"All hail, the new king in town"Sounds like we all agree that the age of ultron is boring
Federer had it the toughest out of the Big 3
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tennisaddict
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Sounds like we all agree that the age of ultron is boring
Not for those who find Raonic and Thiem exhilarating
NatF
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@Rafa the King
Just FYI looking at who I think are probably the best performers of each era (Fed's and Nadal's). Feel free to add any others you think deserve mention.
Federer has played;
Djokovic: 45 times
Murray: 25 times
Wawrinka: 21 times
Del Potro: 20 times
Cilic: 7 times
Berdych: 22 times
Tsonga: 17 times
Nadal's era/gen players: 157 times
Hewitt: 27 times
Roddick: 24 times
Agassi: 11 times
Safin: 12 times
Davydenko: 21 times
Nalbandian: 19 times
Ferrer: 16 times
Ferrero: 13 times
Federer's era/gen players: 143 times.
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Nadal has played those same players:
Djokovic: 49 times
Murray: 24 times
Wawrinka: 18 times
Del Potro: 13 times
Cilic: 4 times
Berdych: 23 times
Tsonga: 12 times
Nadal's era/gen players: 143 times
Hewitt: 11 times
Roddick: 10 times
Agassi: 2 times
Safin: 2 times
Davydenko: 11 times
Nalbandian: 7 times
Ferrer: 30 times
Ferrero: 9 times
Federer's era/gen players: 82 times
So tell me more how Nadal has faced without doubt tougher competition? If you want to cherry pick prime matches lets cherry pick matches that happened on these players best surfaces as well
Cherry picking slam matches won't help you either.
But keep preaching that Nadal fanboy dogma about competition
Just FYI looking at who I think are probably the best performers of each era (Fed's and Nadal's). Feel free to add any others you think deserve mention.
Federer has played;
Djokovic: 45 times
Murray: 25 times
Wawrinka: 21 times
Del Potro: 20 times
Cilic: 7 times
Berdych: 22 times
Tsonga: 17 times
Nadal's era/gen players: 157 times
Hewitt: 27 times
Roddick: 24 times
Agassi: 11 times
Safin: 12 times
Davydenko: 21 times
Nalbandian: 19 times
Ferrer: 16 times
Ferrero: 13 times
Federer's era/gen players: 143 times.
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Nadal has played those same players:
Djokovic: 49 times
Murray: 24 times
Wawrinka: 18 times
Del Potro: 13 times
Cilic: 4 times
Berdych: 23 times
Tsonga: 12 times
Nadal's era/gen players: 143 times
Hewitt: 11 times
Roddick: 10 times
Agassi: 2 times
Safin: 2 times
Davydenko: 11 times
Nalbandian: 7 times
Ferrer: 30 times
Ferrero: 9 times
Federer's era/gen players: 82 times
So tell me more how Nadal has faced without doubt tougher competition? If you want to cherry pick prime matches lets cherry pick matches that happened on these players best surfaces as well
Cherry picking slam matches won't help you either.But keep preaching that Nadal fanboy dogma about competition
FiReFTW
Legend
Lets say all 3 are born the same year, here is how their seasons would overlap:
I will use % to determine how much chance each has for any of the slams
2009 Djokovic season=2008 Nadal season=2003 Federer season:
AO- None
RG-Nadal 100%
W- Fed 75% Nadal 25%
USO- None
2010 Djokovic season=2009 Nadal season=2004 Federer season:
AO- Fed 65% Nadal 35%
RG- None
W- Fed 100%
USO- Fed 100%
2011 Djokovic season=2010 Nadal season=2005 Federer season:
AO- Djokovic 80% Federer 20%
RG- Nadal 100%
W- Fed 70% Djokovic 20% Nadal 10%
USO- Fed 70% Djokovic 30%
2012 Djokovic season=2011 Nadal season=2006 Federer season:
AO- Djokovic 100%
RG- Nadal 100%
W- Fed 100%
USO- Fed 100%
2013 Djokovic season=2012 Nadal season=2007 Federer season:
AO- Djokovic 100%
RG- Nadal 100%
W- Fed 100%
USO- Fed 100%
2014 Djokovic season=2013 Nadal season=2008 Federer season:
AO- Fed 100%
RG- Nadal 100%
W- Fed 60% Djokovic 40%
USO- Fed 100%
2015 Djokovic season=2014 Nadal season=2009 Federer season:
AO- Djokovic 65% Fed 35%
RG- Nadal 100%
W- Fed 70% Djokovic 30%
USO- Fed 65% Djokovic 35%
2016 Djokovic season=2015 Nadal season=2010 Federer season:
AO- Djokovic 60% Federer 40%
RG- Djokovic 100%
W- None
USO- Federer 100%
I took injuries and bad performances into account, so if a player was injured in a certain year he pretty much has no chance to win that tournament.
