grafselesfan
Banned
Exactly. I couldnt have said it any better myself!
Federer head to heads vs Sampras and Agassi in their primes
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Exactly. I couldnt have said it any better myself!
VivalaVida
Banned
Notice how I used the word "vast majority".
you do post about them but no where near as much as you post about how Federer is not as good as Sampras. You obviously have some agenda. Oh and JBF fan has a much better case than you. You can go into the former player section and cry your heart out about your girls (which you do only a fraction of the time as compared to talking about fed), but JBF doesnt really have a place to discuss Blake who has really begun to spiral down. Belive it or not, not everyone's favorite player is as successful as Federer, Graf, Sampras, etc.
President
Legend
Roddick's new game should give Fed trouble. He has historically struggled against consistent players rather than big hitters, and Roddick's current gamestyle is exactly that. Federer is still able to beat Roddick, but that last Wimbledon match is indicative that it won't be so easy in the future.
Ivanesevic's game on the other hand would not be a problem for Federer at all. If Goran was totally in the zone, and they were playing at Wimbledn, I'm sure he would score a few lucky wins (just like Roddick). Nevertheless, he would certainly not pose any consistent threat to Federer.
ksbh
Banned
My belief that JBF is a staunch Federer fan isn't just brought about by the fact that he makes so many posts about Federer.
JBF shows the same intolerance toward anything that is Sampras related as a typical Federer fanatic on this forum. That's why I insist that despite his moniker, he's a Federer fan. Or fanatic, if I may say so. There's nothing really wrong in it but why pose to be someone else? That's hypocrisy.
JBF shows the same intolerance toward anything that is Sampras related as a typical Federer fanatic on this forum. That's why I insist that despite his moniker, he's a Federer fan. Or fanatic, if I may say so. There's nothing really wrong in it but why pose to be someone else? That's hypocrisy.
UsualSuspect
Banned
Damn this thread turned ugly! I hope it gets shut down. Lots of animosity.
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I thought you said you would leave the forum?
Conquistador
Banned
I had to come back and say that Federer is better than Sampras, no?
Conquistador
Banned
Is this enough video evidence to prove federer's superior tennis abilities....?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-enVQiknD2U
or this........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM1P2ej4YtY&feature=related
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edmondsm
Legend
OK, I see, my apologies. Although I don't really know if I agree. Goran's huge game gave him success back then, but his movement would really get exposed today. If you watch those vids from the 90's, players had much more time to set up their groundies (in general) then today. And it is easier to block the big serve back these days. In today's pro tennis, Goran would be hanging around where Karlovic is, if I'm being hypothetical.
grafselesfan
Banned
Notice how I used the word "vast majority".
In case you havent noticed hardly anyone on this forum likes to talk about womens tennis, and even less former pro women. I talk about Graf and Seles about as much as this forum will even respond to.
callen3615
Professional
AAAA
Hall of Fame
I believe that was the OP's intention. It's a continuation of all that's happened before.
shabby
Rookie
Total garbage from a garbage poster.
DarthMaul
Professional
TheFifthSet
G.O.A.T.
It is amazing how they whine about Federer fanatics yet they initiate most of these troll-fests anyway.
Sampras retired 6 years ago yet they still feel the need to speak for him.
TheFifthSet
G.O.A.T.
I'm trying to like you because you seem like a decent guy . . . . but you letting GSF speak for you (making me think that you know little of Ivanisevic's game yet you are still vocal on the subject) + believing that all Roddick's opponents have to do is block back his serve . . . is really making me wonder about your intentions.
TheFifthSet
G.O.A.T.
Roddick has a much better forehand than Goran, that much anybody would concede. His fitness, and mental strength is much better as well. Serve is a wash. Goran has a better backhand, volley, slightly better return and better mover. He was more dangerous than Roddick but he was not a tougher day-in day-out opponent.
Wouldn't you disagree with ksbh's assertion that all an opponent has to do is block back Roddick's serve to have success against him?
