Federer head to heads vs Sampras and Agassi in their primes

[fed_rulz]

Yeah I know. You cant even praise Pete or any players of Pete's era in peace without the Fed army coming in and saying "Federer would crush them all" "you are a crazy ***********" "that player wouldnt be a factor anywhere today" "that player wouldnt win anything if Federer was still around" "Federer is better than Sampras in everything but the serve". Yet they accuse Sampras fans of trolling.

LOL. Hey GSF, who started this thread? and who claimed that Pete would beat Fed on most surfaces? That's right - the fed-army did. Am i right?

 

[ksbh]

GSF ... I see that you already responded to my post before I updated it, so I'll state again, the highlighted part is a classic!

LOL, it isnt very hard to wind up Federer fans. Just post anything that can be slightly interpreted as anyone of "Federer might not be the undisputed GOAT", "Federer is not a total GOD", "Rafa is a tough opponent for Federer", "Sampras might be better than Sampras in anything or any surface", "the competition today might not be the best", and the army come out in the flash of an eye (as if they have some special tracker or bell they hear) mixed in either all out crybaby mode or all out attack mode.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

ksbh, Cesc, and GSF - 3 morons of a kind. Don't be angry just b/c the only satisfaction you guys get in your sorry little lives is reliving the glory days of the 90s, talk about obsession.

Remember, no matter what, 15 is still greater than 14. Just keep that in mind. It'll make your life a whole lot better.

 

[AAAA]

ksbh, Cesc, and GSF - 3 morons of a kind. Don't be angry just b/c the only satisfaction you guys get in your sorry little lives is reliving the glory days of the 90s, talk about obsession.

Remember, no matter what, 15 is still greater than 14. Just keep that in mind. It'll make your life a whole lot better.

Don't forget the Roland Garros French Open title for a career slam. A thorn they can't get rid of because it's fact.

 

[mandy01]

It beats the Federer fans lovins in 95% of the threads with the likes of you, Mandy01, icedevil0289, Malakas, BreakPoint, drakulie, Lawrence, Ninman, TMF, P_Agony and all the other clowns that I can't be bothered mentioning!

clown seems to be your favourite word.Are you one in real life?
BTW-Its really easy to rile up Samprastards as well-Just start a "Fed is GOAT " thread
And thats it.We'll have looooong posts from the wannabe Sampras-lovers trying to explain that he is not :lol:

 

[ksbh]

ROFL, JBF! So now I'm a Sampras fan who's bothered that Federer holds the record?! And you were the one that vehemently denied being a Federer fan!

LOL, I nearly puchased Jamesblakefan's new book ... "Tired of being called a *******? : pretend to be a Blake fan!" available at all leading Federer merchandise stores, for 0.05 Euros!

Word has it that for the first 100 book buyers, JBF will hold a special demonstration on the art of wearing trousers backwards! Hurry!

ksbh, Cesc, and GSF - 3 morons of a kind. Don't be angry just b/c the only satisfaction you guys get in your sorry little lives is reliving the glory days of the 90s, talk about obsession.

Remember, no matter what, 15 is still greater than 14. Just keep that in mind. It'll make your life a whole lot better.

 

[Serve_Ace]

Honestly if you're trying to make a joke Ksbh, at least make it funny.

 

[Cesc Fabregas]

ROFL, JBF! So now I'm a Sampras fan who's bothered that Federer holds the record?! And you were the one that vehemently denied being a Federer fan!

LOL, I nearly puchased Jamesblakefan's new book ... "Tired of being called a *******? : pretend to be a Blake fan!" available at all leading Federer merchandise stores, for 0.05 Euros!

Word has it that for the first 100 book buyers, JBF will hold a special demonstration on the art of wearing trousers backwards! Hurry!

LOL. You made me just spit out my coffee. I totally agree aswell, JBF should change his name to RFF1.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

ROFL, JBF! So now I'm a Sampras fan who's bothered that Federer holds the record?! And you were the one that vehemently denied being a Federer fan!

LOL, I nearly puchased Jamesblakefan's new book ... "Tired of being called a *******? : pretend to be a Blake fan!" available at all leading Federer merchandise stores, for 0.05 Euros!

Word has it that for the first 100 book buyers, JBF will hold a special demonstration on the art of wearing trousers backwards! Hurry!

Let's see, you're not a Sampras fan, you claim not to be a Nadal fan, you're obviously not a Fed fan, that leaves one alternative - you're just a troll.

I honestly have no idea who the hell you are, but you seem to be obsessed with my every move. Geez man, get a freaking life, and stop it with the lame ass jokes.