So all in all, if all players played in prime, here are the amount of grandslams they would have in this time period of 8 years:
Federer
19 GS at most
16 GS most likely
9 GS certainly
Nadal
9 GS at most (+3 from before, so 12 GS total )
6 GS most likely (+3 from before, so 9 GS total )
6 GS certainly (+3 from before, so 9 GS total )
Djokovic
11 GS at most (+1 from before, so 12 GS total )
6 GS most likely (+1 from before, so 7 GS total )
4 GS certainly (+1 from before, so 5 GS total )
I will use % to determine how much chance each has for any of the slams
2009 Djokovic season=2008 Nadal season=2003 Federer season:
AO- None
RG-Nadal 100%
W- Fed 75% Nadal 25%
USO- None
2010 Djokovic season=2009 Nadal season=2004 Federer season:
AO- Fed 65% Nadal 35%
RG- None
W- Fed 100%
USO- Fed 100%
2011 Djokovic season=2010 Nadal season=2005 Federer season:
AO- Djokovic 80% Federer 20%
RG- Nadal 100%
W- Fed 70% Djokovic 20% Nadal 10%
USO- Fed 70% Djokovic 30%
2012 Djokovic season=2011 Nadal season=2006 Federer season:
AO- Djokovic 100%
RG- Nadal 100%
W- Fed 100%
USO- Fed 100%
2013 Djokovic season=2012 Nadal season=2007 Federer season:
AO- Djokovic 100%
RG- Nadal 100%
W- Fed 100%
USO- Fed 100%
2014 Djokovic season=2013 Nadal season=2008 Federer season:
AO- Fed 100%
RG- Nadal 100%
W- Fed 60% Djokovic 40%
USO- Fed 100%
2015 Djokovic season=2014 Nadal season=2009 Federer season:
AO- Djokovic 65% Fed 35%
RG- Nadal 100%
W- Fed 70% Djokovic 30%
USO- Fed 65% Djokovic 35%
2016 Djokovic season=2015 Nadal season=2010 Federer season:
AO- Djokovic 60% Federer 40%
RG- Djokovic 100%
W- None
USO- Federer 100%
I took injuries and bad performances into account, so if a player was injured in a certain year he pretty much has no chance to win that tournament.
So all in all, if all players played in prime, here are the amount of grandslams they would have in this time period of 8 years:
Federer
19 GS at most
16 GS most likely
9 GS certainly
Nadal
9 GS at most (+3 from before, so 12 GS total )
6 GS most likely (+3 from before, so 9 GS total )
6 GS certainly (+3 from before, so 9 GS total )
Djokovic
11 GS at most (+1 from before, so 12 GS total )
6 GS most likely (+1 from before, so 7 GS total )
4 GS certainly (+1 from before, so 5 GS total )
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Nice post.
Dont you think some of the difference also is Feds longevity? He had an almost 7 years period from late 2003 to early 2010, then another very good period late 2011-2012. If Djokovic doesnt get back he had 5.5 years (2011-early2016) on a very high level. Rafa had a long clay-streak but not that many years on top level at grass/HC.
Else i think they have all had years with tougher and easier competition. If Rafa could have kept his consistency at least to 30y, he would have had a good shot at the slam record.
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You must also add Feds slams from 2011 to 2016 with Nadal and Djokovic in heavy decline
. The fact that they were born 81/86/87 is in fact worst case scenario for Fed, because he got just 1 slam in his relatively good years 2011-2016 because of peak Rafa/Nole. It would be sort of how Serena has had it in her thirties .
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nowhereman
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How exactly are you doing this? You can't just say all three overlap and say they win X amount of titles without taking into account the other competition. Are 2008 Nadal, 2003 Federer, 2009 Djokovic playing in the 2003 field, the 2008 field or the 2009 field? Same goes for the other years.
