Federer - Haas

Warriorroger

Hall of Fame
This match was one of the strangest matches of Federer I watched. Haas was playing well without a doubt, but I had the feeling Federer almost wanted Haas to win. I am a big fan of Federer, but was happy for young looking veteran Haas. Anyone who watched the match also had the idea that Federer kind of gave the match to Haas?
 
I'm really happy for Haas. I still love Fed's game and will always root for him, but I'm happy that Tommy could get a great win.

I love seeing some of the old guard making runs deep into tournaments too. It's too bad Nalby kicked that chair guard/linesperson, because he was doing the same thing at Queens.

I hope over the next year or so that we get a nice mix of the older generation (Fed, Nalby, Haas) and some of the youth (Raonic, Tomic, Dimitrov, Harrison) in the mix with the current players in their primes (Nadal, Djoker, Murray).

It won't happen, but it would be awesome.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
This match was one of the strangest matches of Federer I watched. Haas was playing well without a doubt, but I had the feeling Federer almost wanted Haas to win. I am a big fan of Federer, but was happy for young looking veteran Haas. Anyone who watched the match also had the idea that Federer kind of gave the match to Haas?
I didn't see the match but that wouldn't make any sense at all. Why would Federer want to tank an ATP final, especially one that's a key warm-up event for Wimbledon? He'd surely want to win it and send a message to his rivals ahead of the big one in SW19! Nor would he be doing Haas any favours by 'handing him the title'. It would actually be an insult implying that Haas wasn't good enough to win it on his own merits.

I think we get too much of this kind of talk when top players like Federer or Nadal lose a match. It isn't always because they were too tired or too injured or too out-of-sorts or that they plain just didn't care. It's quite often because their opponents were just better players on the day. More often than some of us might like to think!
 

10is

Professional
I agree! Glad to see others who thought the same. For me it was almost a foregone conclusion. Too much history between the two, especially in the context of Haas's comeback swan song at 34, playing in front of his home crowd and the relative non-significance of the title for Federer. Not tanking "exactly" but I got the same feeling as you did, almost like Federer wanted Tommy to win and was quite happy that he was able to.

I am certain, friend or no friend, this would not have been the case if they had met at Wimbledon. I consider myself amongst the minority of Federer fans here most of whom are utterly nonplussed by this loss. The overreation and drama is amusing to behold though.
 
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xanctus

Semi-Pro
Regardless what's the conspiracy theories behind this, it was great to see veteran on finals and respect each other at the shake hands! props to both of them!
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
This match was one of the strangest matches of Federer I watched. Haas was playing well without a doubt, but I had the feeling Federer almost wanted Haas to win. I am a big fan of Federer, but was happy for young looking veteran Haas. Anyone who watched the match also had the idea that Federer kind of gave the match to Haas?
I was live at the Gerry-Weber-Stadion yesterday and somehow I can understand your opinion. But Federer had a very strong start into the match and I think he would have cruised straight through this final if he got the double break in the first set. Hed had a big chance but missed. After that Haas came back very strong and finally took the tiebreak.

Onwards I had your feeling as well, as if Federer thought "Tommy fights so well for his comeback win and I don't want to spoil his party in Germany". It is also very important for Haas to get a good ranking so that he ist directly qualified for bigger events now.

The interviews after the match showed that Roger was not frustrated at all but only happy for Tommy.
 

Warriorroger

Hall of Fame
I was live at the Gerry-Weber-Stadion yesterday and somehow I can understand your opinion. But Federer had a very strong start into the match and I think he would have cruised straight through this final if he got the double break in the first set. Hed had a big chance but missed. After that Haas came back very strong and finally took the tiebreak.

Onwards I had your feeling as well, as if Federer thought "Tommy fights so well for his comeback win and I don't want to spoil his party in Germany". It is also very important for Haas to get a good ranking so that he ist directly qualified for bigger events now.

