Federer Fans - Are you more worried about Fed Slam Count Over Nadal than Ever Before

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  1. McEnroeisanartist

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    Federer fans, after today, are you more worried about Fed Slam Count Over Nadal than ever Before?

    Or do you think you were more worried:

    After 2014 French Open, Nadal had 14 Slams and Federer had 17 Slams. Nadal had won 3 of 5 previous slams. Federer had won just one slam in the previous 17 slams.

    After 2016 Wimbledon semifinal

    At 1-3 in the 2017 Australian Open final

    After 2017 US Open final
     
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  3. xanctus

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    Nadal will always close to Roger whatever it is in terms of slams number.
    It just pissed me off seeing Roger unable to win with match points again...tired seeing this situation from him. Even though, in the heat of battle its different (I know)
     
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    not a Federer fan by any means but if Nadal beats Novak he's going to catch Federer
     
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  5. Djokovic_is_the_best#1

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    If Nadal wins Wimbledon, it’s virtually game over for Fed and his fans. Nadal will only be 2 behind, the nearest he’s ever been. Plus he’ll be so confident, that he might then also win the us open and be only 1 behind him.

    Fed fans will be praying Djoko rolls back to 2015 type form or Nadal will likely win his 3rd wimbledon and close in on Fed.
     
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  6. metsman

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    be very afraid fed fans....very afraid
     
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  8. zagor

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    No, I've made my peace with the thought that Nadal will most likely break it.

    He's in great physical shape and has no young players to contend with, leaves him with a great chance to add to his tally in his 30s.
     
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    Get ready for the exponential rise in Novak's fanbase.
     
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    Since a few years ago, I've always expected Roger and Rafa to end up with about the same number of Slams. I mean, look, a 2-3 slam differential when the total is close to 20 is like a 10-15% difference. That is not a big difference AT ALL. Agassi had 8 Slams and Edberg and Becker each had 6. That's a 30% gap and I still wouldn't be able to say who's greater.
     
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    Nah I’ve pretty much accepted that Nadal is gonna finish with more slams now and be regarded as the greater player by the dumb kids of the future.
     
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    I was very afraid back then and im very afraid right now...
     
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  13. tennisaddict

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    Not afraid before and not afraid now . 3 more majors needed even if he wins this Sunday and that will not happen
     
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  14. augustobt

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    It's the wikipedia generation. They don't watch matches, they don't play the sport. They read numbers and that's it.
     
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  16. Rago

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    No; it is inevitable now. And Nadal is 5 years younger.

    Rafa could win 10 more slams though (and be head and shoulders above all players in the open era in terms of accomplishments) but Federer/Sampras & Djokovic/Agassi will still remain my favorite players to watch on court when all facets of their games are clicking. Nothing's going to change that.
     
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  17. titoelcolombiano

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    If Rafa wins Wimby - the only difference between Nadal and Federer in the slam count is AO 17
     
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  18. jackdaw

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    Nadal will finish on at least 25/26 slams

    He is on 17.
    He has AT LEAST 5 French Opens in him ... 22
    at least 2 US Opens 24
    maybe an AO 25
    This years Wimbledon 26 ....


    and then there is the extra ones he'll win, like probably an extra 2 FOs (28) ... Wimbledon ... 29 ... USO ... 30 .


    Easily he'll get to 30 Slams.


    And again, it's because THERE IS NO NEW TALENT COMING THROUGH.

    This year the youngest slam winners will turn 30.

    Nadal will play Isner or Anderson in the final of Wimbledon .

    WHAT A JOKE!!!
     
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  19. Krish872007

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    Yep. For those who value the Slam Race that was enormous for Fed - even in the worst case scenario, it's allowed him to fend off challengers for an extra 2-3 years. The only players who have a say in this (right now) are Roger himself, Rafa and Novak. Everyone else has proven to be largely irrelevant, particularly those under 30
     
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  20. Federer and Del Potro

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    No because I honestly stopped caring about it a while ago. If he ends with more, cool. If he doesn't, cool.

