Federer had best season in tennis history (2006), not Novak.

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First of all, let me say that I am from Serbia, and HUGE Novak fan.Also I don't like Federer way to much, because I think he is a sore looser. I respect his game, just don't like him personally.


Having said that, I have to say that... many people constantly talk how Novak had the best season in tennis history. In my opinion he had 2nd best season.


Even though Novak won record 5 masters in one season, and 3 grand slams, and 10 titles overall, Roger won also 3 grand slams, but he played ALL FOUR finals. And Roger also won 4 masters, and final masters cup, and winning final masters cup is more important then winning any masters tournament.


Now, you might say that Novak had tougher rivals in 2011, which I agree. He beat player No1 and later No2 Rafael Nadal, 6 times in finals, which is incredible, unlike Roger who played Baghdatis in Aus Open final, and in Masters final players like Blake, Ljubicic, Gasquet. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT!

We are talking about who had THE BEST SEASON in tennis history. And to determent that, you consider who won most titles, and the answer is Roger Federer.
 
I like Roger but rebuttal can be Novak won his 10 titles across 3 surfaces whereas Roger won his on only 2.
 
Semi-Pro said:
I wasn't around back then but I think he didn't even participate in the French! So how come his 1974 is the best?
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Connors was banned from the 1974 French Open due to his participation in World Team Tennis that year. Connors went to Paris and took legal action against the French Tennis Federation, but lost the case.
 
Semi-Pro said:
I wasn't around back then but I think he didn't even participate in the French! So how come his 1974 is the best?
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He was barred from participating in the French, it's not like he just chose to skip it. He went 3/3 in the slams in which he was allowed to compete, only lost 4 matches total, and won 15 total tournaments.
 
Mike Sams said:
Nobody cares about 1969. Laver didn't have to face the wrath of Rafa on clay where Nadal's balls would be sailing over the 5'5" Laver's head. :lol:
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Yeah, and in 1969 Nadal and Djokovic would not be able to hit a ball that bounces over Laver's head to save their lives. Not with 16 oz wooden racquets, 65 sq inch heads, slick grass courts, and natural gut strings. :lol:

Djokovic hit with a wood racquet for 20 minutes in a tiny promotional event and then went on about how difficult it was to play with those racquets. Nadal's ball? In 1969? My ass. :lol:

It is nice to see Djokovic is not a simpleton like so many tennis fans these days. He actually understands that tennis was played before he was born.
 
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Sid_Vicious said:
Yeah, and in 1969 Nadal and Djokovic would not be able to hit a ball that bounces over Laver's head to save their lives. Not with 16 oz wooden racquets, 65 sq inch heads, slick grass courts, and natural gut strings. :lol:

Djokovic hit with a wood racquet for 20 minutes in a tiny promotional event and then went on and on about how difficult it was to play with those racquets. Nadal's ball? In 1969? My ass. :lol:

It is nice to see Djokovic is not a simpleton like so many tennis fans these days. He actually understands that tennis was played before he was born.
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Neither of them did. Laver's 1969, Connors's 1974, and McEnroe's 1984 were all better than both. That is just the Open Era, pre Open Era there are some others as well.
 
NadalAgassi said:
Neither of them did. Laver's 1969, Connors's 1974, and McEnroe's 1984 were all better than both. That is just the Open Era, pre Open Era there are some others as well.
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I agree but....
They don't count according to Mike Sams. Laver was too short to handle Nadal's spin. :)
 
NadalAgassi said:
Neither of them did. Laver's 1969, Connors's 1974, and McEnroe's 1984 were all better than both. That is just the Open Era, pre Open Era there are some others as well.
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I agree with Laver's 69 and Connor's 74... but Mac's 84 doesnt trump either Federer's or Djokovic's honestly..

Djokovic didnt choke in any major, he was outplayed by Fed in the FO, and won the other 3. Mac was up 2 sets to love on Lendl then bombed it... that's what makes it lower than the other two for me.

As for 2006, Federer won 12 titles, and while he lost two BIG matches that year (Rome final, RG final), he STILL won 3 majors/12 titles... I mean cmon, wasn't it like 16 of 17 events in the FINAL? how is Mac's above that??
 
Mike Sams said:
Nobody cares about 1969. Laver didn't have to face the wrath of Rafa on clay where Nadal's balls would be sailing over the 5'5" Laver's head. :lol:
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Laver had Nadal for a brunch snack, after having Djoko for breakfast.

