Federer at US open vs Djokovic at US Open

roysid

Legend
Who dominated more at US Open
Federer : 5 titles all conseuctive
Djokovic: 4 titles

Finals
Federer: 7 finals
Djokovic: 10 finals

H2H
3:3
Federer won from 2007-2009
Djokovic won at 2010-2011 , 2015 ( saved mp in the first two wins)
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
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Sport

G.O.A.T.
Federer is the Open Era US Open GOAT.

5 consecutive USO titles.
5 > 4.

The only department where Novak surpasses Federer at the USO is in longevity, which isn't that difficult considering Fererer won his last USO aged merely 28.

US Open 2023: Novak won the title aged 36, avenging the previous year defeat at the hands of Medvedev.

US Open 2015: Federer aged 34 lost the final against Novak.

36 is older than 34.

Federer never reached the USO final aged 35+, unlike Novak, so even the "but Novak didn't face two younger ATGs" argument doesn't justify the fact that Novak possesses a superior longevity at the USO. Federer was injured at the back the second half of 2016 and didn't even participate at the USO. The ability to avoid injuries at a late stage of your career is indeed a crucial part of longevity.
 
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Robert F

Hall of Fame
I'm still amazed that both of these guys never snagged another US Open title.
Obvioulsy, Djoker still has some chances.

What's made it harder to get further on?
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Federer for sure but he has more frustrating losses here than anywhere else

2010/11 to Djoko were awful bc MP, but not Fs

2009 awful bc would have been 6 consecutive

But the worst was 2014. He would've faced Nishikori in the F, which would have basically been a walkover for him and a 6th US/18th major at the time. He went four seasons without a Slam
 

roysid

Legend
Federer for sure but he has more frustrating losses here than anywhere else

2010/11 to Djoko were awful bc MP, but not Fs

2009 awful bc would have been 6 consecutive

But the worst was 2014. He would've faced Nishikori in the F, which would have basically been a walkover for him and a 6th US/18th major at the time. He went four seasons without a Slam
From federers perspective 2009 loss had the most impact as a win would mean surely 6th title. That match he should have won. He was so dominating 1 and half sets. Then he let off the gas.

2010 - he was probably relieved to have lost as Nadal was rampaging that year.

2011 - Had he won djokovic gets 1 slam less. But Nadal would have been favorite in final.

2014 - yes he would have won vs nishikori but he didnt much chance in the semis. Its was not mp away or 2 points away
 
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BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
Federer's 5 titles surpass Djokovic's 4.

However, being consecutive doesn't mean much. It means you were more dominant at your best but less good at your worst (IF you had the same amount overall, which isn't the case here).

Winning 4 in a row isn't better than winning one when you are 18, one at 22, one at 26 and one at 30.


If Player A wins Wimbledon, RG and US Open in the same year and nothing else the rest of his career is he better than Player B winning US Open a certain year, Wimbledon two years later and RG three years later? Don't see a reason to say so. One is more dominant one has better longevity. Can make a case for either.
 

zakopinjo

Professional
Federer by success, Djokovic by longevity.

Hypothetical match: Djokovic, because he has a more dominant mentality than Federer. Federer can't get out of situations that go bad for him, Novak can.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
I would say Djokovic is better than fed at usopen. This is not wimby like to me.

Problem is this is disputable. Djokovic needs 1 more usopen to be ahead without much dispute, if he does, then done.
 

Neptune

Hall of Fame
Achievement

No.1 factor: the Establishment
Highly effective at helping a vulture in a weak era or undermining a dominator in a strong era.
Can nearly dictate Rock-Paper-Scissors outcomes (33-33-33) to 100-50-0 in their desired way.

