Federer fans, be honest...

Is Federer to blame?


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So does age matter yes or no?

How many slams did Federer win while Djokovic or Nadal were "19 or so/young" and how many have djokovic and nadal won while federer has been "old/29 or so"

Both Nadal and Djokovic have had many years facing poor competition and weak opponents. In fact Nadal has won far more slams versus guys who have never reached no 1 or won a slam then djokovic and federer combined. Also as per mcenroeartist:

Beating previous slam champions:

Federer - 13
Australian Open - Agassi, Safin, Wawrinka, Nadal
French Open - Moya, Wawrinka
Wimbledon - Sampras, Hewitt, Djokovic, Murray
US Open - Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick,

Nadal - 9
Australian Open - Federer
French Open - Moya, Federer, Wawrinka
Wimbledon - Agassi, Federer
US Open - Roddick, Djokovic, Del Potro

Djokovic - 14
Australian Open - Federer, Nadal, Wawrinka
French Open - Federer, Nadal
Wimbledon - Hewitt, Nadal, Federer
US Open - Roddick, Federer, Nadal, Del Potro, Murray, Cilic

Sampras - 13
Australian Open - Lendl, Courier,
French Open - Bruguera, Courier,
Wimbledon - Stich, Agassi, Becker
US Open - Wilander, Lendl, McEnroe, Agassi, Rafter, Safin
Nadal has won the least slams when required to beat previous slam champions

 
The slam race is tightening up now. Perhaps it's closer than you initially thought it might ever be. Federer still sits 2 slams in front of Nadal, and 5 in front of Djokovic. Both might not equal or surpass him, but my question to y'all is is Federer in part to blame for it being so close? I know he is 5-6 years older than Djokodal which gives him a disadvantage in the physical department for some years now, but are you satisfied that he did enough in the position he's been in, or are you slightly disappointed that he wasn't able to put up more of a fight in the past 9 years or so? Answer honestly.

Edit: Let's keep it civil. Federer fans only please.
I think that his crap period from 2011-13 was inevitable, maybe if he'd taken time off then and switched racquets/BHs earlier it may have helped. But hard to say.

The ones that really hurt, for me, are the matches where he was in arguable position to win a Slam and failed/choked.

W 2008
AO 2009
US 2009
W 2014
US 2014
US 2015
W 2016

Even converting 2 or 3 of those 7 would have helped, though I think he needs about 25-26 to stay safe from Rafa, and obviously that's a pretty tall order at this point.
 

Luka888

Professional
It is irrelevant to me to be honest. You guys care too much about GOATs and stuff like that. I'm happy to watch Fed as long as he can last. Let him be.

I've notice that younger people are so egocentric nowadays. They always try to prove something even when they are completely wrong. Whatever.
 

Luka888

Professional
I've been in Finance for 30 years, the way statistics are used on here .... I laugh, I cry, I shake my fist at the sky.....
This is hilarious but you are so right. Math and statistics are a big part of my job too. Sometimes, I try to correct people but then I just give up. No point :laughing:. The general problem nowadays is that everyone thinks they know everything about everything. I don't even bother any more :).

Ann, I'm not sure where you live but I tried to explain to a young cousin what is a FICO score and why he can't get a credit from his bank. He was staring at me. He goes like 'well, I just missed a couple of payments on my CC'. Then he says 'Well all of my CC are up to the limit but things will change', I' just need some help right now until I get a new better job. I stopped talking :censored:.
 
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Ann

Hall of Fame
This is hilarious but you are so right. Math and statistics are a big part of my job too. Sometimes, I try to correct people but then I just give up. No point :laughing:. The general problem nowadays is that everyone thinks they know everything about everything. I don't even bother any more :).

Ann, I'm not sure where you live but I tried to explain to a young cousin what is FICO score and why he can't get a credit from his bank. He was staring at me. He goes like 'well, I just missed a couple of payments on my CC'. Then he says 'Well all of my CC are up to the limit but things will change', I' just need some help right now until I get a new better job. I stopped talking :censored:.
AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!

