Federer fans, be honest...

Is Federer to blame?


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ADuck

Hall of Fame
The slam race is tightening up now. Perhaps it's closer than you initially thought it might ever be. Federer still sits 2 slams in front of Nadal, and 5 in front of Djokovic. Both might not equal or surpass him, but my question to y'all is is Federer in part to blame for it being so close? I know he is 5-6 years older than Djokodal which gives him a disadvantage in the physical department for some years now, but are you satisfied that he did enough in the position he's been in, or are you slightly disappointed that he wasn't able to put up more of a fight in the past 9 years or so? Answer honestly.

Edit: Let's keep it civil. Federer fans only please.
 
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mahesh69a

Rookie
This has been debated many times before ... Fed had inferior (compared to the big 3) competition at the beginning of his career and then had to contend with Rafa and later Nole.
For Rafa and Djokovic, at the beginning, they had to deal with Fed (and each other) and in their 30's they are facing mugs, but they do still have each other to contend with ...
I think it all balances out in the end.
 

Sysyphus

G.O.A.T.
I think he took his foot of the gas for a while when he broke the slam record and lost a bit of the single-minded drive you need to be at that level. So I think that he didn't quite maximize his potential in, say, 2009-2011 (or starting in 2008).

But what he's done as an elderly man against a younger field since 2014 is far beyond anything I could expect. Among the most awe-inspiring achievements in the sport.
 
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mahesh69a

Rookie
Roddick leads Djokovic 5-4. You may guess that Djokovic would overtake him, but it's just a guess and nothing more. Facts are that Roddick leads Djokovic.
That's too early in Nole's career. Its like saying "Kafelnikov leads Federer 4-2. You may guess that Federer would overtake him, but it's just a guess and nothing more. Facts are that Kafelnikov leads Federer"
 

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
The slam race is tightening up now. Perhaps it's closer than you initially thought it might ever be. Federer still sits 2 slams in front of Nadal, and 5 in front of Djokovic. Both might not equal or surpass him, but my question to y'all is is Federer in part to blame for it being so close? I know he is 5-6 years older than Djokodal which gives him a disadvantage in the physical department for some years now, but are you satisfied that he did enough in the position he's been in, or are you slightly disappointed that he wasn't able to put up more of a fight in the past 9 years or so? Answer honestly.
Yes, part of the tight(er) race is on Fed. For example:

1. He lost matches that he should have won. With all due respect to Delpo, Fed had 1-0 lead and was serving for the second set (30-15) against a player who lost 6/6 to him and never reached a slam final before. He should've sealed the deal. Had he gone 2-0, it would've been a done deal.
2. Fed disappeared in the 5th set at the AO 2009 for no reason really, and he was playing a guy who battled in the SF while Fed was watching from his hotel room.
3. Fed lost to Safin after having a match point. That should've never happened, with all due respect to the latter.
4. Fed blew match points against Anderson this past Wimbledon. Had he won, he would've played an exhausted Djokovic in the final. I'm not saying that he would've certainly won, but he would've had a great chance to do so.
5. Break points: 1/9 at Wimbledon 2008? 4/23 at the USO 2015? You got to be kidding me.
6. Lost to no names at his best slams. Nadal and Djokovic didn't lose to no names at RG and AO.
7. ONE final at the USO in 10 years? At the USO, which Fed used to dominate year after year for half a decade? No way that that would happen to Nadal at RG or Djokovic at AO (and they're already in their 30s).
8. USO 2010 and USO 2011: losing two years in a row after having match points?

I can go on and on, but besides the dominance of Nadal in Paris and Djokovic's unreal abilities, it's also on Federer.
 
