'Federer has lost a step or two' LOL

#8
Fed has lost several steps. You're either blind or a moron if you can't see that. Nadal's cupcake rally ball makes it much easier to take it on the rise and penetrate the court. Fed looked slow against Johnson for a reason

However he has managed to overcome that decline in movement beautifully which is what great ones do, and he's the greatest of them
 
#9
Just watch this match with Nadal. If you can play some tennis you may understand what it means in terms of footwork to take every ball on the rise... Against the highest topspin in the game. Amazing.

Can you just stop repeating such nonsense?
Fed is the GOAT, he will probably be the GOAT 3 years from now. His footwork was and will always be better than anyone else ...
 

Alien

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#14
Fed has lost several steps. You're either blind or a moron if you can't see that. Nadal's cupcake rally ball makes it much easier to take it on the rise and penetrate the court. Fed looked slow against Johnson for a reason

However he has managed to overcome that decline in movement beautifully which is what great ones do, and he's the greatest of them
So I see you just don't play tennis. For your information, topspin ball is the HARDEST to take on the rise. Because ot goes up almost vertically, the room to hit on the rise is minimal.
 

Alien

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#16
He's not the Flash, who is a fictional character. Federer is as real as it gets, and was indeed insanely fast. You just can't accept that a 35 year-old can still outshine whoever your hero (Nadal or Djokovic) is.

Djokovic isn't even 30. This cognitive dissonance gives you no choice but to try and rationalize the hurt away.
So maybe as Superman?

What do you mean by "my hero"? So you think I am 9?
 
#19
#NoShitShirlock he's 35ish past his physical prime. He counters with the bigger racket to deal with Nadal, takes time off to recover, and with age comes wisdom. Still good enough and smart enough to now best Nadal as he gets older and it will be more obvious with the physicality of Nadals game. Before calling it quits, heck maybe Fed even beat him on FO even.
 
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#21
Just watch this match with Nadal. If you can play some tennis you may understand what it means in terms of footwork to take every ball on the rise... Against the highest topspin in the game. Amazing.

Can you just stop repeating such nonsense?
It's a marked improvement from where it was before. The six months off clearly helped him, and it looks like he did a good amount of agility and strength work during that time.

Maybe compared to 25 year old Federer he has lost a step or two, but this is the best I've seen him move in a long time
 
#22
If you have lost several steps there is absolutely no chance to perform as Federer is performing, hitting the ball as he is doing.
Clearly, there is nothing that strategy, choice of shots, taking ball on the rise etc. can influence.

Fed is peaking and 2017 may just be the onset of it.
 
#23
Do you play tennis at all? How can you lose a step and take all the balls early?
Sure. He is slower but he is faster. Makes sense... No.
He just wasn't taking the ball earlier in the past. He always had the ability, but he decided to stay behind the baseline instead and try to out-rally Nadal from there. It doesn't take that much effort to step in... He's really not that much slower though, only more noticeable during the end of long rallies/matches.
 

Alien

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#24
Whatever. You watch the match but fail to see. You would have burnt Galileo. Even if shown the proof you would have mantained that the sun turns around the earth "because it has to and everbody knows it".
 
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Sirius Black

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#25
He just wasn't taking the ball earlier in the past. He always had the ability, but he decided to stay behind the baseline instead and try to out-rally Nadal from there. So he's just playing smarter now. He's really not that much slower though, only more noticeable during the end of long rallies/matches.
You can see some shots, especially ones that catch him going in the wrong direction, where he kind of just concedes the point, whereas before I think he'd make more of an effort to chase them down.
 
#27
You can see some shots, especially ones that catch him going in the wrong direction, where he kind of just concedes the point, whereas before I think he'd make more of an effort to chase them down.
I agree. I don't know if it's because he can't, or he's just being smart about conserving energy. He's definitely lost some explosiveness though
 
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Sirius Black

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#28
The effect is definitely more pronounced because he is playing at a much more consistent, higher level recently than he has in the past few years. It's kind of an illusion because it's been 10 years since his peak
 
#36
That half-step he's lost is not something easy to notice. It's more about the inability to pull of special shots with regularity like he did 2003-2007. He's still an AMAZING player!
Federer has shortened the backswing and load on his FH because he doesn't have the same preparation time. It's not the same liquid whip it used to be.
It's a good adjustment he has made to avoid being shankyouverymucherror, so I don't even get why people even question Federer's decline in movement. He himself knows it and made adjustments.
 
#39
Federer has shortened the backswing and load on his FH because he doesn't have the same preparation time. It's not the same liquid whip it used to be.
It's a good adjustment he has made to avoid being shankyouverymucherror, so I don't even get why people even question Federer's decline in movement. He himself knows it and made adjustments.
I feel like you're one of the few people who knows what he's talking about that posts here regularly.

I hope you stick around for a while.

