Federer can win 21 at W

duaneeo

Legend
Yeah true. They were years where Novak did choke a lot I agree. I just think in the very close matches and in the big points situation Fed has got the most nervous out of the big 3.
But we're talking young, peak Djokovic. Even with Nadal hampered during parts of 2012/2013/2014, Nole failed to maintain the dominance of 2011...allowing Federer to temporarily retain the #1 ranking in 2012, Nadal to be the YE#1 in 2013 (even without playing the AO), and Murray, Wawrinka, and Cilic to become slam winners.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Professional
No tired player can play at the level he played taking it to 12-12 fifth set tie break. He choked that match, every tie break he tightened up, while Djokovic knuckled down and refused to miss. Also, Djokovic was fighting a very pro-Federer crowd who were willing him to lose.
A very objective assessment.

By the same measure, would you say Novak choked the RG final in 2020?

I mean what kind of warrior gets bageled in a final his own coach says is his to lose?
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Yeah that’s true. I agree that age went against him here a bit too.
And another thing that contributed to the Wimb loss is Djokovic not making it to Fed in 2017. Had Fed recorded a win over him then, he could have received enough confidence to do better in the Wimb final. At this level, any win can do wonders when you're on a losing streak. And Fed would have been the favorite at IW and Wimb in 2017 and both times Novak didn't make it to him.

This way, Novak got to keep his mental edge against Fed and Fed entered the Wimb final with no recent wins over him.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
40/1, that would be £4000 return. Not sure I’m that big a gambler haha. Maybe worth a £10 or a couple of free bet.

He certainly had Nadal troubled for a couple of sets, would have been an interesting match if he managed to take that first set.
Thing is that match showed he has the game to win the FO as he had Rafa troubled. Sinner and Alcaraz and Musetti will dominate the FO after Rafa.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
The truths are there - Federer is a superior grass court player and always has been. However, 2019 was Djokovic playing at his B game and Federer pulling off what was realistically as good as can be expected from him these days. Sure, Federer has his chances to beat Djokovic, but no way will it be a straight set beatdown, and it heavily relies on what condition Djokovic comes into the match in.

Realistically speaking, a Federer-Djokovic match at Wimbledon if both are playing decently should probably be a 4-set encounter for Novak at this stage in both their careers.
WTF a few months later suggesta otherwise. Federer served poorly at W2019.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
It was trashy crowd and they got what they deserved at the end, hold nothing against Fed on that though.



Ah no, choking cannot be quantified in just one way, choking can also be playing freely and within yourself for most of the match, and then tightening up to such a level that you impair your own ability to keep the ball in play in simple rally stroke during very key points in the match, such as BPs, SPs and tie breaks. Federer tightened up in each of the three tie breaks, that looks like a choke to me.

And yes, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have all done it in slam finals.
No. Professional players have defined choking as i have described it. You are describing nervousness. That is normal at big moments. Choking is more like Djokovic FO 2020 first w sets or USO 2013 1st set.
Sorry but with respect i wonder how many live matches you have been to asWimbledon crowds are never trashy. Djokovic was not booed or insulted. Federer just had support. The problem is Team Djokovic is a bit soft and whinge too much. A trashy crowd is what i witnessed in Paris when Hingis played Graf one year.
I remember Djokovics wife moaning about the crowd when Murray schooled him in 2013. I was there. It was not even that vocal a crowd. Yes it was pro murray but at no stage was it raucous or unfair.
You should go to a Davis Cup match in Buenos Aires. Now that is hostile.
 

daphne

Professional
Being 40-15 with 2 match points while serving for the match is not "7.7%" chance. Federer was 99.99% sure Wimbledon champion last year at 40-15 and only a god-like passing shot from Djokovic saved the Serbian. I bet 99% of tennis viewers already assumed Federer was the champion when he was serving at 40-15. What happened later is a miracle.

Federer is the second favorite to win Wimbledon. 20% chances at the very least.
The wonky knee would take the trophy for him for sure.
 
And another thing that contributed to the Wimb loss is Djokovic not making it to Fed in 2017. Had Fed recorded a win over him then, he could have received enough confidence to do better in the Wimb final. At this level, any win can do wonders when you're on a losing streak. And Fed would have been the favorite at IW and Wimb in 2017 and both times Novak didn't make it to him.

This way, Novak got to keep his mental edge against Fed and Fed entered the Wimb final with no recent wins over him.
True. Which is why I was pleased Novak retired against berd man in quarters. As like you said it preserved that H2H and mental edge.
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
A lot of stars need to be aligned
1) Djokovic down : Like in 2016 and 2017 he is cut short in earlier rounds
2) Beat the others : Loss to Raonic and Anderson or similar players must be avoided.

3,) Remain fully fit
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
Strange ly, people forget Nadal.
He was very very close in 2018. Tw match could have gone either way .