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OhYes

Legend
Roddick leads Djokovic 5-4. You may guess that Djokovic would overtake him, but it's just a guess and nothing more. Facts are that Roddick leads Djokovic.
Yes I know Roddick was biggest stumbling block for Djokovic to win a Slam. Luckily Roddick retired and Djokovic could begin with his collecting trophies.
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
No. Why!? :oops: For every shortcoming he had in his later years, if any (Nadal and Djokovic are just straight out better players than him), he compensated with overachieving in his early years, yes I know, it was during years with lesser competition, but still, winning 12 slams in basically 4 years on just 2 surfaces, is just a real masterpiece of spectacular opportunism imo.;) So like everything else in life, things do levels out eventually.
 

aman92

Hall of Fame
What all of you don't understand is Federer has 2 ATGs 5/6 years his junior chasing him. Nadal and Djokovic have no one. They are benefiting tremendously from this and hence their slam count is highly inflated.
Federer emerged when Nadal and Djokovic were babies and he had already gobbled up 12 grand slam titles until they matured to challenge him on all surfaces. Swings and roundabouts this weak era argument
 

wang07

Rookie
If I want to be honest there are a few things i'm not happy about, such as the lost crucial GS matches from match points, the USO stutters since 2008 which stands out in a negative way. Other than those I feel like he should've won one of the 3 lost finals against Djokovic in 2014-15(especially after '15 USO i was extremely disappointed).

Adding up all of those there may be 3 additional slams "easily" to his name, but when I think further, there are matches that he could have lost easily, but ended up winning somehow(2009 Wimbledon as instance).
That said, at the end of the day I feel like Federer's career is complete, I'm happy that he's still here playing, and if Nadal or Djokovic ends up with more, it's not the end of the world, I can live with it.
 

Sephiroth

Semi-Pro
What all of you don't understand is Federer has 2 ATGs 5/6 years his junior chasing him. Nadal and Djokovic have no one. They are benefiting tremendously from this and hence their slam count is highly inflated.
Nadal and DJokovic, 2 ATGs had to deal with each other too or is it just fantasy land where Federer is the only one dealing with ATGs here? They also had to keep chasing Federer given he had a humoungous lead over both of them in slams and Federer kept ADDING to his slams so no one was there to stop him either, see how that works? Is Federer not an ATG?

Last I checked Federer won 3 slams from 2017.
 

tudwell

Legend
I think he took his foot of the gas for a while when he broke the slam record and lost a bit of the single-minded drive you need to be at that level. So I think that he didn't quite maximize his potential in, say, 2009-2011.

But what he's done as an elderly man against a younger field since 2014 is far beyond anything I could expect. Among the most awe-inspiring achievements in the sport.
Yeah, I'd agree with this. The things he's done since coming back from his injury scares in 2013 are pretty incredible, but for a few years before that, he wasn't nearly as consistent as he could have been and failed most of the time to really challenge the top guys at the biggest events (with the exception of the period from November 2011 to August 2012, where he was gold). If Nadal or Djokovic ever decisively overtake him in whatever people's standards for "GOAT" are (or should be), I think it'll be that span of time, from 2008 to 2012, that'll come back to haunt him.
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
What all of you don't understand is Federer has 2 ATGs 5/6 years his junior chasing him. Nadal and Djokovic have no one. They are benefiting tremendously from this and hence their slam count is highly inflated.
Imagine they had only Hewitt and Roddick in their prime.
It's worse. prime-Djokodal had Raonic, Nishikori, Dimitrov. Or do you think they are equal caliber to prime-Ferrero/Hewitt/Moya/Roddick/Safin/Gonzalez/Nalbandian? And prime-Raonic/Nishikor/Dimitrov? Yeah, Fedr owns them too, while he's ancient. He still does, in his 30's. And you're using them as the measuring stick to prop up Djokodal and their competition...
 

Grampa

Semi-Pro
Nadal and DJokovic, 2 ATGs had to deal with each other too or is it just fantasy land where Federer is the only one dealing with ATGs here? They also had to keep chasing Federer given he had a humoungous lead over both of them in slams and Federer kept ADDING to his slams so no one was there to stop him either, see how that works? Is Federer not an ATG?

Last I checked Federer won 3 slams from 2017.
Humbalito didn't win 3 slams from 05-07? then conveniently got injured in 09. It's cute how Djokodal fans hype up the other as competition to denigrate Fed, it's the only way they can convince themselves Fed isn't the greatest of the three.
 

Justin Side

Hall of Fame
What all of you don't understand is Federer has 2 ATGs 5/6 years his junior chasing him. Nadal and Djokovic have no one. They are benefiting tremendously from this and hence
their slam count is highly inflated.
I love the irony of some Federer fans discrediting Djokovic and Nadal for feasting on a weak era. What goes around comes around.
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Nadal and DJokovic, 2 ATGs had to deal with each other too or is it just fantasy land where Federer is the only one dealing with ATGs here? They also had to keep chasing Federer given he had a humoungous lead over both of them in slams and Federer kept ADDING to his slams so no one was there to stop him either, see how that works? Is Federer not an ATG?

