Federer and possible broken records?

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Even though, Roger Federer, already has an incomparable resume of records and streaks, what male tennis player records and streaks do you think he will not have when his career is over?

I think:

9 consecutive U.S. Open finals (previously, 8, Ivan Lendl)
7 consecutive years at #1 (previously, 6, Pete Sampras)
47 consecutive matches won (previously, 46, Guillermo Vilas)
106 or 110 tournaments won (previously, 109 or is it 105, Jimmy Connors)
30 consecutive grand slam matches won (previously 29, Rod Laver)
 
Even though, Roger Federer, already has an incomparable resume of records and streaks, what male tennis player records and streaks do you think he will not have when his career is over?

I think:

9 consecutive U.S. Open finals (previously, 8, Ivan Lendl)
7 consecutive years at #1 (previously, 6, Pete Sampras)
47 consecutive matches won (previously, 46, Guillermo Vilas)
106 or 110 tournaments won (previously, 109 or is it 105, Jimmy Connors)
30 consecutive grand slam matches won (previously 29, Rod Laver)


Here is what I expect:

6 consecutive USO finals
6 consecutive years at #1
50+ consecutive matches won (that might happen in March or April 2007)
30+ consecutive slams matches won
 
i think federer could shatter many records, but right now of what you said, breaking say 8 straight us open finals is pretty tough, as is jimmy connor's record of tournaments won

but winning 47 consecutive matches i dont think is impossible...he has gotten to like 35 or something, and if he wins the AO and RG this year, he will surely break the 30 straight grand slam record matches won, at wimbledon

that last one is a tough one, and although many think he will be #1 forever, i do think that being #1 for 6 yrs, or breaking sampras' record of 6 yrs, is very tough

its sort of unpredictable to who will emerge around 2008-2009

2005 was a great example of how tough it was to break john mcenroe's 82-3 season record, where federer came up 1 match short of tying that record

john mcenroe had a phenomenal 1984 and what would he speak of him if he had won the french and went on to win the AO at the end of the year

from what i know he did not play that AO because he had no shot of winning the grand slam....
 
Even though, Roger Federer, already has an incomparable resume of records and streaks, what male tennis player records and streaks do you think he will not have when his career is over?

I think:

9 consecutive U.S. Open finals (previously, 8, Ivan Lendl)
7 consecutive years at #1 (previously, 6, Pete Sampras)
47 consecutive matches won (previously, 46, Guillermo Vilas)
106 or 110 tournaments won (previously, 109 or is it 105, Jimmy Connors)
30 consecutive grand slam matches won (previously 29, Rod Laver)
Roger needs 6 more years with 10+ titles to reach Jimmy's record. I'm not seeing that happening. One "bad" year, with "only" 7 titles, and he has to make that up for the next one.
 
Roger needs 6 more years with 10+ titles to reach Jimmy's record. I'm not seeing that happening. One "bad" year, with "only" 7 titles, and he has to make that up for the next one.

Connors cleaned up on lots of little titles. I think the more imprtant record is Sampras combination of Slams + YEC + MS shields(14 + 5 + 11) = 30. Fed is very much in striking distance of that.
 
I think Federer's priorites are (not in any particular order):

1) consecutive years at #1
2) FO
3) No. of GS Titles

If he manages to do all 3, I believe he'd be considered as the outright GOAT, when he retires.


The other 'records' out there are, imo, to do with a little more luck.
 
I think Federer's priorites are (not in any particular order):

1) consecutive years at #1
2) FO
3) No. of GS Titles

If he manages to do all 3, I believe he'd be considered as the outright GOAT, when he retires.


The other 'records' out there are, imo, to do with a little more luck.

i agree. i can't wait for the day that he is the official GOAT.
team federer!
 
Yeah, I don't think Fed will suprass Connors record of 105 titles.

Like I said earlier, this is a dubious record. It's well known that Connors played everything back in the 70s just to make money. I bet Connors doesn't have as many "big" titles in his whole career as Fed has at 25 yo.
 
Like I said earlier, this is a dubious record. It's well known that Connors played everything back in the 70s just to make money. I bet Connors doesn't have as many "big" titles in his whole career as Fed has at 25 yo.

I guess you don't consider 5 US Opens(open era record) & 2 Wimbledons to count as "big titles?"

I know you were only born in 1976, but you should do some research before coming to such a conclusion.

