Federer confirmed for Hopman Cup 2019

BVSlam

Professional
Aren't those contracts more along the lines of "If I'm still playing then, I'll play", so it's basically the guarantee he won't play Vienna.
Well I suppose they maybe generally sign 3-year contracts, as he did renew it before the start of 2017 I believe? So yeah, you're probably right.

In any case, leaving aside the matter of signed contracts, I really don't think Fed even thought of stopping in 2018 if he's healthy because he knows the quality of his base level. It's also pretty close to the Tokyo Olympics, so again, as long as he is healthy enough I believe he wants to be a part of that. But things can always happen, it's just that I really don't believe motivation to go on would ever be the problem. The guy basically breathes the ATP World Tour as his air. It has to stop at some point of course, but not yet.
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
Well I suppose they maybe generally sign 3-year contracts, as he did renew it before the start of 2017 I believe? So yeah, you're probably right.

In any case, leaving aside the matter of signed contracts, I really don't think Fed even thought of stopping in 2018 if he's healthy because he knows the quality of his base level. It's also pretty close to the Tokyo Olympics, so again, as long as he is healthy enough I believe he wants to be a part of that. But things can always happen, it's just that I really don't believe motivation to go on would ever be the problem. The guy basically breathes the ATP World Tour as his air. It has to stop at some point of course, but not yet.
Yeah at this point I think it's very likely he makes it to 2020 and from then on it's a lot harder to see him keep going.

He won the last Grand Slam he played, and he's not immediately gonna give up if he doesn't win the next 3 or something, so quitting in 2019 isn't really on the cards and I imagine he wants to be in Tokyo, although he's probably a very long shot.

On the other hand, Federer is definitely playing worse than in 2017, and there will be a point where he can't sustain the training and playing load required to be consistent, good and fresh enough to play 7 Bo5 matches. He'll get too reliant on his serve against lesser opponents, which increases the amount of tiebreaks and variance, and which will snowball cause he can't really afford to waste much energy.

After the Sunshine Double and now Halle, I have a hard time seeing him win another Grand Slam on HC. The circumstances of '17 won't happen again, and I think he got off extremely lucky in with how easily he could breeze to the final. Add in that Djokovic will be in the mix once more, Murray perhaps as well, and that it's inevitable that young players will get better as well, useless as they are, and I think Wimbly 2019 is perhaps the last one where he'll have a good shot. After that I think it may be more about not giving up than actually be in it to win it.

It could actually be interesting to see how his stats develop per tournament compared to last year. His return stats are up this year on HC, but that's because he's been playing way easier opponents on HC this year.

Actually, it might be really interesting to do some analysis of his stats throughout all years, and to do that for other big name players as well. Cause to me it seems like his stats in 2004-2007 weren't that much higher than in 2011-2012 and some other years, it's just that he was the only one that was that high.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Not a surprise, but still probably cause for many tears from those who were hoping for a surprise retirement in 2018. Stay strong, people, he'll retire some day. Just not soon. :D

As a side note, Zverev has been confirmed, too.
With Mirka, . . . again.
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
I've said this before but Fed will stay around as long he's a contender for slams (or he feels that he is) and Mirka is willing to put up with the whole circus.

Don't think contracts matter all that much in this case.
Oh, definitely. Tokyo 2020 still very much in the cards if everything goes according to plan, imho. He also "needs" to beat Rosewall as the oldest GS winner, which means winning one in 2019+. And there, there are the Connors records.




... and then he can aim for Court, lol! :D
 

BVSlam

Professional
Yeah at this point I think it's very likely he makes it to 2020 and from then on it's a lot harder to see him keep going.

He won the last Grand Slam he played, and he's not immediately gonna give up if he doesn't win the next 3 or something, so quitting in 2019 isn't really on the cards and I imagine he wants to be in Tokyo, although he's probably a very long shot.

On the other hand, Federer is definitely playing worse than in 2017, and there will be a point where he can't sustain the training and playing load required to be consistent, good and fresh enough to play 7 Bo5 matches. He'll get too reliant on his serve against lesser opponents, which increases the amount of tiebreaks and variance, and which will snowball cause he can't really afford to waste much energy.