The Rocket took Nadal's balls out of the air and crushed them into the court, . . . and then they just died.

Nobody means you.
 
Cup8489 said:
I agree with Laver's 69 and Connor's 74... but Mac's 84 doesnt trump either Federer's or Djokovic's honestly..

Djokovic didnt choke in any major, he was outplayed by Fed in the FO, and won the other 3. Mac was up 2 sets to love on Lendl then bombed it... that's what makes it lower than the other two for me.

As for 2006, Federer won 12 titles, and while he lost two BIG matches that year (Rome final, RG final), he STILL won 3 majors/12 titles... I mean cmon, wasn't it like 16 of 17 events in the FINAL? how is Mac's above that??
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McEnroe's W-L record is still unmatched all these years later (and the only one who even came close was Federer in the very year he lost in the semis of 2 slams and lost the WTF too). For that to be true nearly 3 decades later is impressive.

You could say McEnroe is the one who choked in a big match, but one could also say that the only big match he lost (even on clay where in a normal year he is a virtual irrelevance) was by such a blatant choke, shows the only one who could beat McEnroe in 1984 was McEnroe which wasnt true of Federer any year (Nadal was always capable, especialy on clay), or Djokovic last year (Federer was capable).

Anyway we both agree neither Federer's 2006 or Djokovic's 2011 is the best year ever. That was my main point.
 
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NadalAgassi said:
McEnroe's W-L record is still unmatched all these years later (and the only one who even came close was Federer in the very year he lost in the semis of 2 slams and lost the WTF too). For that to be true nearly 3 decades later is impressive.

You could say McEnroe is the one who choked in a big match, but one could also say that the only big match he lost (even on clay where in a normal year he is a virtual irrelevance) was by such a blatant choke, shows the only one who could beat McEnroe in 1984 was McEnroe which wasnt true of Federer any year (Nadal was always capable, especialy on clay), or Djokovic last year (Federer was capable).

Anyway we both agree neither Federer's 2006 or Djokovic's 2011 is the best year ever. That was my main point.
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Fair enough, I just think Mac's 84 is overhyped somewhat.. everyone cares about his W/L percentage that year.. and while I agree with your point about the choke in FO, it still happened, and thus my main beef with his season.
 
Sid_Vicious said:
How do you like playing with Maxplys?
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I actually have a Maxply Fort, Medium weight and a 4 3/4(!) grip and with the old gut that's still in them, it's an absolute log. It's really dependent on how fast you swing it, or rather how fast your body tolerates you to swing it. It's possible though to destroy the ball, but you don't do it often before being tired.
 
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Achilles82 said:
First of all, let me say that I am from Serbia, and HUGE Novak fan.Also I don't like Federer way to much, because I think he is a sore looser. I respect his game, just don't like him personally.


Having said that, I have to say that... many people constantly talk how Novak had the best season in tennis history. In my opinion he had 2nd best season.


Even though Novak won record 5 masters in one season, and 3 grand slams, and 10 titles overall, Roger won also 3 grand slams, but he played ALL FOUR finals. And Roger also won 4 masters, and final masters cup, and winning final masters cup is more important then winning any masters tournament.


Now, you might say that Novak had tougher rivals in 2011, which I agree. He beat player No1 and later No2 Rafael Nadal, 6 times in finals, which is incredible, unlike Roger who played Baghdatis in Aus Open final, and in Masters final players like Blake, Ljubicic, Gasquet. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT!

We are talking about who had THE BEST SEASON in tennis history. And to determent that, you consider who won most titles, and the answer is Roger Federer.
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PATHETIC argument... I am also not a Fed fan but i really do respect him as GOAT. the thing is if we are talking about titles, then Laver won all the 4 Majors in 69 and not a lot of people say thats the greatest season. And if we ARE talking about the no of titles than Fed won 9 titles in 06 and Jokovic won 10 titles. Plus, the stronger the competition, the more difficult it is to win. You are an IDIOT if you did not take that into account. Thats the biggest factor when u r comparing the 2 seasons. Fed played players like Baghdatis, Roddick, baby Nadal, Blake, Gasquet in finals to win tournaments. Jokovic played against Nadal (6 times!), Fed and Murray CONSTANTLY in finals to win.
BAD reasons for this argument...
 
funny hypocrite moment:

rogi dodgy's accusation that djoker was so thoughtless and ungrateful that he quit playing in the middle of federina matches.