Rafa the King
Hall of Fame
@Rafa the King
Just FYI looking at who I think are probably the best performers of each era (Fed's and Nadal's). Feel free to add any others you think deserve mention.
Federer has played;
Djokovic: 45 times
Murray: 25 times
Wawrinka: 21 times
Del Potro: 20 times
Cilic: 7 times
Berdych: 22 times
Tsonga: 17 times
Nadal's era/gen players: 157 times
Hewitt: 27 times
Roddick: 24 times
Agassi: 11 times
Safin: 12 times
Davydenko: 21 times
Nalbandian: 19 times
Ferrer: 16 times
Ferrero: 13 times
Federer's era/gen players: 143 times.
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Nadal has played those same players:
Djokovic: 49 times
Murray: 24 times
Wawrinka: 18 times
Del Potro: 13 times
Cilic: 4 times
Berdych: 23 times
Tsonga: 12 times
Nadal's era/gen players: 143 times
Hewitt: 11 times
Roddick: 10 times
Agassi: 2 times
Safin: 2 times
Davydenko: 11 times
Nalbandian: 7 times
Ferrer: 30 times
Ferrero: 9 times
Federer's era/gen players: 82 times
So tell me more how Nadal has faced without doubt tougher competition? If you want to cherry pick prime matches lets cherry pick matches that happened on these players best surfaces as well
But keep preaching that Nadal fanboy dogma about competition
So Federer failed against Rafa's generation because he managed 5 slams from 2008 onwards in an 9 year spel. So one slam per two years (55% rate) while Rafa managed to win 3 slams in Roger's reign in a year period (2004 onwards)
@Rafa the King
Just FYI looking at who I think are probably the best performers of each era (Fed's and Nadal's). Feel free to add any others you think deserve mention.
Federer has played;
Djokovic: 45 times
Murray: 25 times
Wawrinka: 21 times
Del Potro: 20 times
Cilic: 7 times
Berdych: 22 times
Tsonga: 17 times
Nadal's era/gen players: 157 times
Hewitt: 27 times
Roddick: 24 times
Agassi: 11 times
Safin: 12 times
Davydenko: 21 times
Nalbandian: 19 times
Ferrer: 16 times
Ferrero: 13 times
Federer's era/gen players: 143 times.
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Nadal has played those same players:
Djokovic: 49 times
Murray: 24 times
Wawrinka: 18 times
Del Potro: 13 times
Cilic: 4 times
Berdych: 23 times
Tsonga: 12 times
Nadal's era/gen players: 143 times
Hewitt: 11 times
Roddick: 10 times
Agassi: 2 times
Safin: 2 times
Davydenko: 11 times
Nalbandian: 7 times
Ferrer: 30 times
Ferrero: 9 times
Federer's era/gen players: 82 times
So tell me more how Nadal has faced without doubt tougher competition? If you want to cherry pick prime matches lets cherry pick matches that happened on these players best surfaces as well
But keep preaching that Nadal fanboy dogma about competition
You make a good point, so I will concede the argument on general tour as a whole. I however still believe that Rafa played the better Tier 1 ATGs in their peak. His slam tally would have been even higher had he had the sort of outlet Fed and Nole had in an era without a Tier 1 ATG in their prime. Give Rafa a tour in his peak in which he is only challenged by an amazing grass-courter and he'd also be winning 2-3 slams a year for consecutive years.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
5 majors in 5 years (2008-2012) = one per year, no failure.
As I had already posted elsewhere, 31 is the true age barrier - the number of Slam winners (Open era) per age plummets dramatically past 31. That's when the age factor becomes critical and "Оlderer" appears. Incidentally, Laver won the Grand Slam aged 30-31 (he turned 31 a month before winning the USO and completing the CYGS) and didn't win a major afterwards.
InsideOut900
Legend
2004 Roddick at Wimby and Agassi at USO in the wind have a good chance to beat 2010 Nadal.
2005 Safin could potentially beat any Nadal on Rebound Ace.
And Nadal never shown Slam winning form at both HC Major in any year.
It would take an uber weak year,where matches like 2011 USO/Wimby final or 08 USO would translate in slam wins.
Other than Wimbledon 2007 and AO 12 Nadal is not winning extra slams.