Last I checked Federer won 3 slams from 2017.
Instead of just being happy that their fav in his younger years, had this massively long and uninterrupted pocket of time with only Hewitt, Roddick, Davydenko and Baghdatis as his main competition, enough time for amassing some serious Slam numbers, they are butthurt, that he actually had decent competition in his later years of his career. Funny bunch these Fedr fans.:D
 

Sephiroth

Semi-Pro
Humbalito didn't win 3 slams from 05-07? then conveniently got injured in 09. It's cute how Djokodal fans hype up the other as competition to denigrate Fed, it's the only way they can convince themselves Fed isn't the greatest of the three.
Last I checked it's you guys who're saying Fed had it tough cuz he was facing Djokovic and Nadal but Djokodal also had to face each other on top of Federer, how am I denigrating anyone here? You simply forgot to miss the fact that if Federer was facing 2 ATGs, then so were Nadal and Djokovic given those 3 have the biggest rivalries. But noooooooooooooo it only counts for Federer.
 

OhYes

Legend
It's worse. prime-Djokodal had Raonic, Nishikori, Dimitrov. Or do you think they are equal caliber to prime-Ferrero/Hewitt/Moya/Roddick/Safin/Gonzalez/Nalbandian? And prime-Raonic/Nishikor/Dimitrov? Yeah, Fedr owns them too, while he's ancient. He still does, in his 30's. And you're using them as the measuring stick to prop up Djokodal and their competition...
Prime Djokovic had prime Nadal and vice versa, among other lowlifes he had goat, Murray, Wawrinka, Ferrer, Tsonga and all players that were active in toughest era ever in tennis.
 

Sephiroth

Semi-Pro
Instead of just being happy that their fav in his younger years, had this massively long and uninterrupted pocket of time with only Hewitt, Roddick, Davydenko and Baghdatis as his main competition, enough time for amassing some serious Slam numbers, they are butthurt, that he actually had decent competition in his later years of his career. Funny bunch these Fedr fans.:D
Also they apparently don't care about the H2H but are willing to bring it up to say Roddick is better than Djokovic
 

Grampa

Semi-Pro
Last I checked it's you guys who're saying Fed had it tough cuz he was facing Djokovic and Nadal but Djokodal also had to face each other on top of Federer, how am I denigrating anyone here? You simply forgot to miss the fact that if Federer was facing 2 ATGs, then so were Nadal and Djokovic given those 3 have the biggest rivalries. But noooooooooooooo it only counts for Federer.
I haven't said anything along those lines, just because few Fed fans say it doesn't mean I agree with the whole argument; learn not to paint us all with the same brush. Otherwise I can list the Djokodal fans here claiming Fed won slams when both were apparently wearing diapers, sick, not motivated or injured.
 

Grampa

Semi-Pro
Also they apparently don't care about the H2H but are willing to bring it up to say Roddick is better than Djokovic
Semantics, really. I can claim that if you people care about the h2h with Fed then care about it against other individuals of the field too but that apparently falls on deaf ears.
 

Sephiroth

Semi-Pro
I haven't said anything along those lines, just because few Fed fans say it doesn't mean I agree with the whole argument; learn not to paint us all with the same brush. Otherwise I can list the Djokodal fans here claiming Fed won slams when both were apparently wearing diapers, sick, not motivated or injured.
So why did you get your panties in a twist when I was quoting a specific member which had nothing to do with you? I didn't even mention anything about Federer fans in that post you quoted me with.

You can do whatever you want LOL idc, I'll say whatever I want to say.
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
I love the irony of some Federer fans discrediting Djokovic and Nadal for feasting on a weak era. What goes around comes around.
It's not the same though? In 2005, Rafa won his first slam. A slam contender is tough competition, full stop, and he later proved it emphatically by winning 18 slams. Fedr won his first slam at WB2003, so that gave him 2 years to feast between WB2003-AO2005. Fedr started his decline in 2010. And Djokodal's case? They've been feasting since 2011, after Fedr started to decline, going on 9 years now, with the last 5 yrs since 2014 being especially weak.