    Will it change my life who has more? No.

    Would I like him to have more? Sure, I'm a Federer fan.

    Would him not having more suddenly erase the thousands of memories Fed has given me? No.
     
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  21. Firstservingman

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    Slam count isn't everything. It's how you win that's important to me and to many people.

    Nadal has already earned my respect and doesn't need to exceed Fed in slams for that - but at the same time a couple of extra slams (probably more RGs) doesn't tell me anything new about him and Fed is always going to be the superior tennis player if we're looking at their whole body of work.
    Holding the record at 3/4 slams and the Tour Finals/#1 records certainly isn't worthless and is a harder thing to do than winning a couple of individual slams.

    Either way it is what it is if Dal gets the slam record. It's only a game. And it seems that for many people it wouldn't change much anyway.
     
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  22. MeatTornado

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    I know I'm about to become a bigger Nole fan than ever before lol
     
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  23. Tennisanity

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    Nothing to do with Nadal. Ok lose to Cilic, Djoko, Stan or another strong opponent. But Kevin Anderson after you were up 2 sets? I mean what the fck. Just shows how tennis is such a mental sport which can overcome your abilities no matter how talented you are.
     
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  24. ollinger

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    worried??
     
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    I am worried, but I do think Rafa's 11 at the French open is kind of a double edged sword for his legacy. On one hand, it solidifies him as, not just the greatest of all time on clay, but the greatest of all time on any single surface. On the other hand, it kind of pigeon holes him at that title. His records at every other slam are far, far inferior to Fed's and, frankly, a lot of other players.
     
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    Those people who follow tennis seriously as a sport -as opposed to a celebrity event- already know that Nadal has been superior to Federer for the vast majority of their rivalry.

    Nadal equaling or beating Federer’s slam count will merely confirm it for posterity.
     
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  27. metsman

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    Absolutely right. Federer ALWAYS retreated into his shell against Nadal in a big match. Same thing against Nole. I'm sorry, dude may look pretty out there but he's just not a fighter and would get EXPOSED by anyone who tracks down a couple shots here and there.
     
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  30. Rafa24

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    If Rafa wins this wimby and it's a big if I can see him catching Fed. Win either US or ao and then RG 19 to tie at 20.......
     
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    No because Federer has a big gap in weeks at #1, 3 of 4 Slams and the WTF.
     
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  32. Tennisanity

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    Federer is the only one with ATGs 5 years younger than him competing against him. Meanwhile Djoko and Nadal have essentially no one coming after them.
     
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    At this point I don't care. Fed said in the press conference that the goal is to come to Wimbledon next year and that is all that matters to me. Roger plays more. Roger wins more. Now that he lost Wimbledon he will be highly motivated for the USO swing and that would be a treat to watch. Believe.

    All the best to Rafa. Watching him play like he did today gives me immense pleasure. What a competitor. What a player. Vamos!
     
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    C’mon...
     
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    This is where Rafa shines...
    Let’s be honest, in that same situation, Rafa would’ve found a way to win.
     
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  36. ak24alive

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    You are right. Novak when playing well is even a better fighter than Rafa. Both of them are always looking to put that one extra ball in play. In times of adversity you have to grind it out. If you can't hit winners, derive errors from the opponent. Get them to deuce or something, then play 2 good points and before they know it's a break. I have to agree Roger lacks this a bit. If he showed the AO17 fifth set mentality throughout his career it would have been so different. So many big losses would have been big wins because even when he is playing bad he is better than anybody else at keeping the match close, just can't close it when opportunity shows itself. There are so many Federer matches where he won more points but lost nonetheless. I think he leads the stats in that category.
     
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    He is already the GOAT but I also include his warrior spirit in that which is unmatched. The match last night showed me why he is my favourite tennis player of all time- relentless aggression and unmatched will to win till the very end
     
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  38. The1AndOnly

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    Exactly what I have been saying all day on different platforms - The player with the highest percentage of matches in history where he wins more points than his opponent but still loses is... Roger Federer.