The interviews after the match showed that Roger was not frustrated at all but only happy for Tommy.
Agree with you totally about Roger's start. I don;t know, maybe he underestimated Haas a little bit, but after the first set I got a feel that it was okay with Roger either way. Again I am happy for Haas, but watching it from telly, I had this feeling. Thanks for responding.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
anyone remember this comment by Haas in 2006?

"If you ask Jim Courier, I mean, that guy has his tongue up (Roger Federer's) ass, I think...you know, the whole time when you actually listen to him commentating or listen to him talk about Roger Federer. Sometimes makes me sick almost."
and this as well

"Everybody is talking about (Federer) being maybe the greatest ever," Haas said. "He still has to do a couple of things in my mind ... maybe this guy wins 15 Grand Slams."
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Maybe Federer knew he wouldn't have space in his trophy cabinet for another one of those huge (and not very attractive) champion's trophies anyway. :wink: LOL

But seriously, I don't think Federer tanked. If he actually wanted Haas to win, why would he have challenged all those line calls? I mean, if you want the other guy to win, why challenge a call instead of just giving the point to the other guy by not challenging?
 

gsharma

Professional
I didn't see the match but that wouldn't make any sense at all. Why would Federer want to tank an ATP final, especially one that's a key warm-up event for Wimbledon? He'd surely want to win it and send a message to his rivals ahead of the big one in SW19! Nor would he be doing Haas any favours by 'handing him the title'. It would actually be an insult implying that Haas wasn't good enough to win it on his own merits.

I think we get too much of this kind of talk when top players like Federer or Nadal lose a match. It isn't always because they were too tired or too injured or too out-of-sorts or that they plain just didn't care. It's quite often because their opponents were just better players on the day. More often than some of us might like to think!
Agree with you, champions don't lose on purpose.
 

Rhino

Legend
Well it wasn't fun to watch for a Federer fan. The amount of balls Fed sent into the net was insane.

I didn't think he looked that great in the Roland Garros semifinal either.

I'd be surprised if he let Haas win, but I'd prefer that to having to accept that Federer's level is that low right before Wimbledon.
 

cknobman

Legend
I dont think Federer "tanked" or "gave" the match.

I do think Federer was not very focused or determined in that match.

What I am struggling with is, was Federers lack of focus/determination a conscious or unconscious decision?

These days it seems like Federer is mentally out of too many matches and I don't see him being able to hold it together long enough to win another GS. His game is by far enough to win one but his mental drive and determination are not.
 

Matt H.

Professional
i think there's a difference between tanking/purposefully letting your opponent win....and perhaps just not digging deep and having the desire to truly want that win.

If he was going to tank the final, why even make it to the final? It's a 250 event. Why play all 5 matches? Win or lose, he was committed to playing at the event thru Sunday evening.
 

athiker

Hall of Fame
I like Federer and catch as many of his matches I can, but he still has sights on regaining #1 ranking so is looking for points. He also has an ego bigger than the size of Switzerland and there is no way he tanked the match. I don't mean the ego comment as negative as it might sound, it doesn't spill out in bad behavior and an overly negative way...but its there as one might suspect from a guy with his talents and career. Just suggesting its a stretch to say he tanked this match.

I do think he was happy for Haas after it was over, and the net greeting seemed very sincere, but tank...no.

One thing that seems to stick out to me lately in Fed matches is he seems reluctant to take the extra step or half step back to really line up on a deep ball and whack his forehand. He takes the ball early, I know that takes away time from your opponent, but he seems to do it a lot almost like a half volley and the ball goes back with not much on it. He's not stepping into it and using his opponents pace to send a heater back by taking it early like maybe Agassi often did. It seems like if he took a half step back he would send it back with both direction and pace vs almost blocking/half volleying it back to set up his opponent. Am I seeing things?

Also in this particular match, besides his usual bad shanks, he seemed to an unusual amount of "standard" groundstrokes just a bit long.
 
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