Ok. Lets discuss who was better overallWho dominated is an easy question. There's no debate about that.
If you want to ask who was better overall, there's at least a discussion to be had.
That's not that obvious.Obvioulsy, Djoker still has some chances.
From federers perspective 2009 loss had the most impact as a win would mean surely 6th title. That match he should have won. He was so dominating 1 and half sets. Then he let off the gas.Federer for sure but he has more frustrating losses here than anywhere else
2010/11 to Djoko were awful bc MP, but not Fs
2009 awful bc would have been 6 consecutive
But the worst was 2014. He would've faced Nishikori in the F, which would have basically been a walkover for him and a 6th US/18th major at the time. He went four seasons without a Slam
Bro was gonna play until the end of time to drag himself to a 4th title just to say he matched RafaFederer clearly. I don't really care how much Djokovic has inflated his stats due to lack of competition.
Adjusted for epic kit inflation he isSo Nadal is no longer the US Open GOAT?
Never was never will be.So Nadal is no longer the US Open GOAT?
I’m happy with him getting 4 tooNever was never will be.
Guy is very happy with somehow getting 4. That's it. Let's not even make jokes on this.
Idk, I think Ultronians strive for the bottom lol why should we deny them?I find it funny that Fed’s 5 straight wins is dismissed by many. That’s clearly agenda-driven. I’ve seen people downplay the CYGS as well, which is absolutely unbelievable. We will see all fan bases downplay great achievements to suit their own purposes. That’s disappointing. No one fan base is better than the other.
Federer dominance is unparalleled at usopen.I find it funny that Fed’s 5 straight wins is dismissed by many. That’s clearly agenda-driven. I’ve seen people downplay the CYGS as well, which is absolutely unbelievable. We will see all fan bases downplay great achievements to suit their own purposes. That’s disappointing. No one fan base is better than the other.
I would say Djokovic is better than fed at usopen. This is not wimby like to me.
Problem is this is disputable. Djokovic needs 1 more usopen to be ahead without much dispute, if he does, then done.
Fed had higher peak vs slightly weaker opposition , Novak mostly battled vs Fedal + he was political banned for one edition and disqualified from another.Who dominated more at US Open
Federer : 5 titles all conseuctive
Djokovic: 4 titles
Finals
Federer: 7 finals
Djokovic: 10 finals
H2H
3:3
Federer won from 2007-2009
Djokovic won at 2010-2011 , 2015 ( saved mp in the first two wins)
Yes absolutely. Because it's not 1 is to 1 comparison.So 5 is greater than 5 consecutive?
What are those obvious reasons you speak of?I put him ahead of Sampras and Connors for obvious reasons.
It is not as of now. Fed is better due to 5> 4Djokovic moderately better longevity, Fed massively better peak. Probably better consistency too tbh considering the sheer volume of poor losses Djokovic had in the middle of his prime at the US Open.
Fed also had stronger competition across the board (Djokovic’s 2011 win was an outlier, not the norm for his wins), was more dominant at his peak, and continued to threaten prime Djokovic at that Slam even well after his own prime had ended. His three wins over a non-prime Djokovic were all relatively straightforward (slight exception for 2007) whereas all of Djokovic’s wins over a non-prime Federer were extremely close affairs involving multiple critical BP/MP saves and even a 2-0 set deficit in one case.
This should not be a super difficult question.
A hypothetical peak-for-peak match would not be close enough for the clutch factor to be a factor.Federer by success, Djokovic by longevity.
Hypothetical match: Djokovic, because he has a more dominant mentality than Federer. Federer can't get out of situations that go bad for him, Novak can.
I agree, it is very possible that Novak would have solved it much easier.A hypothetical peak-for-peak match would not be close enough for the clutch factor to be a factor.
Federer is the GOAT of USO, let's be real. No one is beating him there, as much as I hate to say it
The idea that Fed would just choke any close match is stupid as well.A hypothetical peak-for-peak match would not be close enough for the clutch factor to be a factor.