On the other hand he could see Slams be taken away from him by Federer's rivals.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
We're in the age of Murray now mateSounds like we all agree that the age of ultron is boring
NatF
Bionic Poster
I'll enjoy quoting Rafa's slam numbers from 2014 onwards to you with respects to the Raonic/Dimitrov generation etc...He won 5 slams up until he reached 31 years old. Most players don't win majors after that. Should I blame the competition for why Nadal hasn't reach a slam SF in over 2 years?
I find that doubtful. But you can believe whatever hypotheticals you want. The reality is Federer is the won who won multiple slams for consecutive years. Nadal has never defended a title of clay, much less a slam. Rafa had the benefit of having his best surface being Federer's weakest and clearly not Djokovic's best either, thanks to that he racked up plenty of slam titles with competition that's really no better than that of Federer's or Djokovic's on HC or grass.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Federer had it tough, because he had to deal with the greatest on a single surface, who had at the same time match up advantage of considerable proportions and at a time, when every surface was moving in direction that favoured him.
One of these things not being presented and Federer would have steamrolled him just like everybody else and considered to have it "easy".
One of these things not being presented and Federer would have steamrolled him just like everybody else and considered to have it "easy".
GOAT anlaysis @FiReFTW
It really boils down to:
AO - Djok
RG - Nad
Wim - Fed
USO - Fed
(YEC - Fed/Djok),
hence,
2>1=1, sorry to tell you that m8
Good post, apart from Djokovic 2011-2013 favourite at AO over 2005-2007 Federer? 08 mono crappy Fed favourite over 2014 Djokovic, Wawrinka and 2014 Nadal? No chance whatsoever for any of those.
2011 post prime Fed dominated Djokovic first set of AO but then choked his serve and the match was finished then. 05-07 Fed would definitely win that match up.
Sorry, Fed dominated second set and competed evenly first set, but choked 2nd set of 2011 AO SF vs Djokovic.
Personally I think Djokovic's best slam is of course AO, but he got a bit lucky there that his main opponent was pigeon Murray and post prime / mono Fed.
IMO Prime Fed would win most encounters on all surfaces. Heck, grandad Fed deserved to win 2014 IW but sadly choked... if grandad Fed can run prime Djokovic so close, prime Fed would have a field day.
Especially on Rebound Ace, but even 09-10 AO Fed would have the edge.
Personally I think Djokovic's best slam is of course AO, but he got a bit lucky there that his main opponent was pigeon Murray and post prime / mono Fed.
IMO Prime Fed would win most encounters on all surfaces. Heck, grandad Fed deserved to win 2014 IW but sadly choked... if grandad Fed can run prime Djokovic so close, prime Fed would have a field day.
Especially on Rebound Ace, but even 09-10 AO Fed would have the edge.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Maybe if someone just started watching tennis in the past few years.
How about 1979-1986, when you had Borg leaving the sport, Connors and Mac battling it out and Lendl, Becker, Wilander and Edberg coming into their own?
InsideOut900
Legend
Some choker this guy Federer is.
He is since 2010 yes. Choked Wimbledon to Berdych. Choked double USO SF to Djokovic after outplaying him all game both times. Choked RG 2011 final first set. Choked AO SF 2011 first 2 sets. Choked IW 2014 F, choked W 2014 F. Choked USO 2015 F. I could go on but the point is he's been past his best since 2010. It's a miracle he won 2 slams, 2 x WTF, reached number 1, numerous masters, multiple wins over Djokovic and Murray, 4 further GS finals etc. Truly the GOAT.
Druss
Hall of Fame
"All hail, the new king in town"
......and lo and behold, an opioid epidemic swept through the lands as a result....
90's Clay
Banned
Nadal had it by and large the toughest no contest. His prime peak overlapped Federers, and Nole's prime/peak overlapped his.
Fed had a CUPCAKE era in 2003-2007. (thats 5 years unobstructed) . Nole has had it CUPCAKE since 2014. He should be dominating for 4-5 years. Don't know how in the hell he lets Murray get Wimbledon and take #1. (Thats not even to mention injuries coming at the worst possible time. Once at his PEAK 2009, and later 2012.
I don't know who had it easy out of Fed/Nole. Probably Fed. Since Nole early on did have to deal with Fed early on of course Fed had to deal with Nole later on.. Flip a coin I guess.