LOL. You made me just spit out my coffee. I totally agree aswell, JBF should change his name to RFF1.

How about you come along with an original thought for once, and stop following trolls like GSF and this ksbh character like a sheep. You'll find that life is much better once you learn to think for yourself.

 

[akv89]

If Roddick is hitting his forehand like 2003-2004 yeah I could see his being over Goran's for sure. However he has not hit it like then since 2003-2004, only 5% of the time since then really. His forehand has turned into an elusive "what if" shot more than anything else.

You could have a point on the 2nd serve though. I certainly would agree Roddick's is more consistent and reliable than Ivanisevic's which is very dangerous but prone to double faults and doesnt have enough spin.

Still on grass Ivanisevic is easily the better and more dangerous player and this thread got into discussing who was tougher competition on grass. Also if we want to look at all surfaces, yes I concede Roddick is clearly overall the better hard court player. Ivanisevic was a huge dissapointment for the most parts on hard courts, where I believe he had alot of potential but never really applied himself for whatever reason. However Ivanisevic is better on grass, carpet/indoors, and better on clay. So 3 of the 4 majors surfaces Ivanisevic is better than Roddick.

Also since many Federer supporters like to rehash the 2001 Wimbledon match between Sampras and Federer constantly less we forget Ivanisevic and Roddick played each other at that very Wimbledon. Who won, and who was closer to their primes of the two?

It's true that Roddick's forehand now is weaker compared to what it was in 03-04. But in that time period, it was a weapon that he used to really dictate play. Ivanisevic's forehand was never that kind of a weapon. Roddick's new forehand isn't that bad either. He doesn't hit a lot of 100 mph winners off of it, but he also rarely makes any unforced errors with it.

I'm not a fan of making judgments based on a couple matches, and I never did that with Sampras' loss to Federer in 01. Likewise, I don't hold much weight on Roddick's loss to Ivanisevic in the same tournament, especially considering that it was Roddick's first Wimbledon.

 

[grafselesfan]

Graf (without the knife) vs Jankovic:
clay 0-10
grass 5-5
hardcourt (2-8)
carpet(5-5)

conclusion, graf is the most overrated female tennis ever.

Graf could beat Jankovic on any surface at 40 years old playing from a wheelchair, and hitting only slice backhands. The only thing Jankovic will remembered for is ugly dresses, one of the lamest forehands ever seen in pro tennis for anyone let alone a so called #1, and sharing the title of worst #1 ever with Dinara Bafina.

Graf before the knife:

-a record 186 consecutive weeks ranked #1
-each of the slams multiple times
-the only ever Golden Slam
-the best 2 year run in history with 7 slam wins and 1 runner up, a long with only 5 overall losses (Martina in 83-84 had only 3 losses but slightly inferior slam results)

I would say to think before you speak but in your case that probably just makes yet even dumber thoughts form so not sure what advice to give you.

 

[grafselesfan]

LOL. You made me just spit out my coffee. I totally agree aswell, JBF should change his name to RFF1.

For a so called James Blake fan he sure spends 100x more time Federer worshipping and insulting Sampras and Sampras's peers than he does talking about Blake. Not that I can blame anyone for not wanting to talk about James Blake. :lol:

 

[Chadwixx]

Three accounts with the same ip...

 

[TheFifthSet]

Three accounts with the same ip...

proof????????

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

For a so called James Blake fan he sure spends 100x more time Federer worshipping and insulting Sampras and Sampras's peers than he does talking about Blake. Not that I can blame anyone for not wanting to talk about James Blake. :lol:

Better than being fixated on players that retired 5-10 years ago. Or even more, better than coming up with worthless what if scenarios and what if matchups to try and prove an unproveable point. Geez, you must have a lot of time on your hands...

Move on already, if you're not a fan of any current players (or you're just a rabid Fed hater, as it's obvious you are), why don't you just keep your sorry, worthless era debates in the Former Pro section, where they belong?

 

[ksbh]

LOL Cesc! Just sit back and watch the madness unfold now :twisted:

LOL. You made me just spit out my coffee. I totally agree aswell, JBF should change his name to RFF1.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

LOL Cesc! Just sit back and watch the madness unfold now :twisted:

You are blatantly trolling and adding nothing good to the discussion. Why don't you make an opinion instead of riding GSF and Cesc's jocks?

 

[The-Champ]

ROFL, JBF! So now I'm a Sampras fan who's bothered that Federer holds the record?! And you were the one that vehemently denied being a Federer fan!