Went through the same thing with a 20 something co-worker in development. She was denied a 3rd credit card because her other 2 were maxed out. The FICO report showed her that percentage wise she had too much debt and credit already compared to her income. I tried to explain to her that she was a bad risk because her expenses exceeded her income. It went back and forth with a lot of drama and foot-stomping on her part, finally I asked her point blank why she needed another credit card - answer, it's how she pays her rent. I walked away and wept for the future.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
If Wimbledon wants Federer a good chance to win the tournament, they will order some medium fast balls instead of those dead slow ones which they use year by year, even since they decided to kill s&v lol.
Regardless of balls used it's the tournament on which Federer still has his best chance. He still plays on a high level and is good enough to win it. But with some faster balls he'd actually became a favorite.
 
There are a few matches which he should have won and he let them slip away but overall can't complain.He's had a fantastic career and I truthfully don't really care about him being surpassed in the GS race.
 
This is hilarious but you are so right. Math and statistics are a big part of my job too. Sometimes, I try to correct people but then I just give up. No point :laughing:. The general problem nowadays is that everyone thinks they know everything about everything. I don't even bother any more :).

Ann, I'm not sure where you live but I tried to explain to a young cousin what is a FICO score and why he can't get a credit from his bank. He was staring at me. He goes like 'well, I just missed a couple of payments on my CC'. Then he says 'Well all of my CC are up to the limit but things will change', I' just need some help right now until I get a new better job. I stopped talking :censored:.
Haha

That’s why I love doing finance and accounting. People say it’s boring but it’s what you can conclude from the numbers and how you can use them to make future decisions.

Not only that, but it’s a stable career and you get to know how finance things work (annuities, loans, stock market, company financial reports etc)

But then it gets frustrating when people are careless with their money. I’m Italian so my family always taught me that if I didn’t have the cash for it, I couldn’t afford it. That’s served me pretty well so far :laughing:
 
I used to work at a big firm, 6 months ago I changed jobs for a new outlook on life and went to work for a huge non-profit... I got a new outlook on life, alright. God I weep for the future.
Yep.

I only plan on staying at the big firm for a few years if I get an offer. The goal is to get the name on the resume, get them to sponsor my CA and move on lol.

Don’t wanna stick around those places for too long. They do push you up the ranks fairly quickly though from what I’ve heard, which can be beneficial moving forward.
 
AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!

Went through the same thing with a 20 something co-worker in development. She was denied a 3rd credit card because her other 2 were maxed out. The FICO report showed her that percentage wise she had too much debt and credit already compared to her income. I tried to explain to her that she was a bad risk because her expenses exceeded her income. It went back and forth with a lot of drama and foot-stomping on her part, finally I asked her point blank why she needed another credit card - answer, it's how she pays her rent. I walked away and wept for the future.
Oh man

I don’t know how people live like that honestly. I’m very strict with what I spend money on so even reading these stories stresses me out
 

Luka888

Professional
Oh man

I don’t know how people live like that honestly. I’m very strict with what I spend money on so even reading these stories stresses me out
Vapor, we completely derailed this thread but it is important for young people to get a message. Spend what you have and save some money. Put 10, 15% aside automatically in some Index funds if you don't know better.

Make your own launch. Have a lunch box. It's not a big deal especially when you live on a small income. Be modest, but treat yourself once in a while. It is OK, just don't over do it.

Do not show off because nobody really cares.
 
Nadal's peak/prime is debatable. I think Nadal 2005 - 2010 would beat post-2010 Nadal on all surfaces.
Yeah due to injuries and ups and downs.
I would say IW 2007- Stuttgart 2007,MC 2008-Rome 2009,MC 2010-USO 2010,AO 2012-RG 2012- IW 2013-AO 2014 for peak.