After the Sunshine Double and now Halle, I have a hard time seeing him win another Grand Slam on HC. The circumstances of '17 won't happen again, and I think he got off extremely lucky in with how easily he could breeze to the final. Add in that Djokovic will be in the mix once more, Murray perhaps as well, and that it's inevitable that young players will get better as well, useless as they are, and I think Wimbly 2019 is perhaps the last one where he'll have a good shot. After that I think it may be more about not giving up than actually be in it to win it.

It could actually be interesting to see how his stats develop per tournament compared to last year. His return stats are up this year on HC, but that's because he's been playing way easier opponents on HC this year.

Actually, it might be really interesting to do some analysis of his stats throughout all years, and to do that for other big name players as well. Cause to me it seems like his stats in 2004-2007 weren't that much higher than in 2011-2012 and some other years, it's just that he was the only one that was that high.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, yeah. I also feel he is playing considerably worse all year, but it has been a general decline since winning Wimbledon 2017 even with some great patches of play still in Shanghai. I'm not sure if it's a drop in form because of being one year older. I simply think that in 2017 he was really excited to go back on court, got even more excited as he surprised himself and won so many matches, even laying the hammer on Rafa. I think it has everything to do with momentum, and you could just see how exciting 2017 was for him, winning everything without being expected to up to a certain point of course. That made him both loose and clutch, he could swing freely, his focus was on point.

Since then there have been some back problems, expectations were very high again being the favourite for almost everything, the excitement of that 2017 push is gone (as much he clearly still loves playing)...all this seems to kind of normalise his level again for this point in his career after a freak peak in the first half of last year, including that "neo-backhand" that hasn't really popped up in a while. That's kind of how AO 2018 felt for me as well, a normalised level that showed in the final when Cilic actually started to play tough, but due to the easy draw prior to it didn't show in the results, similar to IW 2018 only he didn't win it that time.

He is now coasting more on a closer-to-base level which will always be high no matter what with the talent that he has, but will cause a few more losses against opponents that play him tough. Depending on whom he plays, he can keep winning slams as long as he's healthy, I'm sure of that. But that higher level of 2017 1st half, I don't ever see that coming back.

Concerning the 2004-2007 to 2011-2012 comparison, I do think his return stats were better (well, moreso 2004-2006 than 2007), but in that case I think there were:
A) Generally more good servers in 2011-2012
B) Better baseline play making him a little better in clutch moments.
People tend to think Fed only dished out straight set beatdowns in 2004-2007, but he didn't. Some tournaments, sure, but there were also plenty of ones where he lost quite a few sets. I think in 2006, maybe 2005 as well, he also had a ton of close 3-setters in Halle, for example. The difference is that he won the most important ones almost always in that period, contrary to 2011-2012 (although if you think about it, a 135-24 W/L record for those two years combined is still seriously good). If you win a match 6-4 in the deciding set, you'll get similar stats to one where you lost it with the same score, but it makes a huge difference in the end. So stats can be similar without having similar win-loss records.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
I've said this before but Fed will stay around as long he's a contender for slams (or he feels that he is) and Mirka is willing to put up with the whole circus.

Don't think contracts matter all that much in this case.
Exactly. Why wouldn't he? He stayed around from 2010-2016 when he hadn't won a single slam so for sure he isn't going anywhere so fast when he's won three slams in two years. He's waiting for the younger players to chase him out(*chuckles*) and he's trying to add more distance between himself and Nadal in the slam race.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Exactly. Why wouldn't he? He stayed around from 2010-2016 when he hadn't won a single slam so for sure he isn't going anywhere so fast when he's won three slams in two years. He's waiting for the younger players to chase him out(*chuckles*) and he's trying to add more distance between himself and Nadal in the slam race.
He won a slam in 2010 and 2012 actually, his non-slam winning years in that period were 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016 (and he was injured in 2013 and 2016 so 2014 and 2015 were the only realistic chances). The 5 year no-slam period is a bit overblown.

Unfortunately for Fed, I think his age/body will let him down before any of those young clowns chase him out. Will be interesting how long can he continue to keep himself in slam contention and defy age/mileage to skin these young sheep.
 

ak24alive

Legend
Despite winning this meaningless exho, he still wants to play that event instead of Brisbane?

