Federer faced the very best of Nadal at the FO than Djokovic ever did

mahatma

Hall of Fame
The closest that any of Fed/ Djo came to beating PrimeDal in a RG final was ‘13. Closest peak for peak match on clay. Sorry fedboys - Fed never was a threat to PrimeDal on clay. Djokovic at his peakest peak was.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Federer was the best is totally fiction. Fed almost lost all his battles against Nadal & Djokovic, so his fans had to manufacture him as unbeatable tennis deity.

Djokovic totally dominated Nadal, who was better in 2010-11 than ever. In 2010 he won 3 slams for the only time in his career. In 2011-12 he would've won 5 straight slams, if there were no Djokovic. Nadal would've taken over tennis in 2011-12 and Federer could've done nothing about it! And you know it!
 
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SonnyT

Legend
In 2011-12 Nadal would've won 5 straight slams (Rg-RG)! Wasn't that the best Nadal ever? 8 out of 9 slams (only '11 AO) for Nadal!

Helpless Federer would have been put totally in the shade!
 
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Holmes

Hall of Fame
Uh Fed already did at FO2011 and W2012.
W2012 was not best Djokovic, and RG 2011 Novak was physically and mentally a bit below par, as the strap around his knee indicated. Mentally of course with the prospect of being #1 for the first time looming over him he felt a unique amount of pressure during the match that naturally affected him.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I'm sorry I missed your counterargument. Can you please repost for convenience? Thanks.

yes, your post was a bunch of sorry lies.
Bunch of lies don't count as arguments.

RG 11 was the best Djokovic at FO
and Wim 12 was very much prime Djoko at Wim.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Fedfans never tell you what year Rafal was prime! But all they know is that Djokovic didn't face him!

I tell you that '11 Rafa was tops. Because if you discount what Djokovic did to him, in '11 Rafa would've won many more tournaments than the previous year!

'12 was prime year, but not in terms of play. In '12-14, he won only one slam a year. It wasn't until '15 when he broke out again and dominated.
 

Holmes

Hall of Fame
yes, your post was a bunch of sorry lies.
Bunch of lies don't count as arguments.

RG 11 was the best Djokovic at FO
and Wim 12 was very much prime Djoko at Wim.
The contention was that 2012 Djoko was best Djoko at Wimbledon, not prime. Try to keep up when you get on your high horse.

RG11 Djokovic had a strap around his knee. He was not at his best.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Fedfans never tell you what year Rafal was prime! But all they know is that Djokovic didn't face him!

I tell you that '11 Rafa was tops. Because if you discount what Djokovic did to him, in '11 Rafa would've won many more tournaments than the previous year!

prime Nadal was from 2007-13 overall.
2005-13 on clay
2006-11,18 on grass
2007-AO 14 on HC

many fed fans tell similar, but you on lying/denying.
 
So Nadal was at the peak of his powers as per you in 2011 but he was past his prime in 2012 ? ... LOL
I would argue he was stronger in 2012 than in 2011. Going to 5 with Isner and also Fed choking a little in the final. Nadal was very vulnerable (for his standards) in 2011.
 
Even though OP has again an obvious agenda and is completely biased with the years he includes as prime (on top of deliberately leaving Novak out for 2006,07,08) the overall point that Fed faced stronger versions of Nadal is actually correct. Nevertheless I would also claim that Novak enjoys a better matchup against Nadal than Federer so he likely would have done better against him even if he faced the exact same versions than Fed.
 

mahatma

Hall of Fame
Do you have to resort to lies in order to prop up your favorite player?

Did it hurt when I said it?

Anyways peak Djokovic was 2015 W - 2016 RG - as I see - no one beat him and that’s the truth.

Anyways Federer fans love to live in Federer’s peak or whatever it is. For us Djokovic fans - peak was 2015 W - 2016 RG - and guess what 0 slam defeats during this 28 matches run.
 

Razer

Legend
On clay and grass, Nadal was better prior 2012.

Nadal fans will agree with me

Rafa 2012 is capable to beating Rafa 2008 on clay, even if he cannot beat 2008 he will beat the other year versions.

So no, only on grass was he clearly better before 2012, not on Clay/HCs.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
And Djokovic faced him in 2006, 2007, 2008...so your statement is wrong
Already addressed this before that Djoker wasn't a slam material yet at that time, not at the FO. He isn't going to win the FO even if Nadal never exist. No player in history can beat Nadal in those 3 years(saved Borg).

It's like Agassi losing to peak Lendl at the USO in the late 80s. Doesn't mean a darn thing because Agassi wasn't ready to win it all anyway.
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
Already addressed this before that Djoker wasn't a slam material yet at that time, not at the FO. He isn't going to win the FO even if Nadal never exist. No player in history can beat Nadal in those 3 years(saved Borg).