If Nadal's prime/peak happened 4-5 years before (and Fed isn't there) he gets more than 14 slams. If his prime/peak happened 4-5 years after (take Nole out of the equation) he wins more than 14 here.
Fed had a CUPCAKE era in 2003-2007. (thats 5 years unobstructed) . Nole has had it CUPCAKE since 2014. He should be dominating for 4-5 years. Don't know how in the hell he lets Murray get Wimbledon and take #1. (Thats not even to mention injuries coming at the worst possible time. Once at his PEAK 2009, and later 2012.
I don't know who had it easy out of Fed/Nole. Probably Fed. Since Nole early on did have to deal with Fed early on of course Fed had to deal with Nole later on.. Flip a coin I guess.
If Nadal's prime/peak happened 4-5 years before (and Fed isn't there) he gets more than 14 slams. If his prime/peak happened 4-5 years after (take Nole out of the equation) he wins more than 14 here.
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Rafa cant blame other than himself for declining at age 27. He is only 30, he should be stacking up slams now with Federer injured and Djokovic playing bad.
Still, Rafa has also had his easier years. 2010 Fed played bad, Nole was pre-prime and Delpo injured.
90's Clay
Banned
ONLY 30?? Thats not exactly spring chicken age or tennis. Fed can't beat Nadal regardless so it wouldn't matter if Fed was even playing "good" in 2010. Nadal was an early bloomer lets not forget. Fed wasn't. So the mileage on Nadal (when you factor in the injuries) is much more than someone else's.
30 is more like 40 for Rafa.
Thats not to mention all the clay tennis he has played which puts more mileage on you than any other surface will
Some of Rafas fans say he didnt bloom on HC before 2010. If he declined in 2013 thats about 4 years. 2010 was definetly a weaker year. If Rafa showed more longevity he would have had more periods of weaker competition .
Fed had to deal with Rafa already in 2004. as you say he was an early bloomer. He was defeating Fed on clay already in 2005.
Cant see that he has had it any tougher than Nole or Fed. If Fed had some easier years early career, Rafa had 2010, Nole 2015 and early 2016. Murray late 2016 and maybe 2017. It evens out.
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What a load of utter crap.
Yeah Fed can't beat Rafa... when he's a grandad with a broken back (2013) on clay, on clay esque slow HC ((plexicushion) during his crappy mono year.
He very clearly can and demonstrably did beat Rafa on favoured conditions (grass, fast HC, indoor) and also slow HC peak for peak (05 Miami).
Fed had it hardest. If they weee all born in 1981 then Fed would likely be on 20+ slams at least.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Remind me again babe who Federer's main opponent at the AO was back in the day
He's beaten Safin, Nalbandian, Agassi, Verdasco, Roddick, GOATing Gonzalez (who took out Nadal), GOATing Bagdhatis (who took out Nalbandian) so he's had his fair share of opponents fella.Remind me again babe who Federer's main opponent at the AO was back in the day
Plus they changed the surface to a slower one which suits Djokodal.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
All very good players indeed but none of them exactly Murray like in the consistency department
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
oh yeah cause Murray was such a world beater in his AO finals lmao. Not to mention that Fed pasted Murray in an AO final too.All very good players indeed but none of them exactly Murray like in the consistency department
I think Djokovic faced better opponents in his AO wins but Fed has faced stronger competition overall
Druss
Hall of Fame
Murray's level (or close to) for sure, except for Baghdatis, and I'm not sure why Verdasco got mentioned. I wouldn't say they're as consistent as Muzza, but def more consistent than Wawrinka.All very good players indeed but none of them exactly Murray like in the consistency department
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
We're in the age of Murray now mate
Aka the age of turn the channel. I've barely watched tennis the past 6 months and my life has been so much better for it
Are you serious? How do you figure Nadal and Fed are two of the greatest to ever play the game and Djokovic might end up in that same conversation. It will be an extremely long time before we see something like that again.
Aka the age of turn the channel. I've barely watched tennis the past 6 months and my life has been so much better for it
Things will change in 2017. id be very surprised if Murray continues this run. He more used to being 2nd/3rd fiddle and I'd be shocked if he can handle it.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Meles
Bionic Poster
Yeah we actually ran the fantasy slam numbers with one of the big 4 gone and Federer would be up around 23 or so slams with either Nadal or Djokovic out of his way.
I'm not so sure that I come around to saying Federer had the toughest competition his whole career.
