Federer - Bagels Against Rivals - Murray Toughest to Dominate

[McEnroeisanartist]

# of Bagels that Federer has given to the following rivals (defined as players who finished a year in the top 3 from 2003-2012)

Hewitt - 5
Roddick - 2
Ferrero - 0 (4 Breadsticks)
Murray - 0 (1 Breadstick)
Nadal - 3
Djokovic - 1
Davydenko - 1

Interesting that Murray has been perhaps the toughest opponent for Federer to dominate for one set.

 

[tennisaddict]

# of Bagels that Federer has given to the following rivals (defined as players who finished a year in the top 3 from 2003-2012)

Hewitt - 5
Roddick - 2
Ferrero - 0 (4 Breadsticks)
Murray - 0 (1 Breadstick)
Nadal - 3
Djokovic - 1
Davydenko - 1

Interesting that Murray has been perhaps the toughest opponent for Federer to dominate for one set.

Very interesting. Shows the dominance Fed has.

What are the reverse stats of them against Fed ?

 

[TheAnty-vic]

^Definitely GOAT stuff!

 

[McEnroeisanartist]

Very interesting. Shows the dominance Fed has.

What are the reverse stats of them against Fed ?

Federer has only once been bageled by all of those players combined. We all know when that occasion was.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Federer has only once been bageled by all of those players combined. We all know when that occasion was.

Sheesh, it was once, no need to frown. Nadal is a great tennis player. You Federer fans literally want him to be PERFECT. I just don't get it. I became a Nadal fan for the exact opposite reason, it was clear that he wasn't but he has heart.

 

[Who Am I?]

^ Welcome back.

 

[MichaelNadal]

^ Welcome back.

Thanks man. Hey, what did Clarky do?

 

[Rock Strongo]

Look who's back! It's been a while!

 

[Steve0904]

Sheesh, it was once, no need to frown. Nadal is a great tennis player. You Federer fans literally want him to be PERFECT. I just don't get it. I became a Nadal fan for the exact opposite reason, it was clear that he wasn't but he has heart.

I know right? It is pretty good to only be bageled by all those players once though.

Welcome back btw.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Look who's back! It's been a while!

I know right? It is pretty good to only be bageled by all those players once though.

Welcome back btw.

 

[THE FIGHTER]

i think other top players become angry and lose focus just from the sight of his smug mug and mopey, bellyaching mannerisms.

 

[helloworld]

Worthless stat. What's Nadal's H2H vs Federer?

 

[Chanwan]

# of Bagels that Federer has given to the following rivals (defined as players who finished a year in the top 3 from 2003-2012)

Hewitt - 5
Roddick - 2
Ferrero - 0 (4 Breadsticks)
Murray - 0 (1 Breadstick)
Nadal - 3
Djokovic - 1
Davydenko - 1

Interesting that Murray has been perhaps the toughest opponent for Federer to dominate for one set.

Throw in Agassi and Delpo for good measure - they both belong to his rivals even though they don't meet the criteria:
Agassi (1)
Delpo (3)
And while I'm at it,
Nalby (2)
Safin (0 - 2 breadsticks)
(and none of them has bageled Federer)
Murray remains the toughest to bagel or breadstick for Fed

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Worthless stat. What's Nadal's H2H vs Federer?

24-10 http://www.tennisexplorer.com/mutual/federer/nadal/

 

[Magnus]

Worthless stat. What's Nadal's H2H vs Federer?

That H2H is just as worthless.

 

[Chanwan]

What do these stats tell us?
That Fed in full flight is capable of bageling anyone safe Murray, Ferrero and Safin.
And that he himself is very hard to bagel, probably partly because he's got such a great hold game.

 

[jg153040]

What do these stats tell us?
That Fed in full flight is capable of bageling anyone safe Murray, Ferrero and Safin.
And that he himself is very hard to bagel, probably partly because he's got such a great hold game.

So, this means great servers are hard to bagel.

Was Karlovic bageled?

And Fed almost bagel Murray at USO 2008. He was leading 5-0 in the third set. But I guess he started to celebrate too early in his head and choked.

 

[Steve0904]

So, this means great servers are hard to bagel.

Was Karlovic bageled?

And Fed almost bagel Murray at USO 2008. He was leading 5-0 in the third set. But I guess he started to celebrate too early in his head and choked.

Karlovic has been bageled twice as far as I can tell.

By Olivier Mutis in 2000, and Nicholas Keifer in 2004.

He's also been breadsticked twice each by Monfils and Petzschner, and twice by Nadal, and he actually went aceless against Monfils in one of their matches.

And just FYI, Isner has been bageled once, Wimbledon 2010 2nd round, and we all know what match that came after.

 

[NatF]

Poor Hewitt, Federer used to bagel him for fun in 2004.

 

[sbengte]

So, this means great servers are hard to bagel.

Was Karlovic bageled?

It will be more interesting to see Sampras' bagel statistics against his rivals (given and received).