My brain is frazzled from the amount of times I had to say the same thing in different ways in the other thread.
 
#40
I feel like you're one of the few people who knows what he's talking about that posts here regularly.

I hope you stick around for a while.

My brain is frazzled from the amount of times I had to say the same thing in different ways in the other thread.
Anyone who believes a player has lost several steps but is able to produce such high quality and lightning fast tennis of that matter doesn know what they are talking about. I'd say that Federer lost a step or two years back but since he made his adjustments and brought certain people to his team (Edberg for starters) his movement has been reborn. How exactly I don't know but he has worked on stuff clearly. Federer is moving as good as ever.
 
#42
Anyone who believes a player has lost several steps but is able to produce such high quality and lightning fast tennis of that matter doesn know what they are talking about. I'd say that Federer lost a step or two years back but since he made his adjustments and brought certain people to his team (Edberg for starters) his movement has been reborn. How exactly I don't know but he has worked on stuff clearly. Federer is moving as good as ever.
He's repurposed his movement, not improved it. He's lost a step or two for sure, but his game masks that well now. He definitely can't defend like he used to though, that's for sure--but how often have you seen Federer play defence in the last few years? He's either swinging for the fences and wins (eg IW just now), or gets caught on his back foot and gets steamrolled (AO 2016).
 
#43
He's repurposed his movement, not improved it. He's lost a step or two for sure, but his game masks that well now. He definitely can't defend like he used to though, that's for sure--but how often have you seen Federer play defence in the last few years? He's either swinging for the fences and wins (eg IW just now), or gets caught on his back foot and gets steamrolled (AO 2016).
Good part is he isn't playing going to be playing an opponent on the level of that Djokovic any time soon. All hail the weak era.
 
#44
Fed is always peaking, especially when he is losing to Nadal or Djokovic...

When Nadal or Djoker loses, they are just playing bad, they simply cant play good and lose.
That's because everyone knows that a tennis player hits his peak at age 35.

But fedr is a late bloomer, so he'll probably hit his peak when he turns 45.

The issue is that none of us know when he will start entering that prime, so we're all going back and forth on whether it's started or not.

IMHO, fedr started his peak at Wimbledon 2014 F, exited it immediately, got it back at Wimbledon 2015 and USO 2015, then reached his peakiest peak sitting next to his tub before the AO 2016 match against Djokovic. AO 2017 fedr lucked out and is not peak because of the Novak-vacancy weak era and joke transitional inflatable fraud champion nadl. If Novak weren't trying to emulate Kyrgios and stuck around, then Fraudlein rogi wouldn't be cleaning house because of the no-Novak-vac(uum).

Checkmate, Fraudleins!
 

Alien

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#46
People here are 2.0 tennis players in general who simply don't understand tennis. For instance they fail to see that attacking the net all time, volleying everything and taking the ball on the rise requires to be FASTER not slower. That's something pretty basic.
 
#48
Just watch this match with Nadal. If you can play some tennis you may understand what it means in terms of footwork to take every ball on the rise... Against the highest topspin in the game. Amazing.

Can you just stop repeating such nonsense?
You do realize he is not playing a Nadal that was cryogenically frozen in 2008, right?

I retain the right to call it like I see it. Federer's fleetness of foot is amazing. At his peak, though, it was possibly the best ever.
 

Zebrev

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#49
Who else out of the big 4 is having a great start to the season? Face it, Federer has a real opportunity here over the next 18-20 months. The rest of the big four are in visible decline, and the young guns have absolutely zero experience of Slam finals. I always hear ex-players talk about how Tennis is a mental sport. Well, right now Federer has a clear mental and tactical edge over the rest of the field, from his old rivals to the future champions. It's hard to know how long he can keep this edge, but there is certainly a window of opportunity at the moment. Fed has a solid chance at any of the slams until the end of 2018 provided he stays fit. As long as he doesn't give his daughters any more baths, he should nab a 19th Major.
 

Surion

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#50
Who else out of the big 4 is having a great start to the season? Face it, Federer has a real opportunity here over the next 18-20 months. The rest of the big four are in visible decline, and the young guns have absolutely zero experience of Slam finals. I always hear ex-players talk about how Tennis is a mental sport. Well, right now Federer has a clear mental and tactical edge over the rest of the field, from his old rivals to the future champions. It's hard to know how long he can keep this edge, but there is certainly a window of opportunity at the moment. Fed has a solid chance at any of the slams until the end of 2018 provided he stays fit. As long as he doesn't give his daughters any more baths, he should nab a 19th Major.
I don't know.
I see him losing to Kyrgios in the next round.
He always had trouble with big servers (maybe not with Roddick), so he can lose anytime to Karlovic/Isner/Kyrgios/Raonic.
And a shot at the French? Nope, but W and UO? Yes, absolutely.
 
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