    He holds easily the majority of the time and gets close in his opponents service games quite frequently. But in big matches, he has too much of a tendency to tighten up and allow his opponents to dictate too much on their serve. When he faces pressure on his own serve in those big matches after multiple missed opportunities on the return, he often crumbles.

    Of course Federer is the GOAT and many people would agree with that (Rafa could end up solidifying himself over Fed, and a win this weekend would be a huge step), but today's match against Anderson was an extremely typical example of Federer playing better than his opponent in all of the moments that didn't matter - and it has happened way too frequently throughout his career.

    Although I am saying this, it's truly hard to bash Federer over these things reasonably because it truly takes so much mental fortitude just to get through matches like these with close scorelines, much less actually win one.
     
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    They had ATGs of the same age, and one 5 years older.

    In fact Djokovic met ATGs 39 times in grand slams.
     
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    Well said (or typed...)
    Rog relied too much on sheer talent to see him through today, Kevin put his nose to the proverbial grindstone and just got it done.
     
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  41. Rafa24

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    Rafa let a break lead go in the 5th in 2012 and 2017 australian open final.
     
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    I've always liked Federer better than Nadal. Mainly because I've never been a big fan of clay courts, Federer is closer to the all court style that I like to see, and a few little quirks Nadal has that I find annoying - like taking too much time. Whatever. They both seem like nice guys.

    But today was the first day I actually thought that Nadal will end up with more majors. Federer is 36 and Nadal is 32. People have always said that Nadal's body will break down because of his style of play, but that doesn't seem to be materializing. He's had injuries, but his high fitness level seems to be making up for it. Plus Nadal has the big trump card with the French Open. He seems to be guaranteed to win a few more of those, and may win more than a few. We're in unprecedented territory here.

    I don't see Federer being able to win the US Open again, something Nadal did last year. We don't know when Federer's age is going to really catch up with him. And if he retires, that will give Nadal a number to shoot for to pass him.
     
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    Well, he’s not gonna win ‘em all, just most.
     
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    I love Fed, and think he's the best player I ever saw.

    But if Nadal surpasses him, then good for him. He is an amazing champion.
     
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    To be fair to Fed, he was on a streak of 5 set victories before today. But yeah, I generally agree that Rafa is tougher to break down than Fed. You have to earn every single point.
     
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  46. Omega_7000

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    It's now time for Nadal to go slam less for the next three years.......Fed with his style of play struggled after he hit 32......Surely Nadal cannot keep up with this physical style post 32.
     
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    Couldn't have put it better myself. And for sure we can't blame Fed for that after everything he has achieved, we just need to accept this flaw of him as we accept the gazillion great things about him.
    And if you look carefully you will see that these kind of matches started later in his career and clearly indicate that the old age gets to him in ways like this. He can't grind it out in matches like this because he isn't as solid at the baseline as he used to be.
    There are very few such matches from his peak years.
    I remember AO final 2009 was of this nature too. Roger managed to win more points overall even after losing the fifth set 6-2. He just wasn't clutch in the big moments in the match. Took Rafa to BPs or 0-30 situations quite often but couldn't break. Cruised through his own service games, then played one crappy service games and gave the break to Rafa. Thats how it went for the majority of the match before Rafa prevailed in the fifth.

    And this is where you have to stand in awe of Rafa and Novak's fighting spirit and clutch-ness. They rarely have matches like this but they are yet to enter the dinosaur age so we just might get to know in the next few years if this thing is a function of age or it's just our Roger who is a mug on big points.
     
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    You saw it again today with Delpo, it’s not like he just shrank and went away, he fought, but Rafa fought harder.
     
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    It also sucks that Nadal has no one breathing down his neck and 5 years younger.
     
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    Edberg is at 61% whereas his arch-rival Becker is at 43%, yet Edberg was Becker's pigeon (10-25 H2H). Just saying.
     
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