Still, even if prime Nadal is post 2010, peak/prime Nadalovic only faced each at the slams for 12 months (2011 Wimbledon to 2012 Roland Garros). Since then, they've faced each other only once at Wimbledon (2018), only once at the US Open (2013), and only once at the Australian Open (2019).
I think Nadal has his best HC season in 2013 HC so he would beat most of the 2005-10 versions of Nadal on a HC save for IW 2007,AO 2009,USO 2010 Nadal. I think 2012-13 Nadal was still a prime Nadal on clay as well especially 2012 which can be argued to be Nadal best clay season.
 
Vapor, we completely derailed this thread but it is important for young people to get a message. Spend what you have and save some money. Put 10, 15% aside automatically in some Index funds if you don't know better.

Make your own launch. Have a lunch box. It's not a big deal especially when you live on a small income. Be modest, but treat yourself once in a while. It is OK, just don't over do it.

Do not show off because nobody really cares.
I’m 22. Been doing this since I got my first job.

Heck I was saving money for a bit while I was on student payments lol
 

duaneeo

Hall of Fame
I think Nadal has his best HC season in 2013 HC so he would beat most of the 2005-10 versions of Nadal on a HC save for IW 2007,AO 2009,USO 2010 Nadal. I think 2012-13 Nadal was still a prime Nadal on clay as well especially 2012 which can be argued to be Nadal best clay season.
I'm more impressed with his 2005 - 2006 clay seasons. He won nine BO5 finals and the clay competition was higher, with the likes of peak Federer (before he developed mentalidous when facing Rafa), Gaudio, Ferrero, Coria (remember the 2005 Rome final), and a doping Puerta. I think 2005-2006 Nadal would beat 2012-13 Nadal.
 
He is the new Gatekeeper of tennis after Ferrer retired

Rogeriatric cleans the selfie gens with easer after staying away from clay
as long as DelPos combined tennis hiatus from the game
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
I am going to be honest: the Wimb 2008 and AO 2009 final losses are the main reason why the slam race is as tight as it is. Its is Roger's fault and Roger's fault only for not winning the biggest matches against Nadal on his preferred surfaces while Roger was still in his prime. He had complete control over his destiny back then as age was not an issue for him.

In the eventuality that Nadal does break his slam record, it is going to sting Roger for a long time because, as opposed to Sampras's case with Roger, Nadal and Federer played in the same era so Roger had ample time to stop him, but he failed to do so. Roger was still active when Rafa was racking up slams, but he couldn't stop the Spaniard.

A decade later, those 2 losses to Rafa, Wimb 2008 and AO 2009, might come back to bite Roger in the behind. If he won those matches, his slam record would be secured.

It is what it is and if Rafa breaks Fed's slam record, it will be fully deserved. Serves Fed right for not beating rafa when he had the chance.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
I am going to be honest: the Wimb 2008 and AO 2009 final losses are the main reason why the slam race is as tight as it is. Its is Roger's fault and Roger's fault only for not winning the biggest matches against Nadal on his preferred surfaces while Roger was still in his prime. He had complete control over his destiny back then as age was not an issue for him.

In the eventuality that Nadal does break his slam record, it is going to sting Roger for a long time because, as opposed to Sampras's case with Roger, Nadal and Federer played in the same era so Roger had ample time to stop him, but he failed to do so. Roger was still active when Rafa was racking up slams, but he couldn't stop the Spaniard.

A decade later, those 2 losses to Rafa, Wimb 2008 and AO 2009, might come back to bite Roger in the behind. If he won those matches, his slam record would be secured.

It is what it is and if Rafa breaks Fed's slam record, it will be fully deserved. Serves Fed right for not beating rafa when he had the chance.
On TTW Federer is typically in past-prime state.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/feds-past-his-prime.184691/#post-2141331
 