Fed played some great tennis in 2019 against Nadal to beat him. Nobody knows had it been Nadal in final
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Are the stars aligned. 2021 and Federer to get no.21 at Wimbledon his beloved event.
You just know he wants to right the wrong of 2019.
Anyone know the odds? Could be worth a punt.
I doubt there's even a theoretical chance at this point. Guy had two surgeries and lost a lot of muscle mass on his legs, not sure he can even play BO5.
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
Only if he has a 2:0 set lead and is leading 5:1 40:0 with serve in the 3rd.

But maybe not even then lol.
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
A 0.1% chance is still a chance. +1200 is equivalent to a 7.7% chance. Feels high to me, but not ridiculously so. Might be worth a little scratch.
No, it's not, his chances are only 2nd to Djokovic, and above that of Nadal. It actually seems low to me. I'd put it in the mid teens.

Remember the Alamo, yeh, 40-15! (I forgot, Swiss don't have Alamos!)
 

gn

G.O.A.T.
LOL, apdi podu machi, super post! :-D (y)
It's not impossible if he remains healthy. He knows it's his lastest last chance.
Evanavadhu Ultrona thookita, Federer has 100% chance. But even now it looks like Fed is the only one who could do that on Grass.
 
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Deleted member 744633

Guest
It's not impossible if he remains healthy. He knows it's his lastest last chance.
Evanavadhu Ultrona thookita, Federer has 100% chance. But even now it looks like Fed is the only one who could do that on Grass.
Kandippa machan. Federer fans kannil Djokovic oru porambokku. Anda koodi baadu illai enral, Federer easy innum 2 slams kandippa win seiyya mudiyum especailly at Wimbledon (y)
 

OhYes

Legend
He "can" but he won't.
Fast surface at AO has proven that some players can do great on theme even though they have been perceived as slow surface players.
Besides, even if Novak wouldn't participate, it would still be difficult for Roger to win Wimbledon.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Fed played some great tennis in 2019 against Nadal to beat him. Nobody knows had it been Nadal in final
I’m not understanding this logic since Fed beat Rafa comfortably in the semis 7-6, 1-6, 6-3, 6-4. Fed has owned Rafa since 2013, there would have been no mental issues with Fed delivering a near-identical score line in the final.
 
I’m not understanding this logic since Fed beat Rafa comfortably in the semis 7-6, 1-6, 6-3, 6-4. Fed has owned Rafa since 2013, there would have been no mental issues with Fed delivering a near-identical score line in the final.
Winning the first set on a tie-breaker and losing the second 6-1 is not what I call a comfortable win.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
I think he has it in him if everything goes right for him. But it’s gonna be really really tough. Djoker will be a big favorite followed by Rafa. But past those two, most everyone else sucks on grass.
 
I think he has it in him if everything goes right for him. But it’s gonna be really really tough. Djoker will be a big favorite followed by Rafa. But past those two, most everyone else sucks on grass.
I don’t see it personally. 2019 was his last chance and he blew it.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Fed on one knee vs Djoko 6-7 4-6 3-6 did much better than peak 25 yr old. I'd say Fed is still game.

Old man has a "countdown" for Doha. Pretty sure he has one for SW19.
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
I’m not understanding this logic since Fed beat Rafa comfortably in the semis 7-6, 1-6, 6-3, 6-4. Fed has owned Rafa since 2013, there would have been no mental issues with Fed delivering a near-identical score line in the final.
The logic is that ... doesn't mean Nadal is not a big threat.

Game wise he is equal big threat to Fed as Djokovic. It's the mental wise thats where Fed is weaker against Djokovic.
Note: Fed was also weaker mentally against Nadal once but in AO 2017 final Fed overcame that.
And their good relationship helped imo.


In w19 semis, fed was clutch against Nadal in important points. First set tiebreaker, then while serving for the match he faced breakpoint but wiped off.
The reverse occured with Djokovic.


So Nadal is also a threat, the no. 2 threat at Wimbledon
 

nam416

New User
Sampras is 14 - 4 and Borg is 11 - 5

Pete's losses include 3 at USO, 92 to Edberg, 00 to Safin, 01 to Hewitt, and AO 95 to Agassi

Borg has 4 loses at USO, two to Connor and two to McEnroe, he also lost W 81 to Mac too. Mac was 3-1 in slam finals against Borg.
What do you guys think Borg's chances would have been in those USO finals, had he not been contractually obligated to play with a racket different from his usual one? Methinks that contributed bigly to his bad luck at USO...
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
What do you guys think Borg's chances would have been in those USO finals, had he not been contractually obligated to play with a racket different from his usual one? Methinks that contributed bigly to his bad luck at USO...
He made four finals, losing them to ATG who both thrived in NYC as the nation's homegrown champs. It was more about where Borg's head was when he played there, I mean the guy did not want the flood lights on once, wanted to pkay in the dark because he was so on edge there.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
If he gets a wide open draw and another chipmunk in the final, then yabsolutely
 
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