Actually they speak against him, as seen in this image I had found on the ground previously posted a few pages back.
valiantgame2009
New User
I asked nick bollettieri this question in my interview on my blog:
http://www.valiantgame.com
He gave a quite fun answer..
http://www.valiantgame.com
He gave a quite fun answer..
ksbh
Banned
Thank you 5th! Likewise, I think you're a great member here too.
But this is just an internet forum, it's all in good fun. But I think you'll agree with me that such topics are subjective at best. All we can do is simply express our 'opinion'
But this is just an internet forum, it's all in good fun. But I think you'll agree with me that such topics are subjective at best. All we can do is simply express our 'opinion'
Azzurri
Legend
you must have grown up near power lines. For the last time, its a FACT that Roddick's GAME is not an issue for Roger Federer..its a FACT. Do you not underastand this point? Do you disagree? Do you think an 19-3 h2h is competitive?
Goran's serve is as good or better than Roddick's. Goran's has a different game than Roddick's. The MATCHUP would be very different for Roger and that is why I THINK/BELIEVE/FEEL that Goran's game is a better match up then Roddick's.
If Roddick plays Goran in 10 matches it would probably go even 5/5..while I think Goran has a somewhat stronger game, it does not equate to all surfaces. So Roddick's game is better for today's slower surfaces and he would be a higher ranked player (overall), but again-MATCHUP- wise Goran would give anyone fits.
Tired of people like you that are either close-minded or completely clueless. I enjoy differences of opinion as long as there is logic. I tend to write "I understand your point, etc., etc" when someone has a logical arguement. We don't need to agree, but sorry you and some others have no idea what you are talking about.
Goran really doesn't have alot to hurt Federer with outside of the ad serve slice serve. His volleys are better than Roddick's, but not to the extent that alot of people believe. He was nowhere near as good as Sampras, Henman, Rafter, etc. who were all naturals at the net.
His game also doesn't have alot of consistency either. So I don't see how he's going to beat Federer at all unless it's on an ultra slick and fast surface.
Azzurri
Legend
I agree, Roddick's current game is far better than it was the past 4 or 5 years. I hope he continues to play this way, but we shall see.
I don't think you are giving Goran enough credit. He would give trouble to Fed unlike Karlovic. Think of Karlovic with that serve and the ability to get to net and be aggressive. While Karlovic has a bigger serve, Goran actually was able to use his powerful serve. I think Goran would be a great matchup fpr Fed at W, carpet and USO, but not on any slower surface. But again, you don't know Goran;s game if you think Fed would not have trouble. Too bad he was an extreme headcase...way worse than Safin. Obviosuly you don't seem to know that the game is 90% mental and Goran was like a babbling toddler for many of his matches....to bad.
darthpwner
Banned
Federer would kick Goran's ass at USO. Goran only made 1 US Semi, and lost to Sampras. Federer won 5 straight. Goes to show how much you know. On grass or carpet, Goran will have success against Roger.
Azzurri
Legend
It did not take much either...real loser in my book.
Gosh, you must have really thick head. Yes Roddick's game is not that much a deal for Fed. However, NEITHER is goran's!!!! Are you stupid??? That you think Goran's game is MORE of a problem than Roddick's is a fantasy in your "brain". What you don't seem to understand about logic is that your FEELING that goran's game is better is NOT LOGIC. Imbecile.
Azzurri
Legend
Try to understand my point..I never said BEAT FED, show me where I noted he would beat Federer. I ststed very clearly and very often he would give him trouble, more so than Roddick. However, if Goran had a chance it would be CARPET and GRASS. I stated this yet you end with "So I don't see how he's going to beat Federer at all unless it's on an ultra slick and fast surface"...are you that clueless?? I already stated this..are you seriously blind?
The portion about Goran's volley not being much better than Roddick's is an absolute joke. If you think that, please don't bother me with this. Oh, just to shut you up...how many Wimbledon titles did Henman and Rafter win????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
egn
Hall of Fame
Goran volley > Roddick's Volley.
However what was the point of how many wimbledons did Henman and Rafter win...they each won 0 and played serve and volley tennis?
Is it because Goran beat them to win his wimbledon?