It's like Agassi losing to peak Lendl at the USO in the late 80s. Doesn't mean a darn thing because Agassi wasn't ready to win it all anyway.
Agassi definitely could’ve won both RG and USO 1988… he took the first set from Lendl you know and had a great record that year. you continue to embarrass yourself with your lack of knowledge.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Agassi definitely could’ve won both RG and USO 1988… he took the first set from Lendl you know and had a great record that year. you continue to embarrass yourself with your lack of knowledge.
I disagree. 18/19 years old Agassi isn't going to win the USO. Lendl, Wilander and Becker were too good
 

Holmes

Hall of Fame
Agassi definitely could’ve won both RG and USO 1988… he took the first set from Lendl you know and had a great record that year. you continue to embarrass yourself with your lack of knowledge.
Since when has that stopped him?
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
The contention was that 2012 Djoko was best Djoko at Wimbledon, not prime. Try to keep up when you get on your high horse.

RG11 Djokovic had a strap around his knee. He was not at his best.

LOL, players have a white wrapping around the knee many times as a precaution. Nadal had one in RG 08 and WIm 08. He was not at his best then?
Djokovic was at his best in RG 11 and got beaten by a ~30 yo old Fed. prime fed would beat him worse. :)

djoko couldn't even beat past prime fed in Wim 12. so fed beating prime Djoko is far more relevant than Wim 14-19 in matchup, even if Wim 12 wasn't his Djoko's best, gadhe.
 
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abmk

Bionic Poster
Did it hurt when I said it?

Anyways peak Djokovic was 2015 W - 2016 RG - as I see - no one beat him and that’s the truth.

Anyways Federer fans love to live in Federer’s peak or whatever it is. For us Djokovic fans - peak was 2015 W - 2016 RG - and guess what 0 slam defeats during this 28 matches run.

LOL, LMAO. chosing a period when he had old Fed, AWOL nadal and didn't even face his slam nemesis Wawa even once. :-D :-D
got beat by Wawa on both sides of that - RG 15, USO 16.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Even though OP has again an obvious agenda and is completely biased with the years he includes as prime (on top of deliberately leaving Novak out for 2006,07,08) the overall point that Fed faced stronger versions of Nadal is actually correct. Nevertheless I would also claim that Novak enjoys a better matchup against Nadal than Federer so he likely would have done better against him even if he faced the exact same versions than Fed.

I don't see much of a point in including 06 or 07. Djokovic was not a contender in either of those years.
08 should obviously be included.
Djokovic is just little better vs prime Nadal than Fed on clay. its not much. He won 3 matches on clay vs prime in 08 to 13 as opposed to fed's 2 from 05-11. While he did take prime Nadal to 5 in RG 13, fed was the one who got closest in a Bo5 - Rome 06.

Nadal v Federer from 2005-11 is 12-2 to Nadal
Nadal v Djokovic from 2008-13 is 10-3 to Nadal
 
I don't see much of a point in including 06 or 07. Djokovic was not a contender in either of those years.
08 should obviously be included.
Djokovic is just little better vs prime Nadal than Fed on clay. its not much. He won 3 matches on clay vs prime in 08 to 13 as opposed to fed's 2 from 05-11. While he did take prime Nadal to 5 in RG 13, fed was the one who got closest in a Bo5 - Rome 06.

Nadal v Federer from 2005-11 is 12-2 to Nadal
Nadal v Djokovic from 2008-13 is 10-3 to Nadal
In 2007 he reached the semi. Of course it is still unlikely he beats Federer, but if not for Nadal he reaches the final what I would already call a contender. TMF, who is a fanboy, which you would admit I guess, didn’t say anything about being a contender but just said who faced which versions of Nadal (arbitrarily making the cut-off date 2011, even though he was stronger in 2012). Even if we exclude 2007, OP should have included 2008 so it is still biased. I agree Djokovic is just a little better against Nadal, but 10-3 vs 12-2 cuts it for me even if close. Doesn’t mean Djokovic is better on clay than Federer but in the specific match up with Nadal I give him the edge.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
That’s true but you gotta give Djoko some props for playing a ridiculous third set when he was down. That was one of the highest quality CC sets they’ve ever played and Djokovic earned those breaks back by taking the racquet out of Nadal’s hands by hitting 21 groundstroke winners in 13 games.

yeah, Djoko played excellent from down 0-3 in the 3rd set. But nadal did let his guard down a little bit.
and it'd be worth more if it had happened in set 1 or 2 than after going down 2 sets to love.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
In 2007 he reached the semi. Of course it is still unlikely he beats Federer, but if not for Nadal he reaches the final what I would already call a contender. TMF, who is a fanboy, which you would admit I guess, didn’t say anything about being a contender but just said who faced which versions of Nadal (arbitrarily making the cut-off date 2011, even though he was stronger in 2012). Even if we exclude 2007, OP should have included 2008 so it is still biased. I agree Djokovic is just a little better against Nadal, but 10-3 vs 12-2 cuts it for me even if close. Doesn’t mean Djokovic is better on clay than Federer but in the specific match up with Nadal I give him the edge.