LOL, I nearly puchased Jamesblakefan's new book ... "Tired of being called a *******? : pretend to be a Blake fan!" available at all leading Federer merchandise stores, for 0.05 Euros!

Word has it that for the first 100 book buyers, JBF will hold a special demonstration on the art of wearing trousers backwards! Hurry!

LOL! That was good

 

[VivalaVida]

It beats the Federer fans lovins in 95% of the threads with the likes of you, Mandy01, icedevil0289, Malakas, BreakPoint, drakulie, Lawrence, Ninman, TMF, P_Agony and all the other clowns that I can't be bothered mentioning!

My ass. Most of those posters you mentioned dont go into threads and post inflamatory and BS oversimplistic posts like you and your boy toys KSBH and GSF. That is your specialty.

 

[VivalaVida]

ROFL, JBF! So now I'm a Sampras fan who's bothered that Federer holds the record?! And you were the one that vehemently denied being a Federer fan!

LOL, I nearly puchased Jamesblakefan's new book ... "Tired of being called a *******? : pretend to be a Blake fan!" available at all leading Federer merchandise stores, for 0.05 Euros!

Word has it that for the first 100 book buyers, JBF will hold a special demonstration on the art of wearing trousers backwards! Hurry!

Wow the corniest joke I have ever heard. Kinda like GSF dedicates a vast majority of the time starting those lame Federer sucks threads instead of talking about Graf and Seles. Tired of being called a Federer hater? : Pass yourself of as Graf and Seles fan and post all the crap you like on Fed Yeah corny joke to counter yours.

 

[Azzurri]

Goran came in on his serve was against the players that doesn’t have the return game like Fed. You can’t based on Goran did in the 90 and assumed he would do the same to Roger. Plus, it’s not as if Roger would have to received Goran’s 1st serve everytime. Suppose he end up serving around ~60% 1st serve, eventually there will be many balls will be put back in play and Goran has little or no chance against Roger from the baseline. I like his chance of breaking Goran’s serve over Roddick b/c he had a better ground game. You need to watch the 2009 SW19 final. For you to say Federer had NO issues with Roddick’s serve is laughable to say the least.

clueless???? so now i can't make a comparison, but you can!? W was ONE match, Fed has no problems with Roddick, clueless as usual.

 

[Chelsea_Kiwi]

What do you believe the Federer head to heads vs Sampras and Agassi would be in their primes if they played 10 matches on each surface. Here would be mine:

Federer vs Sampras:

Rebound ace- 5 wins each
Clay- Federer wins 7 out of 10
Old 90s grass- Sampras wins 8 out of 10
current grass- Sampras wins 6 out of 10
Decoturf- Sampras wins 7 out of 10
Carpet- Sampras wins 7 out of 10


Agassi vs Federer:

Rebound ace- 5 wins each
Clay- Federer wins 6 out of 10
Old 90s grass- Federer wins 8 out of 10
current grass- Federer wins 6 out of 10
Decoturf- Federer wins 6 out of 10
Carpet- Federer wins 7 out of 10

Oh GSF you are as brainless as ever! Here is mine below:

Federer vs Sampras:

Rebound ace- Federer 6/10
Clay- Federer 10/10
Old 90s grass- Sampras 7/10
current grass- Tie.
Decoturf- Federer 6/10
Carpet- Sampras 6/10


Agassi vs Federer:

Rebound ace- Federer 6/10
Clay- Federer 7/10
Old 90s grass- Federer 9/10
current grass- Federer 8/10
Decoturf- Federer 7/10
Carpet- Federer 7/10

I might of been abit harsh on Agassi's grass ability.

 

[Azzurri]

I guess that fantastic Goran serves explains why he won so many Majors?

what is your point? Roddick has won one...again, help to understand your logic. you don't get Goran and A-Rod are 2 different style players?? it's called MATCHUP.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

How many times do I have to say it to these trolls...yes I am a Blake fan, as well as a fan of Fed, Nadal, JMDP, Soderling, Tsonga, among others. It is possible to like more than one player, and just b/c I like one player doesn't mean I hate all the others. Seems that's somethings some of these so called fans of tennis can't get through their skulls...seems they're more wrapped up in devaluing the accomplishments of others through imaginary matchups and what ifs then actually enjoying the game of tennis...sickening.

 

[Azzurri]

So now Agassi's return game isn't as good as Federer's?

HE'S CLUELESS.

 

[Conquistador]

what is your point? Roddick has won one...again, help to understand your logic. you don't get Goran and A-Rod are 2 different style players?? it's called MATCHUP.

but Roddick is a superior player than Ivanesevic. Roddick is soo underrated by this board its not even funny.