Pro tennis was very different in the 70s, very disorganized with its governing bodies, politics, etc.

Connors actually didn't play that many events during his prime years, like a Davydenko or Robredo does today or a Vilas did in the past

His schedule was about quality, not quantity. His win % was great, from 1973 to 1979 he won 73 events, averaging 8 wins a year for 7 years(which Federer is certainly capable of) Connors only played around 18 events a year then.
The rest of his 109 titles were acquired just by the fact that he played for so long at a high level, winning his last title in 1989.
And even if was playing only for money(which he wasn't as you can see by his schedule), I wouldn't blame him, prize money was only starting to become big then, you would be a fool not to chase dollars. Players couldn't afford to
be "fatigued" like Federer has been twice this year. If a top player in the 70s actually said that publicly, they would have been considered less than a man by the rest of the tour.

The 3 most important events in those days were the US Open, Wimbledon, & the WCT Dallas event. The Australian was a non-event & the French wasn't highly regarded either(even by the French, attendance was so poor in the early 70s)
There were no "masters series," but there were many big money events that attracted the best players. Probably most watched match of 1975(not just in the US) was a winner take all million dollar match in Las Vegas between Newcombe & Connors. It wasn't just an exhibition(you can see that it got the cover of SI) but significant in many tennis analysts' minds in determing who the best player in the world was at the time.

The standards of all time greats are constantly changing, it seems absurd to put down players of the past because they didn't get a chance to play the Masters Series(only created in 1990) Why not put down todays players for not playing the now non-existent Dallas WCT event while you're at it?

It was as big an event as was possible in the 70s for prestige, etc. And most fans today have no clue of it.

Newcombe (a 7 time slam winner) called his 1975 Dallas win the biggest win of his career.
 
^^^^ I think it's pretty safe to say that pro level tennis wasn't nearly as grueling in the 70's as it is now.
Probably not as grueling, but those clay battles lasted 5 sets, countless hours, and scores like 8-6 or 9-7, day in and day out.
Nadal and Coria were extremely fatigued in their Roma final, while Borg played for 3 hours pretty often (well.... when he wasn't dominating with bagels and stuff, of course) :mrgreen:
 
Even though, Roger Federer, already has an incomparable resume of records and streaks, what male tennis player records and streaks do you think he will not have when his career is over?

Incomparable? Layoff the hyperbole, eh?

I can see him beating Sampras's number one ranking related records. I can see him winning the all match winning streak records. I don't think he's gonna break the tournaments won record of Connors, or the USO win record.
 
Moose,

Great post. I'm always impressed by your posts, and usually learn something from them (although this one I remembered from prior posts by you, similar points).

This shows how difficult it is to compare accross generations. But I do think that the first step is to understand tennis-wise meaningful time-periods, during which things were approximately the same (not "decades"; that's arbitrary) in terms of which events were the most important. Then, it seems the way to try to start comparing players historically is to compare them vs. the field in terms of their accomplishments, relative to the time they were in, and how important those things were back then.

Although I do think that, despite importance of the time, demonstrating versatility is important. Federer is already one of the greatest of all time; however, winning the FO would demonstrate a diversity of talent that would significantly augment his achievements.
 
Moose,

Great post. I'm always impressed by your posts, and usually learn something from them (although this one I remembered from prior posts by you, similar points).

thanks. check out the tennisweek website, they have an alltime tournament of champions voted on by some pretty informed panelists. They picked Federer as the winner(& gave him the #1 seed!)
That's enough for me to give him the nod for GOAT(which still sounds like a silly title to me), not that I needed convincing, winning 3 slams twice in a year, the #1 streak, etc is all quite remarkable(with no signs of slowing down)

I have no problem with the adulation heaped on Federer, but I don't understand why so many have to put down other past greats & their achievements while doing so-like Connors in this thread, Laver in some other threads as well, Sampras in too many to count.

Federer has too much class to ever do something like that. Too bad many of his fans can't emulate him.

One Federer stat that stands out to me is how few sets he's lost in winning his 9 slams. When you compare Laver, Connors, Borg, Sampras, Mac, etc you see that they were pushed to 4/5 sets so often in the slams they won.
That Federer can not just win, but win convincingly, so many slams is virtually unprecedented in mens tennis in any era.
 
Roger has a long way to go still....I think French Open should be his priority to win, that would be something to remember. :D
 
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