yeah, I agree OP is biased.
that's why I mentioned based on my criteria.
I don't think 07 djoko on clay was even the equal of Davy - who played great vs Nadal at Rome and played some good ball vs fed (though he did choke in the 3rd set). So 07 is definitely out for me. Not a contender.
 

bnjkn

Professional
When Nadal was at his very best on clay,
Federer met him at the French Open in
1) 2005 Semi
2) 2006 Final
3) 2007 Final
4) 2008 Final
5) 2011 Final


When Nadal was past his prime on clay,
Djokovic met him at the French Open in
1) 2012 Final
2) 2013 Semi
3) 2014 Final
4) 2015 QF
5) 2020 Final
6) 2021 Semi
7) 2022 QF
Yes, I understand you have to say it but it's actually very obvious.
 

Holmes

Hall of Fame
LOL, players have a white wrapping around the knee many times as a precaution. Nadal had one in RG 08 and WIm 08. He was not at his best then?
Djokovic was at his best in RG 11 and got beaten by a ~30 yo old Fed. prime fed would beat him worse. :)

djoko couldn't even beat past prime fed in Wim 12. so fed beating prime Djoko is far more relevant than Wim 14-19 in matchup, even if Wim 12 wasn't his Djoko's best, gadhe.
Nadal was actually forced to start Wimbledon 2008 with a numbed foot...but construct whatever myth you'd like in order to cover up Djokovic's superiority :-D
Unfortunately, Federer said repeatedly he was at his best, first in 2013, then 15, then 19, which is more relevant than your >< argumentation. Of course admitting this to be true would require admitting Djokovic beat peak Federer, which is of course a no-no. So Novak only got ancient, half-dead Federer whose walker was the same color as the court which is why we couldn't see it. Heroic Fed this half-dead Fed.
 
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RS

Bionic Poster
Who played at a higher level?

1. Agassi USO 04 QF or Sod RG 10 QF
2. Sod RG 09 4R or Nadal USO 10 final
3. Nadal USO 13 final or Djokovic AO 14 QF
4. Nadal RG 19 final or Djokovic USO 18 final
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Nadal was actually forced to start Wimbledon 2008 with a numbed foot...but construct whatever myth you'd like in order to cover up Djokovic's superiority :-D
Unfortunately, Federer said repeatedly he was at his best, first in 2013, then 15, then 19, which is more relevant than your >< argumentation. Of course admitting this to be true would require admitting Djokovic beat peak Federer, which is of course a no-no. So Novak only got ancient, half-dead Federer whose walker was the same color as the court which is why we couldn't see it. Heroic Fed this half-dead Fed.

I am talking about including Wim 08 QF and WIm 08 F - 2 of Nadal's best matches on grass
Rest of your post is such a loser post and a horrible jumble of nonsense that I feel sorry for you. All I am going to say is - get well soon.
done here.
 

Holmes

Hall of Fame
I am talking about including Wim 08 QF and WIm 08 F - 2 of Nadal's best matches on grass Your post is such a loser post and a horrible jumble of nonsense that I feel sorry for you. All I am going to say is get well soon.
done replying to you.
Accept your concession my friend, hope you rest well. Maybe basic reading comprehension will cease to elude you when you return.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
That wasn't to related to whatever was going on with both of you. Staying out of that.

I know. doesn't change what I said.
it isn't just this one convo. That guy's track record is as clear as a crystal.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
When Nadal was at his very best on clay,
Federer met him at the French Open in
1) 2005 Semi
2) 2006 Final
3) 2007 Final
4) 2008 Final
5) 2011 Final


When Nadal was past his prime on clay,
Djokovic met him at the French Open in
1) 2012 Final
2) 2013 Semi
3) 2014 Final
4) 2015 QF

When Nadal was at his very best on clay,
Federer met him at the French Open in
1) 2005 Semi
2) 2006 Final
3) 2007 Final
4) 2008 Final
5) 2011 Final


When Nadal was past his prime on clay,
Djokovic met him at the French Open in
1) 2012 Final
2) 2013 Semi
3) 2014 Final
4) 2015 QF
5) 2020 Final
6) 2021 Semi
7) 2022 QF
As others have mentioned, Novak played Nadal before 2011 as well. For example in 2008, Novak lost to Nadal 4-6, 2-6, 6-7, who then beat Federer 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 in the final. What's your conclusion?

While when Nadal was in his prime is debatable, Fed needs to get at least a win for this to be even worth debating, don't you think?
 

RS

Bionic Poster
My point was a generic one.
The posters I talk to most are probably Poisoned Slice/Krag/TheNachoMan anyway. I don't think they fall that badly under that line.

My threads are not really Fedovic exclusive these days. Most others posters I talk with are just passing bar a few others.
 
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