Federer head to heads vs Sampras and Agassi in their primes

[grafselesfan]

What do you believe the Federer head to heads vs Sampras and Agassi would be in their primes if they played 10 matches on each surface. Here would be mine:

Federer vs Sampras:

Rebound ace- 5 wins each
Clay- Federer wins 7 out of 10
Old 90s grass- Sampras wins 8 out of 10
current grass- Sampras wins 6 out of 10
Decoturf- Sampras wins 7 out of 10
Carpet- Sampras wins 7 out of 10


Agassi vs Federer:

Rebound ace- 5 wins each
Clay- Federer wins 6 out of 10
Old 90s grass- Federer wins 8 out of 10
current grass- Federer wins 6 out of 10
Decoturf- Federer wins 6 out of 10
Carpet- Federer wins 7 out of 10

 

[mandy01]

More era BS? Give it a rest gsf.Why so much hypothetical crap?

 

[mandy01]

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[jamesblakefan#1]

This is such an original topic to discuss...it's almost like there aren't 400 threads already on this topic.

What's next, a WTA weak era thread?

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

 

[flying24]

Federer vs Sampras:

Rebound Ace- Federer wins 7 of 10
Clay- Federer wins 9 of 10
Grass- Sampras wins 6 of 10
Regular hard courts- Federer wins 7 of 10
Indoors or carpet- not enough available today to tell

Federer vs Agassi:

Rebound ace- Federer wins 6 out of 10
Clay- Federer wins 8 out of 10
Grass- Federer wins 10 out of 10
Regular hard court- Federer wins 7 out of 10


Mandy01 if you dont like someones thread it makes more sense to not post rather than whining. At times you can resemble your avatar.

 

[Jchurch]

Yawn. Such a craptastic thread to litter the board. Please stop making these posts. First of all, Sampras would maybe win 1 out of ten against Federer on clay. Absolutely crazy to say otherwise.

 

[lambielspins]

Yawn. Such a craptastic thread to litter the board. Please stop making these posts. First of all, Sampras would maybe win 1 out of ten against Federer on clay. Absolutely crazy to say otherwise.

Sampras could beat anyone on a given day on clay. He just didnt have the consistency. When he played a top player on clay he got up for it and either won or went down tough. I think he would get some wins over Federer on clay if they played often enough.

 

[edmondsm]

What if we all started a thread when we had some meaningless opinion to state, AND backed it up with fake statistics?

 

[sh@de]

vs Sampras:

Grass: Sampras wins 6 out of 10.
Slow hard courts: Federer wins 7 out of 10.
Fast hard courts: Sampras wins 6 out of 10.
Clay: Federer wins 10 out of 10.

 

[mandy01]

Mandy01 if you dont like someones thread it makes more sense to not post rather than whining. At times you can resemble your avatar.

flying24 I'm not the only one and this is a forum.If gsf can start another thread on something that has already been discussed god knows how many times I will post whatever I want in the thread.(thats all its worth for anyway).Deal with it.

 

[TheFifthSet]

Federer - Sampras

Rebound ace - Federer 6/10
Clay - Federer 8/10
90's grass - Sampras 6-7/10
Current grass - Federer 6/10
Decoturf - Federer 6/10
Carpet - Sampras 6/10

Federer - Agassi

Rebound ace - Agassi 6-7/10
Clay - Federer 7/10
90's grass - Federer 8/10
Current grass - Federer 7/10
Decoturf - Federer 7/10
Carpet - Federer 6/10

 

[helloworld]

Fed vs Sampras
Grass: Sampras 7 out of 10
Hard: Sampras 6 out of 10
Rebound: Federer 6 out of 10
Clay: Federer 8 out of 10
Carpet: Sampras 7 out of 10

Fed vs Agassi
Grass: Fed 9 out of 10
Hard: Fed 7 out of 10
Rebound: Tie
Clay: Fed 7 out of 10
Carpet: Fed 6 out of 10

 

[P_Agony]

IMO Federer would own Sampras on any surface but grass where he'll get a few wins as well.