"It's one of the greatest wins of my life, no that's wrong, it's the greatest win of my life," said Isner at courtside after the two-hour 39-minute contest.
Mardy Fish had earlier edged Stanislas Wawrinka 6-2 4-6 4-6 6-1 9-7 as Switzerland's bid to reach the quarter-finals for the first time since 2004 got off to the worst possible start against the team that beat them in the 1992 final.
"The mission was to go out there and not allow an artist a canvas to work with," U.S. captain Jim Courier said of Isner's victory.

nothing worse than courier pretending he loves isner's game as long as his hero federina is in sight. googly eyed courier. sad.
 
Apun94 said:
PATHETIC argument... I am also not a Fed fan but i really do respect him as GOAT. the thing is if we are talking about titles, then Laver won all the 4 Majors in 69 and not a lot of people say thats the greatest season. And if we ARE talking about the no of titles than Fed won 9 titles in 06 and Jokovic won 10 titles. Plus, the stronger the competition, the more difficult it is to win. You are an IDIOT if you did not take that into account. Thats the biggest factor when u r comparing the 2 seasons. Fed played players like Baghdatis, Roddick, baby Nadal, Blake, Gasquet in finals to win tournaments. Jokovic played against Nadal (6 times!), Fed and Murray CONSTANTLY in finals to win.
BAD reasons for this argument...
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Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but please get your fact rights. Things you should check:
- # of titles won by Federer in 2006
- # of finals won by Djokovic against Federer in 2011
- # of finals won by Djokovic against Murray in 2011

After you do, you might consider rewriting your whole post... ;)
 
Here's my argument for John McEnroe's '84.

Not only did he have what I believe is still the highest winning percentage of all-time at 96.47% (82-3), but he also was ranked number one in the world in BOTH singles and doubles in the same year.

He won Wimbledon and the US Open and had the French Open won (which still haunts him to this day.) He also won the WCT Finals and The Masters year end championships.

I know this thread is focused primarily on everybody's singles records, but I don't know how you can discount a guy who dominated across the board like that.
 
federer was facing a weak djoker in 2007 and 2008 (except in the australian open).
fed didn't play much on clay because he lost to kuerten, volandri, soderling, melzer and montanes, & almost lost to ramirez-hidalgo. there are only 2 grass events and roddick did the dirty job of beating federer competition.
 
Apun94 said:
PATHETIC argument... I am also not a Fed fan but i really do respect him as GOAT. the thing is if we are talking about titles, then Laver won all the 4 Majors in 69 and not a lot of people say thats the greatest season. And if we ARE talking about the no of titles than Fed won 9 titles in 06 and Jokovic won 10 titles. Plus, the stronger the competition, the more difficult it is to win. You are an IDIOT if you did not take that into account. Thats the biggest factor when u r comparing the 2 seasons. Fed played players like Baghdatis, Roddick, baby Nadal, Blake, Gasquet in finals to win tournaments. Jokovic played against Nadal (6 times!), Fed and Murray CONSTANTLY in finals to win.
BAD reasons for this argument...
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LOL, this is the same account as the OP, he's arguing with himself. In both cases it has nothing to do with which season was best but trying to argue that Fed played in a weak era. LOLLLLLLLL too transparent moron.
 
jackson vile said:
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As I said in my first post it does take at least half a brain, so no worries I know not all will see through. Case in point ;)
 
Semi-Pro said:
I like Roger but rebuttal can be Novak won his 10 titles across 3 surfaces whereas Roger won his on only 2.
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So Novak's season was the best because he won tournaments on 3 different surfaces, and Roger won tournaments on only 2? Come on please...


Let's just count points...