Stupid decision by Fed once again.
I think with the last two years he thinks HC is the better preparation for him. He feels comfortable going there and also maybe HC gives a much bigger paycheck because of all the publicity he gives to them and Western Australia. That selfie with the animal was viewed by one tenth the number of all users on the internet around the world.
 

EloQuent

G.O.A.T.
Yeah at this point I think it's very likely he makes it to 2020 and from then on it's a lot harder to see him keep going.

He won the last Grand Slam he played, and he's not immediately gonna give up if he doesn't win the next 3 or something, so quitting in 2019 isn't really on the cards and I imagine he wants to be in Tokyo, although he's probably a very long shot.

On the other hand, Federer is definitely playing worse than in 2017, and there will be a point where he can't sustain the training and playing load required to be consistent, good and fresh enough to play 7 Bo5 matches. He'll get too reliant on his serve against lesser opponents, which increases the amount of tiebreaks and variance, and which will snowball cause he can't really afford to waste much energy.

After the Sunshine Double and now Halle, I have a hard time seeing him win another Grand Slam on HC. The circumstances of '17 won't happen again, and I think he got off extremely lucky in with how easily he could breeze to the final. Add in that Djokovic will be in the mix once more, Murray perhaps as well, and that it's inevitable that young players will get better as well, useless as they are, and I think Wimbly 2019 is perhaps the last one where he'll have a good shot. After that I think it may be more about not giving up than actually be in it to win it.

It could actually be interesting to see how his stats develop per tournament compared to last year. His return stats are up this year on HC, but that's because he's been playing way easier opponents on HC this year.

Actually, it might be really interesting to do some analysis of his stats throughout all years, and to do that for other big name players as well. Cause to me it seems like his stats in 2004-2007 weren't that much higher than in 2011-2012 and some other years, it's just that he was the only one that was that high.
I expect that by 2020 he'll be playing only like 6-8 tournaments.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
This is great news he (and Bencic) fit the atmosphere so well & I think it is an ideal tune up for him.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Aren't those contracts more along the lines of "If I'm still playing then, I'll play", so it's basically the guarantee he won't play Vienna
Exactly. Contracts for athletes always allow for the athlete to retire before the contract expires. It's merely a commitment to that event as opposed to some other concurrent event.
 
Now that two of the top three players are confirmed for the event, will a certain someone who has zero Hopman Cups to his name "duck" playing them on a quick hard court? In all seriousness, why hasn't he played the event before? He and Muguruza would make a formidable team. Maybe she can play with Feli Lopez and finally get her dance with Federer at the NYE ball that didn't happen at the Wimbledon Champions ball.

I think with the last two years he thinks HC is the better preparation for him. He feels comfortable going there and also maybe HC gives a much bigger paycheck because of all the publicity he gives to them and Western Australia. That selfie with the animal was viewed by one tenth the number of all users on the internet around the world.
He seems to like the event,which might be crucial to keep his motivation to keep going high.

It also proved to be pretty sufficient in the past too!

:cool:
1. Exactly. If it worked for the past two years, why the heck would he change it up for the third?

2. The court plays exactly like Melbourne. HC TD Paul Kilderry has said he works closely with Tiley and co. to ensure it resembles the playing conditions of AO. Along with three guaranteed matches in a relaxed atmosphere, Federer calls it the perfect preparation.

3. Perth is only a four hour time difference from Dubai, so it's less jet lag for his kids, and they love it there.

Gotta say it's somewhat surprising to see a young guy like Zverev play the Hopman Cup for four straight years instead of seeking points at the other tune-up events. He seems to enjoy it as well, and who can blame him for wanting to spend as much time with Fed as possible? ;)

 

Slightly D1

Professional
I don’t see Fed drawing a line and retiring right on the spot at any point, I think he just starts playing less and less and focuses on things like the AO and Wimbledon and other events before wrapping it up around 2020 Wimbledon or the Olympics.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
He said he'd stop if his kids were unhappy too. So, as long as they are happy, and he stays fit and healthy by avoiding clay, I reckon he's good to go.;)
Why on Earth would his kids be unhappy given they have practically everything a kid could possibly want? :cool:
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
Why on Earth would his kids be unhappy given they have practically everything a kid could possibly want? :cool:
The girls are getting towards the age when they will need to settle down in one place to separate from their family and establish themselves with their peer group. But that's probably still a couple of years off.
 
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