I'm more impressed with his 2005 - 2006 clay seasons. He won nine BO5 finals and the clay competition was higher, with the likes of peak Federer (before he developed mentalidous when facing Rafa), Gaudio, Ferrero, Coria (remember the 2005 Rome final), and a doping Puerta. I think 2005-2006 Nadal would beat 2012-13 Nadal.
I agree with the competition depth. 2013 was a pretty strong clay year to. His speed and athletic ability was off the chain in 2005-2006. I feel in 2012-13 he became better technically with his shots like the serving and finishing points earlier. It would be tough for both versions anyway and could very well go 5.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
I am going to be honest: the Wimb 2008 and AO 2009 final losses are the main reason why the slam race is as tight as it is.
I think USO 2009 is far worse for Roger, since he imploded and lost the match from a winning position to a non-ATG. Del Po has done nothing slam-worthy since then and it's been a full decade. That loss was brutal because Del Po is hardly an ATG and Roger was prohibitively favored to win that match.

I also think losing the 2005 AO after holding a MP against Marat in the semi was another lost slam (he would have easily beaten Hewitt in that final). 2009 AO was a choke, pure and simple. I sometimes watch that match again on DVR and Fred Stolle says three times while commentating, "I can't believe Roger's mental collapse here. This is something I haven't seen from a great player in my entire broadcasting career!"
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm having horrible flashbacks to Federer's pathetic level of play in the first two sets.
The mental scarring from FO 2008 was clearly bottling him up and there's really no excuse for that. Nadal's level of play was actually higher in the 2007 final, except for his 0/4 BP's in the fifth set of that match.
 

duaneeo

Hall of Fame
I think USO 2009 is far worse for Roger, since he imploded and lost the match from a winning position to a non-ATG. Del Po has done nothing slam-worthy since then and it's been a full decade. That loss was brutal because Del Po is hardly an ATG and Roger was prohibitively favored to win that match.

I also think losing the 2005 AO after holding a MP against Marat in the semi was another lost slam (he would have easily beaten Hewitt in that final). 2009 AO was a choke, pure and simple. I sometimes watch that match again on DVR and Fred Stolle says three times while commentating, "I can't believe Roger's mental collapse here. This is something I haven't seen from a great player in my entire broadcasting career!"
After going up 2-1 at 2009 USO, I think Roger assumed Delpo would fold. But Delpo didn't fold, and worst, the crowd started rooting WILDLY for Delpo. Roger isn't used to the crowd rooting so wildly for his opponent, and I think he went shell-shocked.

The between-the-legs shot Roger attempted on match point at the 05 AO always bothered me. It wasn't his only option, and his attempt to make a headline-making return winner on match point came back to bite him.
 

DSH

Hall of Fame
Nadal's peak/prime is debatable. I think Nadal 2005 - 2010 would beat post-2010 Nadal on all surfaces.

Still, even if prime Nadal is post 2010, peak/prime Nadalovic only faced each at the slams for 12 months (2011 Wimbledon to 2012 Roland Garros). Since then, they've faced each other only once at Wimbledon (2018), only once at the US Open (2013), and only once at the Australian Open (2019).
No, just no.
2012 is peak Nadal on clay and 2013 is peak Nadal on hardcourts.
And he played better in Wimbledon last year than in 2006.
 

DSH

Hall of Fame
It is irrelevant to me to be honest. You guys care too much about GOATs and stuff like that. I'm happy to watch Fed as long as he can last. Let him be.

I've notice that younger people are so egocentric nowadays. They always try to prove something even when they are completely wrong. Whatever.

Do not tell!
Every day is the SAME on this board!
o_O
 

DSH

Hall of Fame
After going up 2-1 at 2009 USO, I think Roger assumed Delpo would fold. But Delpo didn't fold, and worst, the crowd started rooting WILDLY for Delpo. Roger isn't used to the crowd rooting so wildly for his opponent, and I think he went shell-shocked.

The between-the-legs shot Roger attempted on match point at the 05 AO always bothered me. It wasn't his only option, and his attempt to make a headline-making return winner on match point came back to bite him.

More importantly, it was the use of the Hawk-eye in that final.
Without this resource, in another era, even if that match had been played 3,4,5,6 years ago, Federer would have been the winner and Del Potro, the big loser.
Fortunately, the technology was implemented to avoid great injustices.

See the minute 4:54
 
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