 

[ShooterMcMarco]

 

[bruce38]

Federer vs Sampras:

Rebound ace- Federer wins 6 out of 10
Clay- Federer wins 10 out of 10
Old 90s grass- Federer wins 6 out of 10
current grass- Federer wins 8 out of 10
Decoturf- Federer wins 7 out of 10
Carpet- Federer wins 7 out of 10


Agassi vs Federer:

Rebound ace- Federer wins 7 out of 10
Clay- Federer wins 9 out of 10
Old 90s grass- Federer wins 10 out of 10
current grass- Federer wins 8 out of 10
Decoturf- Federer wins 8 out of 10
Carpet- Federer wins 9 out of 10

 

[shabby]

At times you can resemble your avatar.

Ouch!

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[President of Serve/Volley]

People are underestimating vintage Andre, and he can beat anybody. If only Andre didn't go for the "Image is everything", he would have won more slams in ealry 1990s.

 

[mandy01]

 

[Cesc Fabregas]

Federer vs Sampras:

Rebound ace- 5 wins each
Clay- Federer wins 7 out of 10
Old 90s grass- Sampras wins 8 out of 10
current grass- Sampras wins 6 out of 10
Decoturf- Sampras wins 8 out of 10
Carpet- Sampras wins 8 out of 10


Agassi vs Federer:

Rebound ace- 5 wins each
Clay- Federer wins 6 out of 10
Old 90s grass- Federer wins 8 out of 10
current grass- Federer wins 6 out of 10
Decoturf- Federer wins 6 out of 10
Carpet- Federer wins 7 out of 10

 

[drakulie]

Federer goes undefeated against both.

The end.

 

[Cesc Fabregas]

IMO Federer would own Sampras on any surface but grass where he'll get a few wins as well.

Sampras would own Federer on fast hardcourts, grass and carpet, he would just overwhelm Federer with his attacking game. You are very ignorant and biased to say Federer would own Sampras.

 

[bruce38]

Sampras would own Federer on fast hardcourts, grass and carpet, he would just overwhelm Federer with his attacking game. You are very ignorant and biased to say Federer would own Sampras.

Likewise.


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[thejoe]

Sampras would own Federer on fast hardcourts, grass and carpet, he would just overwhelm Federer with his attacking game. You are very ignorant and biased to say Federer would own Sampras.

LOL. Just LOL.

 

[shabby]

dont even understand the game.

I could say the same with all the Federertards. They equally know nothing regarding pre Federer time.

 

[Deleted member 21996]

a few ideas for original threads:

the state of wta is ___________(insert random insult)

is roger goat of he wins the ____(insert name of next crappy tournament)

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_________(insert giberish) h2h between Fed and Nad is__________ (insert more giberish)

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[flying24]

13-7 is ownership. It is fair to say Nadal does own Federer in head to head, even though I am a Federer fan.

 

[mandy01]

Nadal owns Federer not just because of the match up issue, its because he never backs down and is a mental rock, just like Pete Sampras.

Do you know what ownage even means? Nadal wins because he is a naturally bad match-up for Roger.Sampras is not.
And no,mental strength allows you to fight (which Roger does very well even against Nadal,most of the times),it dosent necessarily win you matches.To put it in a better way-It is only one factor-which by the way can easily get affected by the way two players match up against each other.
Are you trying to tell me that the players whom Sampras had a losing record against were mentally stronger than him or superior to him in any way?LOOOL.

 

[mandy01]

13-7 is ownership. It is fair to say Nadal does own Federer in head to head, even though I am a Federer fan.

In that case Sampras owned Agassi too and theirs was never a rivalry either.

 

[Cesc Fabregas]

In that case Sampras owned Agassi too and theirs was never a rivalry either.

Sampras did own Agassi, Sampras won most when it mattered.

 

[flying24]

In that case Sampras owned Agassi too and theirs was never a rivalry either.

I dont think anyone denies Sampras got the better of Agassi. As it though even Agassi did better vs Sampras than Federer vs Nadal. He beat him in their biggest matches on Agassi's favorite surfaces, and the ratio is alot closer overall.

 

[shabby]

Nadal wins because he is a naturally bad match-up for Roger..

Hold on a second, a win is a win at the end of the day, correct? This is just like saying 'Nadal only beats Federer because Federer never tries to win'. Incredibly poor excuse!

 

[mandy01]

Sampras did own Agassi, Sampras won most when it mattered.