But according to you, 2 yrs = 5-9 yrs, no?
 

Sephiroth

Semi-Pro
Semantics, really. I can claim that if you people care about the h2h with Fed then care about it against other individuals of the field too but that apparently falls on deaf ears.
I do care, you can talk about any H2H against Nadal which he has a loss at and it won't bother me the slightest, like I wouldn't even care to argue about it because i don't care BUT Nadal having a winning H2H vs Federer will trigger every one of you guys. That's worth it.
 

Grampa

Semi-Pro
So why did you get your panties in a twist when I was quoting a specific member which had nothing to do with you? I didn't even mention anything about Federer fans in that post you quoted me with.

You can do whatever you want LOL idc, I'll say whatever I want to say.
You didn't quote anyone, you just replied to a poster which one can do. And what are you, a child? No one is stopping you from posting anything, everyone can discuss or argue whatever they want here (even thing unrelated to tennis) unless you want your mummy's permission to post.
I do care, you can talk about any H2H against Nadal which he has a loss at and it won't bother me the slightest, like I wouldn't even care to argue about it because i don't care BUT Nadal having a winning H2H vs Federer will trigger every one of you guys. That's worth it.
You cared enough about Djokovic's record against Roddick and you were foaming at the mouth upon Nadal's record against Djokovic being mentioned.
 

Grampa

Semi-Pro
@Sephiroth OP is a Rafa fan who mentioned clearly that he wanted only Fed fans opinion, yet you couldn't help yourself and got triggered at not being included and has to post some crap here. Did you even read the title?
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
What all of you don't understand is Federer has 2 ATGs 5/6 years his junior chasing him. Nadal and Djokovic have no one. They are benefiting tremendously from this and hence their slam count is highly inflated.
This is an excellent post and has not been pointed out enough. A 5 year age gap in professional sports in huge. The difference from peak to being done. Everyone wants to compare Fed to Nadal and The Joker, but the only reason they are grouped together is due to the incredible longevity and excellence of Federer. All of Fed's true contemporaries retired long ago. People need to stop bashing Fed and negatively comparing him to Nadal and The Joker and really appreciate the guy.
 

ADuck

Hall of Fame
It sort of all spiralled out of control. First it was a Nole fan, then a Fed fan argued w/ him, then a Rafa fan entered.. I edited it after the Nole fan came but it was too late to stop the domino effect.
 

The Fedfather

Hall of Fame
If I go back to some specific moments, sure, there were quite a few disappointing matches and there were losses against Nadal and Djokovic that hurt. Still, the mental aspect of it, Federer often struggling under the pressure in his head, they are an important part of his journey and my experience as a fan. It's amazing to see your favorite win but victories that come after losses, the ones that were long awaited are always that much sweeter. I also think Federer's game and character were influenced by having to fight really hard to win, to be the best. It gave us the 5th set of the AO 2017 believe.

To sum up, Federer had the potential to win more with the level he sustained during a big part of that period. However, looking at what Roger achieved in the past decade, while losing his edge as he got older, and how he achieved it, I'm not even close to being disappointed, there's only admiration.
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
The slam race is tightening up now. Perhaps it's closer than you initially thought it might ever be. Federer still sits 2 slams in front of Nadal, and 5 in front of Djokovic. Both might not equal or surpass him, but my question to y'all is is Federer in part to blame for it being so close? I know he is 5-6 years older than Djokodal which gives him a disadvantage in the physical department for some years now, but are you satisfied that he did enough in the position he's been in, or are you slightly disappointed that he wasn't able to put up more of a fight in the past 9 years or so? Answer honestly.

Edit: Let's keep it civil. Federer fans only please.
Fed has been a moving target since passing Sampras on the slam ladder. It’s easier to chase. On the other hand, the other two pushed him to evolve as a player when he would have stagnated.
I think tennis has changed a lot over the years and he’s done well to adapt and survive.
The only things I would complain about are BP conversion and loss of focus when ahead in certain service games.
I’m happy. I think if Rafa and Novak fans are totally honest, they know they’re benefitting from some pretty lean times competition wise in recent years, Fed has no control over that.
20 is a great amount of slams, if they pass him then fair play.
 
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