Fed bagelled Djoko only once ?! So this was the one in Cincy 2012. Really surprising that the bagel came when Fed was post prime and Djoko was a multi slam champ whereas they faced each other a lot even when Djoko was a lesser player.

Also Fed bagelled Nadal once on each surface ? I thought he bagelled Nadal another time on hard apart from 2011 WTF. (OP says 3 to Nadal)

 

[jg153040]

Karlovic has been bageled twice as far as I can tell.

By Olivier Mutis in 2000, and Nicholas Keifer in 2004.

He's also been breadsticked twice each by Monfils and Petzschner, and twice by Nadal, and he actually went aceless against Monfils in one of their matches.

And just FYI, Isner has been bageled once, Wimbledon 2010 2nd round, and we all know what match that came after.

But still, it seems that great servers are tougher to bagel in general. And that was my point.

 

[Steve0904]

Throw in Agassi and Delpo for good measure - they both belong to his rivals even though they don't meet the criteria:
Agassi (1)
Delpo (3)
And while I'm at it,
Nalby (2)
Safin (0 - 2 breadsticks)
(and none of them has bageled Federer)
Murray remains the toughest to bagel or breadstick for Fed

He's also bageled Blake 3 times. Doesn't meet the criteria, but just FYI.

 

[Steve0904]

But still, it seems that great servers are tougher to bagel in general. And that was my point.

Yes, of course.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Karlovic has been bageled twice as far as I can tell.

By Olivier Mutis in 2000, and Nicholas Keifer in 2004.

He's also been breadsticked twice each by Monfils and Petzschner, and twice by Nadal, and he actually went aceless against Monfils in one of their matches.

And just FYI, Isner has been bageled once, Wimbledon 2010 2nd round, and we all know what match that came after.

I thought Karlovic has been bageled by Schwank as well at the FO. Will double check.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Karlovic bageled by Davydenko and Schwank as well.
Didn't find the Mutis match, i think u are mistaken.

Surprisingly, Karlovic did bagel some players as well, Sela on hardcourt, Bogomolov on grass, Petzschner on clay ( ) and a couple of others indoors.

 

[Steve0904]

Karlovic bageled by Davydenko and Schwank as well.
Didn't find the Mutis match, i think u are mistaken.

Surprisingly, Karlovic did bagel some players as well, Sela on hardcourt, Bogomolov on grass, Petzschner on clay ( ) and a couple of others indoors.

It wasn't on the ATP world tour, so it doesn't really "count", but here it is anyway.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=K336&oId=M640

 

[jg153040]

Karlovic bageled by Davydenko and Schwank as well.
Didn't find the Mutis match, i think u are mistaken.

Surprisingly, Karlovic did bagel some players as well, Sela on hardcourt, Bogomolov on grass, Petzschner on clay ( ) and a couple of others indoors.

Didn't Davy also bagel Nadal? Davy is a beast.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

It wasn't on the ATP world tour, so it doesn't really "count", but here it is anyway.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=K336&oId=M640

thanks, sometimes Tennisexplorer is missing some matches http://www.tennisexplorer.com/player/karlovic/?annual=all even though they mention everything, challengers, futures...

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Didn't Davy also bagel Nadal? Davy is a beast.

No he didn't, Nadal bageled Davy in Doha (but lost), you might be mixing up with Colonel

 

[Steve0904]

Didn't Davy also bagel Nadal? Davy is a beast.

No, Davydenko got bageled by Nadal. The opposite of what you're saying.

 

[moonballs]

But still, it seems that great servers are tougher to bagel in general. And that was my point.

Roddick has a great serve I thought

 

[jg153040]

No he didn't, Nadal bageled Davy in Doha (but lost), you might be mixing up with Colonel

I guess my memory is poor. I thought they both bageled each other in this match.

I have no idea why my memory was so skewed .

But still. This proves how Davy mentally owns Rafa. Even with a bagel up, Rafa still couldn't win.

 

[6-1 6-3 6-0]

Federer has only once been bageled by all of those players combined. We all know when that occasion was.

When was it?

 

[MonkeyBoy]

Am I wrong in thinking Fed has only been bagled once in the 21st century?

 

[sam_p]

And yet Nadal owns him nonetheless....

 

[Day Tripper]

This is an interesting stat. What we can take from it is that Federer's peak level of play is extremely high.

I have always maintained that one of the defining aspects of Federer's play that makes him the GOAT is that his peak level of play - 'god mode' as some have coined it is significantly higher than any other player in the open era. In this way he is very similar to Jordan. There are now a few NBA players who have superior stats to Jordan but very few are willing to waver in their view that Jordan is the GOAT - IMO that is due to teh 'peak performance' aspect. Jordan's god mode is significantly higer than James, Bryant etc.

The number of times Federer has bageled high calibre opponents (compared to his other rivals) would seem to support this view.

His performance against Hewitt at the 2004 US Open Final where he achieved a double bagel against a player who hadn't lost a set all tournament is IMO the single greatest performance by a male tennis player in the open era.