in particular, but he was a really good clay court player last season and he's improved a lot since then, so he'll be fine on a slow court.
 
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