No.2 factor: the Competition
 

Pheasant

Legend
I find it funny that Fed’s 5 straight wins is dismissed by many. That’s clearly agenda-driven. I’ve seen people downplay the CYGS as well, which is absolutely unbelievable. We will see all fan bases downplay great achievements to suit their own purposes. That’s disappointing. No one fan base is better than the other.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I find it funny that Fed’s 5 straight wins is dismissed by many. That’s clearly agenda-driven. I’ve seen people downplay the CYGS as well, which is absolutely unbelievable. We will see all fan bases downplay great achievements to suit their own purposes. That’s disappointing. No one fan base is better than the other.
Idk, I think Ultronians strive for the bottom lol why should we deny them? ;)
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
I find it funny that Fed’s 5 straight wins is dismissed by many. That’s clearly agenda-driven. I’ve seen people downplay the CYGS as well, which is absolutely unbelievable. We will see all fan bases downplay great achievements to suit their own purposes. That’s disappointing. No one fan base is better than the other.
Federer dominance is unparalleled at usopen.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Djokovic never dominated the USO and shockingly never defended a title there so that's easily Federer. Who's better? Both are behind Sampras imo. Maybe it's as simple as 5 > 4, but Djokovic had much better longevity winning titles across 13 years like Sampras, when Federer had an extreme dominance but only won his titles across 5 years. So who's better can be argued either way.
 

Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
1 more title and it would be Djokovic. He has more finals, more wins, better longevity. Plus he was banned in 2022 and illegally defaulted by a corrupt referee in 2020... There would be no debate.

Obviously, as long as it's 5>4 and with a H2H of 3-3, Federer has the advantage. Hard to argue against this.
And yeah, I think Djokovic is done with the USO. He has more chances in the other 3 Slams at this point.
So... Federer is the USO Goat today, I think we can all agree (Open Era). I put him ahead of Sampras and Connors for obvious reasons.
 

Genie Of the Bank

Hall of Fame
Who dominated more at US Open
Federer : 5 titles all conseuctive
Djokovic: 4 titles

Finals
Federer: 7 finals
Djokovic: 10 finals

H2H
3:3
Federer won from 2007-2009
Djokovic won at 2010-2011 , 2015 ( saved mp in the first two wins)
Fed had higher peak vs slightly weaker opposition , Novak mostly battled vs Fedal + he was political banned for one edition and disqualified from another.

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nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
So 5 is greater than 5 consecutive?
Yes absolutely. Because it's not 1 is to 1 comparison.

Djokovic is vastly superior than fed to go deeper in AO. So YES. When added with 10 finals then yes.

Now without that, 5 consecutive is superior.

Hope that answers the question.

Fed legacy is only safe at Wimbledon.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic moderately better longevity, Fed massively better peak. Probably better consistency too tbh considering the sheer volume of poor losses Djokovic had in the middle of his prime at the US Open.

Fed also had stronger competition across the board (Djokovic’s 2011 win was an outlier, not the norm for his wins), was more dominant at his peak, and continued to threaten prime Djokovic at that Slam even well after his own prime had ended. His three wins over a non-prime Djokovic were all relatively straightforward (slight exception for 2007) whereas all of Djokovic’s wins over a non-prime Federer were extremely close affairs involving multiple critical BP/MP saves and even a 2-0 set deficit in one case.

This should not be a super difficult question.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Djokovic moderately better longevity, Fed massively better peak. Probably better consistency too tbh considering the sheer volume of poor losses Djokovic had in the middle of his prime at the US Open.

Fed also had stronger competition across the board (Djokovic’s 2011 win was an outlier, not the norm for his wins), was more dominant at his peak, and continued to threaten prime Djokovic at that Slam even well after his own prime had ended. His three wins over a non-prime Djokovic were all relatively straightforward (slight exception for 2007) whereas all of Djokovic’s wins over a non-prime Federer were extremely close affairs involving multiple critical BP/MP saves and even a 2-0 set deficit in one case.

This should not be a super difficult question.
It is not as of now. Fed is better due to 5> 4

Djokovic is not moderately better longevity. That is another buzzword. The guy played USO finals 16 years apart. Fed did so 11 years apart playing 3 less finals.

Only rival to Nole for longevity is Sampras and Connors. Not fed.
 
Fed dominated a more condensed period but he loses points also after never winning it after 27 years old. That’s the main reason he isn’t GOAT now as well. Lack of US opens
After 2008 as that should have been a slam he dominated as much or more than Wimbledon
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
Are people really still crying about the 2020 default and the 2022 ban? Both of those situations are on Joker. He had been skating on think ice for years at that point and was lucky he wasn’t defaulted more times in his career. As for 2022, he knew well in advance that he wouldn’t be able to play without being vaccinated. It’s not like the rug was pulled out from under his feet at the last minute.
 
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