Roger Federer

  1. Aus open - 2000
  2. French - 1200
  3. Wimb-2000
  4. US open - 2000
  6. Ind wells - 1000
  7. Miami-1000
  8. Monte Carlo - 600
  9. Rome - 600
  10. Canada- 1000
  11. Cincinnati -10
  12. Madrid -1000
  14. WTF -1500
  16. Tokio - 500
  17. Basel - 500
  18. Dubai - 300
  20. Doha - 250
  21. Halle- 250

Total points = 15710

Novak Djokovic

  1. Aus open - 2000
  2. French - 720
  3. Wimb-2000
  4. US open - 2000
  6. Ind wells - 1000
  7. Miami-1000
  8. Rome - 1000
  9. Madrid -1000
  10. Canada- 1000
  11. Cincinnati -600
  12. Paris - 180
  14. WTF -200
  16. Basel - 180
  17. Dubai - 500
  19. Belgrade - 250

Total points = 13630

2080 points more then Novak. Novak could have won 1 more grand slam, and still would have less points then Roger.


Mustard said:
Connors in 1974 is the best. He lost no big match that year at all.
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Sid_Vicious said:
1969? Laver winning all 4.
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I know that I said titles is all that matters, but comparing Novaks 2011 and Rogers 2006 season, with Lavers 1969 or Connors in 1974 is ridiculous, and I don't even want to get in an argument about that.

They were the best for there time.

Who was the best player in the world, or who had the greater season, in my opinion you could count since 1990, and start of ATP world tour. Since then tennis got on a whole new level, and Roger's 2006 was the most successful.
 
U kill me. fed fanboy pretends fed played a lot of finals with great players in 2003 too. LOLOLOL they have to confess that roddick was a clown and a liar. LOLOLOL
 
Cup8489 said:
I agree with Laver's 69 and Connor's 74... but Mac's 84 doesnt trump either Federer's or Djokovic's honestly..

Djokovic didnt choke in any major, he was outplayed by Fed in the FO, and won the other 3. Mac was up 2 sets to love on Lendl then bombed it... that's what makes it lower than the other two for me.

As for 2006, Federer won 12 titles, and while he lost two BIG matches that year (Rome final, RG final), he STILL won 3 majors/12 titles... I mean cmon, wasn't it like 16 of 17 events in the FINAL? how is Mac's above that??
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Yes but Mcenroe also dominated the doubles along with singles which makes his season all the more impressive(to me atleast).

NadalAgassi said:
McEnroe's W-L record is still unmatched all these years later (and the only one who even came close was Federer in the very year he lost in the semis of 2 slams and lost the WTF too). For that to be true nearly 3 decades later is impressive.

You could say McEnroe is the one who choked in a big match, but one could also say that the only big match he lost (even on clay where in a normal year he is a virtual irrelevance) was by such a blatant choke, shows the only one who could beat McEnroe in 1984 was McEnroe which wasnt true of Federer any year (Nadal was always capable, especialy on clay), or Djokovic last year (Federer was capable).

Anyway we both agree neither Federer's 2006 or Djokovic's 2011 is the best year ever. That was my main point.
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I watched the match a few years back and honestly this notion that Mcenroe choked is a bit overrated to be honest, as far as I remember(will have to rewatch it again sometime) he wasn't even up a break in the 3d set(though he was up 4-2 in the 4th set) and in the end just got outlasted by a fitter opponent.

If anything you could say he was lucky Lendl(by far the better CC player) was so nervous in the first 2 sets.
 
devila said:
U kill me. fed fanboy pretends fed played a lot of finals with great players in 2003 too. LOLOLOL they have to confess that roddick was a clown and a liar. LOLOLOL
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Hewitt fans claim he was injured most of the time, same with Safin fans as well.
 
Achilles82 said:
First of all, let me say that I am from Serbia, and HUGE Novak fan.Also I don't like Federer way to much, because I think he is a sore looser. I respect his game, just don't like him personally.


Having said that, I have to say that... many people constantly talk how Novak had the best season in tennis history. In my opinion he had 2nd best season.


Even though Novak won record 5 masters in one season, and 3 grand slams, and 10 titles overall, Roger won also 3 grand slams, but he played ALL FOUR finals. And Roger also won 4 masters, and final masters cup, and winning final masters cup is more important then winning any masters tournament.


Now, you might say that Novak had tougher rivals in 2011, which I agree. He beat player No1 and later No2 Rafael Nadal, 6 times in finals, which is incredible, unlike Roger who played Baghdatis in Aus Open final, and in Masters final players like Blake, Ljubicic, Gasquet. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT!