 

[Chelsea_Kiwi]

HE'S CLUELESS.

If only you knew what irony is...

 

[ksbh]

Read, and read carefully this time please ... not only have you displayed a remarkable sense of intolerance toward fans of other players but you seem to miss the irony in your own posts.

I've pulled for Nadal unabashedly and quite openly on this forum ever since he won his first FO title. I don't see the need to post under the guise of a fan of a different player unlike you know who!

Second, I made no reference to you or your posts in this thread. You charge into this thread and call me a moron and when I respond to it, you ask me why I'm following you. LOL, the irony!

Third, if you don't like my posts, use the ignore function.

In conclusion, you really need to quit acting like a big gals blouse!

You are blatantly trolling and adding nothing good to the discussion. Why don't you make an opinion instead of riding GSF and Cesc's jocks?

 

[VivalaVida]

You are blatantly trolling and adding nothing good to the discussion. Why don't you make an opinion instead of riding GSF and Cesc's jocks?

LOL dont worry about them. Cesc is telling you to change your username because you side with Federer. What is ironic is that the simpleton posts under "Cesc Fabregas" Using his lame logic against him, he should GTFO of talk tennis and join a football forum or otherwise change his name to "Pete Sampras::lol:

 

[Azzurri]

Wow. Just wow.

Pray tell, what does Goran have in his ground game that Roddick doesn't? And why is he more intelligent than Roddick? Y'know, game-wise.

Not that I agree with TMF (who from first impressions seems to be a fanboy) but wow, you really are NOT in the know as far as that is concerned.

I think he means Goran used his great serve with an aggressive game and was more than just power. you should know that roddick is not the most creative guy on the court (not saying Goran was either), but Goran used his aggressive WITH his serve (a good game style) while Roddick has been accused of being a pusher. However, Roddick seems to have changed his game a bit this past year, so let's see how he does next year.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

This message is hidden because ksbh is on your ignore list.

Thanks for reminding me troll. Now do the same to me, and I'll have no problem ever mentioning you again.

 

[ksbh]

Thanks Champ! I aim to please

LOL! That was good

 

[ksbh]

Good riddance!

This message is hidden because ksbh is on your ignore list.

Thanks for reminding me troll. Now do the same to me, and I'll have no problem ever mentioning you again.

 

[Azzurri]

LOL you are in no position to call anyone "clueless" and "useless". You are the clueless one. Roddick is the more potent player. He has played some great tennis to make an impact at two of the biggest slams, US open and Wimbledon. Goran only managed to perform at 1. Never even got to a slam final at the AO, FO, USO. LOL! More potent than Roddick Oh and guess what, Roddick has more titles to his name as well. Oh and opponents dont "simply block" his serve back. Have you ever even watched him play? Roddick's serve is a monster to pick up for almost everyone and he certainly proved it this year. So get of your damn high horse and realize that their is merit to the theory that Roddick is a better player.

The funniest thing is you calling Roddick an unintelligant tennis player when you are comparing him to Ivanisevic. LOL!!!!! We all know that he was the Einstein of tennis.

please tell me the h2h for Fed/roddick???? we were talking about Fed vs those guys, so please tell me how FED struggles..he doesn't (90% of the time).

 

[edmondsm]

Roddick >>>> Goran

Agree. The 90'stards will argue otherwise, but Goran was a grass only player. Only made the semis at another slam (USO) once.

 

[Azzurri]

Goran was a more talented player than Roddick, anyone who has seen both will tell see that. He has a even more devasting serve, more agressive and destructive return, more pentrating groundstrokes and a much better volleyer.

the key is these guys(kids) never saw Goran play.

 

[VivalaVida]

please tell me the h2h for Fed/roddick???? we were talking about Fed vs those guys, so please tell me how FED struggles..he doesn't (90% of the time).

Azzuri, that is why I said "almost" everyone. Federer is the exception in this case. However do you seriously think every player blocks Roddick serve back with utter ease like Federer as the poster stated? I sure the hell dont think so. Roddicks statistics make his case stronger as well. Also, Roddick has really improved his serve this year. The wimbledon final was amazing serving by Roddick and Federer never broke until the last game.

 

[Chelsea_Kiwi]

the key is these guys(kids) never saw Goran play.

Are you sure you did????

 

[Azzurri]

Did you guys pay any attention to points made in Roddicks case. Not at all. You guys just went on about how great Goran was like love stricken canaries. Dont give me any advice that you guys aren't willing to follow yourself, okay? Thanks.

sad how little you comprehend.