I guess its safe to say then that Sampras himself never had a consistent top rival :lol:

 

[mandy01]

I dont think anyone denies Sampras got the better of Agassi. As it though even Agassi did better vs Sampras than Federer vs Nadal. He beat him in their biggest matches on Agassi's favorite surfaces, and the ratio is alot closer overall.

Not really..Sampras and Agassi just played more matches against each other.
Incase of Nadal and Federer the only thing I would agree to is that Nadal owns Federer and everyone on clay.

 

[flying24]

Not really..Sampras and Agassi just played more matches against each other.

Are you saying if Federer and Nadal had played 34 times instead of 20 the ratio would improve?

 

[mandy01]

Are you saying if Federer and Nadal had played 34 times instead of 20 the ratio would improve?

maybe,but that would mean I'd even want their age difference to be closer than five years as well as their peak years.They're too far apart IMO.

Then again,this is too hypothetical.
btw-Roger's ratio against Nadal isnt good but its not pathetic either.

 

[bruce38]

Federer owns Nadal in terms of winning GS tournaments entered. This is the only stat that matters for history.

 

[mandy01]

Federer owns Nadal in terms of winning GS tournaments entered. This is the only stat that matters for history.

QFT.Thats the case so far.

 

[shabby]

Federer owns Nadal in terms of winning GS tournaments entered. This is the only stat that matters for history.

This is too premature taking into account the age gap between the two.

 

[pame]

Sampras would own Federer on fast hardcourts, grass and carpet, he would just overwhelm Federer with his attacking game. You are very ignorant and biased to say Federer would own Sampras.

Cross-reference: Wimbledon 2001 :?

 

[pame]

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LOL Mandy. Pertinent response

We've apparently reached the stage where we create hypotheticals and then assert them as proof positive. WOW

 

[dangit]

this is genius. thanks for that

 

[mandy01]

LOL Mandy. Pertinent response

We've apparently reached the stage where we create hypotheticals and then assert them as proof positive. WOW

Exactly this.trolling at its best.

 

[tudwell]

Sampras might sneak in a win on carpet, but only because carpet is obsolete to the tour now and Federer doesn't have as much experience on it. Anything else, Federer in straights.

 

[fed_rulz]

kudos to GSF for starting a discussion on a very original, never-before-discussed topic.

My take: out of the 60 matches (10 matches/surface * 6 surfaces), it would be 50-10 in favor of Federer, and that's being generous. Federer is just not a good match-up for Pete. He eats power players (big serve, great off one wing, lousy on the other, attack on every opportunity kinda players) for lunch. Defensive minded players have a chance with him, though.

 

[fed_rulz]

Sampras might sneak in a win on carpet, but only because carpet is obsolete to the tour now and Federer doesn't have as much experience on it. Anything else, Federer in straights.

True, but consider this: Pete is 0-2 against Wayne ferraira on carpet (both matches played during Pete's prime - 1995). I think Federer would do at least as well as Ferreira.

 

[sunny_cali]

Sampras would own Federer on fast hardcourts, grass and carpet, he would just overwhelm Federer with his attacking game. You are very ignorant and biased to say Federer would own Sampras.

Oh yeah ? What stopped him from "owning" baby-Fed at Wimby-01 ? Oh right ! he was'nt at his peak then -- never mind that he served out of his mind that day...

Oh wait... Here we go round the mulberry bush, mulberry bush....

 

[Cesc Fabregas]

kudos to GSF for starting a discussion on a very original, never-before-discussed topic.

My take: out of the 60 matches (10 matches/surface * 6 surfaces), it would be 50-10 in favor of Federer, and that's being generous. Federer is just not a good match-up for Pete. He eats power players (big serve, great off one wing, lousy on the other, attack on every opportunity kinda players) for lunch. Defensive minded players have a chance with him, though.

You're right because Sampras is just like Roddick...

 

[President of Serve/Volley]

Cross-reference: Wimbledon 2001 :?

That's was when they changed the grass that year right?

 

[VivalaVida]

Sampras would own Federer on fast hardcourts, grass and carpet, he would just overwhelm Federer with his attacking game. You are very ignorant and biased to say Federer would own Sampras.

Considering your post history, you shouldnt be telling anyone that they are not level headed. Oh and I laugh when you bring up Nadal. Federer- 15 Sampras-14. 15>14. I figured you might want some overly simplistic and regurgitated facts thrown back at yourself.