We are talking about who had THE BEST SEASON in tennis history. And to determent that, you consider who won most titles, and the answer is Roger Federer.
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Ever? how long have you been on tennis?
 
merlinpinpin said:
Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but please get your fact rights. Things you should check:
- # of titles won by Federer in 2006
- # of finals won by Djokovic against Federer in 2011
- # of finals won by Djokovic against Murray in 2011

After you do, you might consider rewriting your whole post... ;)
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I pretty sure Fed won 9 titles in 06. However, yes you are right about my other statement. Jokovic beat Murray and Fed mostly in semis, not in finals. In finals he defeated Nadal...
 
DjokovicForTheWin said:
LOL, this is the same account as the OP, he's arguing with himself. In both cases it has nothing to do with which season was best but trying to argue that Fed played in a weak era. LOLLLLLLLL too transparent moron.
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OK, so u believe (like many other people) that Fed played his peak in a good strong era. Then PLEASE tell me Fed's main rivals at that time, and please tell me if any of them CONSISTENTLY challenged Fed tournament after tournament and also PLEASE tell me if any of them are at the same level as Jokovic, Nadal and Murray...
 
Apun94 said:
I pretty sure Fed won 9 titles in 06. However, yes you are right about my other statement. Jokovic beat Murray and Fed mostly in semis, not in finals. In finals he defeated Nadal...
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FEDERER, ROGER.

(12) Tennis Masters Cup (Indoor/Hard) , Basel (Indoor/Carpet) , ATP Masters Series Madrid (Indoor/Hard) , Tokyo (Outdoor/Hard) , US Open (Outdoor/Hard) , ATP Masters Series Canada (Outdoor/Hard) , Wimbledon (Outdoor/Grass) , Halle (Outdoor/Grass) , ATP Masters Series Miami (Outdoor/Hard) , ATP Masters Series Indian Wells (Outdoor/Hard) , Australian Open (Outdoor/Hard) , Doha (Outdoor/Hard)
 
Achilles82 said:
I know that I said titles is all that matters, but comparing Novaks 2011 and Rogers 2006 season, with Lavers 1969 or Connors in 1974 is ridiculous, and I don't even want to get in an argument about that.

They were the best for there time.

Who was the best player in the world, or who had the greater season, in my opinion you could count since 1990, and start of ATP world tour. Since then tennis got on a whole new level, and Roger's 2006 was the most successful.
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Apun94 said:
I pretty sure Fed won 9 titles in 06. However, yes you are right about my other statement. Jokovic beat Murray and Fed mostly in semis, not in finals. In finals he defeated Nadal...
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No, you're wrong. He won 12. I'm not even saying that Federer's 2006 is the greatest season ever, others have at least as good a claim to it (different times, too, so always the same unconclusive arguments), but it seems to me that it trumps Djokovic's 2011 in just about every way:

- Grand slam tournaments: Fed 2006 > Djok 2011
- Tournaments won: Fed 2006 > Djok 2011
- Win/loss ratio: Fed 2006 > Djok 2011
- Bigger tournaments won: Fed 2006 > Djok 2011

The only thing Djok 2011 has is the beginning of the year streak, but this is strongly offset in that he was out of the game from September on. So I don't know how people can even make a case for it, except that maybe they forgot what happened just a few years back.
 
Achilles82 said:
I know that I said titles is all that matters, but comparing Novaks 2011 and Rogers 2006 season, with Lavers 1969 or Connors in 1974 is ridiculous, and I don't even want to get in an argument about that.

They were the best for there time.

Who was the best player in the world, or who had the greater season, in my opinion you could count since 1990, and start of ATP world tour. Since then tennis got on a whole new level, and Roger's 2006 was the most successful.
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Your comments are stupid. If only since 1990 matters then say "in the last 20 years" or of recent times, dont say "best ever" since you are admitting you arent even considering much of history.
 
NadalAgassi said:
Your comments are stupid. If only since 1990 matters then say "in the last 20 years" or of recent times, dont say "best ever" since you are admitting you arent even considering much of history.
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Last 20 years are best ever. Competition is 10 times harder, and winning tournaments is 10 times harder.
 
Sid_Vicious said:
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what do you mean NO! Bjorn, Laver, Mcenro, they all skipped like half tournaments. Bjorn played 1 time australian open. McEnroe also played Aus open few times. Laver in 1969? Forget about it... that wasn't even an open era.


They were great for there time. And they are big part in evolution of tennis. Because of them, we now have players like Nadal, Federer and Djokovic, but who was best ever, basically it's since 1990.
 
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