 

[edmondsm]

the key is these guys(kids) never saw Goran play.

I've seen Goran play. It's went something like this:

Ace, ace, double-fault, service winner (bricked return), ace.

 

[Azzurri]

For a so called James Blake fan he sure spends 100x more time Federer worshipping and insulting Sampras and Sampras's peers than he does talking about Blake. Not that I can blame anyone for not wanting to talk about James Blake. :lol:

exactly why he is on my ignore list. not only is he utterly clueless, but he used to give me headaches. on par with Fedace, Conquistador, Cence and a few others. Easily brings down the intelligence of the forum.

 

[borg number one]

The comparison between these two greats is very close, and I would rate Federer's achievements as being slightly more impressive thus far than Sampras' achievements, due to his better performance on red clay, otherwise, it's VERY CLOSE, in terms of comparing peak Sampras performance vs. peak Federer performance across the different court surfaces.
I give a lot of credit to Federer for being able to at least win one French Open and reach several finals there. Meanwhile, he has dominated on hard courts and grass courts, though Sampras has slightly better Wimbledon track record so far, in my estimation. Seven total W titles is out of this world.


In terms of peak performance on different court surfaces, I would say:

Grass Courts: Edge to Sampras
Indoor Courts: Even
Hard Courts: Even
Clay Courts: Federer

overall, I would say it's about a draw in terms of the comparison across court surfaces while looking at peak performance.

 

[Conquistador]

I've seen Goran play. It's went something like this:

Ace, ace, double-fault, service winner (bricked return), ace.

One dimensional player. Take a look at roddick, world class serve, good forehand, good backhand, and good fitness. He was better than goran. Thats roddick though, a tough nosed player.

 

[Azzurri]

Azzuri, that is why I said "almost" everyone. Federer is the exception in this case. However do you seriously think every player blocks Roddick serve back with utter ease like Federer as the poster stated? I sure the hell dont think so. Roddicks statistics make his case stronger as well. Also, Roddick has really improved his serve this year. The wimbledon final was amazing serving by Roddick and Federer never broke until the last game.

the discussion was FEDERER...got it???

 

[VivalaVida]

Then why the hell did you quote me? I was clearly talking About roddick and ivanisevic. Talk to someone who cares about your federer argument, got it??? Your reading comprehension skills aren't as up to par as you think When you can't even distinguish my posts on another argument

 

[Azzurri]

Then why the hell did you quote me? I was clearly talking About roddick and ivanisevic. Talk to someone who cares about your federer argument, got it??? Your reading comprehension skills aren't as up to par as you think When you can't even distinguish my posts on another argument

again, FEDERER.

 

[edmondsm]

One dimensional player. Take a look at roddick, world class serve, good forehand, good backhand, and good fitness. He was better than goran. Thats roddick though, a tough nosed player.

Not saying that Roddick isn't one-dimensional, but he was better then Goran. I can't believe that these nerds are trying to argue with facts.

Roddick's 9 year career:

1 slam
4 finals
27 total titles

Goran's 16 year career:

1 slam
3 finals
22 total titles

Looks like he is less then half the player Roddick is.

 

[Azzurri]

Not saying that Roddick isn't one-dimensional, but he was better then Goran. I can't believe that these nerds are trying to argue with facts.

Roddick's 9 year career:

1 slam
4 finals
27 total titles

Goran's 16 year career:

1 slam
3 finals
22 total titles

Looks like he is less then half the player Roddick is.

I am looking more at the match-up for Fed. Its obvious that Roddick's game is not something that troubles Fed. Goran;s would give him a bit more..that is all I am saying.

 

[bruce38]

what is your point? Roddick has won one...again, help to understand your logic. you don't get Goran and A-Rod are 2 different style players?? it's called MATCHUP.

The point is that Goran is not so fantastic. What don't you understand about that? You say he's a better matchup against Fed than Roddick. Completely subjective meaningless crap. Get your head out of your ass.

 

[grafselesfan]

Wow the corniest joke I have ever heard. Kinda like GSF dedicates a vast majority of the time starting those lame Federer sucks threads instead of talking about Graf and Seles. Tired of being called a Federer hater? : Pass yourself of as Graf and Seles fan and post all the crap you like on Fed Yeah corny joke to counter yours.

You fail. If you do a search and type Graf or Seles you will see a ton of posts of mine containing the terms Graf and Seles, especialy Graf. This despite the fact both women are RETIRED, which James Blake obviously is not (though he is of such little relevance he might as well be of course).