Druss
Hall of Fame
Refer to post No53!
Meles
Bionic Poster
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
It's not The Muzz's fault everyone on tour is boring as ****. Just saying, whatever you want to call this era, I'd rather watch other things that are actually entertaining lol
"Might end up?"
People don't see Ultron the way his tronians do.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
The era with Connors, Borg, McEnroe and then Lendl, Edberg, Wilander, Becker was just as stellar. Tennis existed before year 2000!
marc45
G.O.A.T.
No doubt Rafa's the sneakiest vulture of all time. Majority of success on the surface where his rivals and the majority of the other best players are the worst, check. Sneaks in some cross-surface domination when the rest of the top players are completely slumped and/or injured, including some hilarious draws and facing few top 10 players, check. Only progress to meet rivals when you're in scintillating form, and bow out to mugs when not, check. Sneaky, very sneaky.
if he was able to vulture outside of clay, why were they not able to do it more on clay, esp. RG but all of it...they saw him for years, they knew his exact game plan, and yet so little success...why didn't they adjust at the biggest moments?...it's almost embarrassing how much he dominated an entire swing for a decade with other great and talented players around...lame
(always another spin shot
So in the end I'm afraid they're all equally MUGgy, sorry, thenk you.
junior74
Bionic Poster
All very good players indeed but none of them exactly Murray like in the consistency department
His consistency has given him 11 slam finals, with 8 losses. It wasn´t until the other 3 got injured, old and faded that he could come within reach of the crown.
There is more to Safin, Stan, Gonzales and Roddick than lack of consistency.
D
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Djokovic had the weakest era of all time, with Federer and Nadal barely playing and his biggest rival being Andy Murray (who is no slouch but as your only competition that's certainly not impressive). He racked up like 6 slams in this period. Guy would have won like 2 or 3 if he had to contend with a rival 5-6 years younger than himself.
NatF
Bionic Poster
All very good players indeed but none of them exactly Murray like in the consistency department
Murray is very consistent at not playing his best in AO finals that's true...
Djokovic has beaten the tougher opponents at the AO, though I think Federer as still had very tough competition there considering the amount of times he's played Djokovic, Nadal and then also Safin.
Lol. You talk as if the world of tennis didnt exist before the big4... Federer actually had to play matches before Nadal and Djoko joined the tour, and there has been great players prior to big4.
Vish13
Semi-Pro
Consistent in the sense to beat others and then get beaten by Novak. Roger was more competitive in 2014/15 Wimb and 2015 USO against Novak than Murray has ever been.All very good players indeed but none of them exactly Murray like in the consistency department
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic has beaten tougher opponents in his wins, primarily because of Nadal in 2012 and Stan in 2013, but overall I think Fed clearly faced tougher opponents with playing Djokovic, Safin, Nadal at their absolute AO peaks 5 different years, all of which he would have a reasonable chance to win the title in. Two of them he was in clear title winning form (05, 09) but ran into some superhuman performances. Fed faced Djokovic in his best AO form thrice while Djokovic played peak Fed once and that was in a year in which he would have had little chance at the title. Fed also faced a better version of Nadal in 09 while also facing Nadal in 2012, 2014. Granted I doubt he wins the title either of those years but it's definitely possible.
NatF
Bionic Poster
I would mention 2014 Stan for Djokovic as well, lower level than 2013 but still really strong - and obviously a reason why Djokovic doesn't have an extra title.
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
But Djoker was also a little lucky to beat him in 2013 with the missed line call.
Also rewatching the 05 AO semis, Fed got a really bad call at 5-5 15-30 in the 5th set...would have given him 2 break points to serve for the match.
So actually if the correct calls had been made it's possible both have 5 AO titles!
Regardless, in terms of very strong opponents I would say 4 for Djokovic (Fed 07, Nadal 12, Stan 13-14) and 6 for Fed(Djoker 08/11/16, Nadal 09/12, Safin 05). I consider Fed of 08/11 a decent opponent but not quite at that level in those years.
Wilhelm
Hall of Fame
Not sure Rog had it the toughest. He got really unlucky with Rafa appearing – that cost him a lot of wins. But he was and always will be the most talented of the bunch. Today he plays with no sting in his forehand, but still manages to win based on all around quality of play. Maybe we will even see Gramperer win a slam, who knows 
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