Azzurri
Legend
LOL, shows how much you know Simple Jack. The courts at the USO have been slowed down since 1992. That is a fact. Goran's problems at the USO go further than the surface (something you are clueless about). I already stated grass and carpet, guess you MISSED that one. I said Goran would give him a better match then Roddick would...are you that clueless????
Azzurri
Legend
Bye-bye Bruce. I am no longer going to explain things to a Simple Jack full ****** like you. on to the ignore list...you are the quickest poster to ever go on my list. that makes you the biggest idiot I have ever posted to...amazing how much of a moron you are.
Azzurri
Legend
during Goran, Rafter and Henman's day Wimbledon was the ultimate S&V test. Pete was the best hence the 7 titles, but Rafter and Henman never won W so giving Goran some respect considering he won Wimbledon and the other two failed. He was quite a bit better volleyer than Roddick, while Rafter and Henman were better at the net (neither had anywhere near Gran's serve), Goran was no slouch. hope this helps.
edberg505
Legend
Federer played Goran twice, once on carpet, and didn't win a set. Just from looking at the points of one those matches I'm inclined to believe that Goran wouldn't trouble Federer much more than Roddick has been able to do. Granted that was a very young Federer and an older Goran but I just don't see any way that Goran could hurt Federer that much more than Roddick.
Azzurri
Legend
what were the scores in the two matches? I had a hard time getting info on the ATP site. thanks.
edberg505
Legend
I think the carpet score was 4 and 4. The hard court was 5 and 3 I believe.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
If Goran is serving well theres not much Federer can do (Goran has the advantage of being a lefty), and also Goran would take huge cuts at Federer's second serve (Goran is an agressive returner unlike Roddick). So I see Goran having a better h2h with Federer than Roddick.
@Azzurri
What the hell's wrong with you? Your opinion isn't any better than anyone else in here so stop insulting other posters. In fact most people in here disagree with you. Goran is inferior to Roddick, and his resume proved it even though Roddick's is still active. In addition, Goran was taken to the woodshed by teenage Federer twice. So it's more logical to say Goran wouldn't of given Fed anymore trouble(if not less) than Roddick. And again, for you to say Fed had NO issues with Roddick's serve at 2009 SW19 is laughable.
What the hell's wrong with you? Your opinion isn't any better than anyone else in here so stop insulting other posters. In fact most people in here disagree with you. Goran is inferior to Roddick, and his resume proved it even though Roddick's is still active. In addition, Goran was taken to the woodshed by teenage Federer twice. So it's more logical to say Goran wouldn't of given Fed anymore trouble(if not less) than Roddick. And again, for you to say Fed had NO issues with Roddick's serve at 2009 SW19 is laughable.
edberg505
Legend
The very fact that their H2H is 2-0 in favour of Federer, I'm going to have to disagree. You should probably take a look at that video I posted. Take huge cuts at Federer's serve? LOL, who do you think Federer is, Sjeng Schalken. It's so easy to take huge cuts on Federer's serve. C'mon now. You can't be serious. I mean look at some of the people that Goran has lost to, even on grass and carpet.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Wait, so if you're only a fan of former pros (Graf, Seles, Sampras), why the hell are you posting in this section? Though you did mysteriously become a JMDP fan during the USO final (More trolling by the GTOAT) Why start meaningless threads like this one, in order to incite more pointless era debates? Why bump a thread a few weeks ago, that was first created 5 years ago, discussing the weakness of Federer's competition?
I've posted on Blake in match threads, regular threads, the pro gear section, hell just look at the first thread I posted when I joined TT. And yet you still choose to chastise me just because I, among others, know that your mancrush Pete is no longer a candidate in any serious, non biased, GOAT discussions.
You are the biggest troll on TT. The sooner people realize this and stop replying to your posts and threads as if they are actually NOT biased, is the sooner TT becomes a lot better.
Oh and BTW, 15 is still greater than 14. Always keep that in mind. Basic mathematics.
Azzurri
Legend
I did watch a little on the tube, you are right its hard to tell. But looking at what Goran did at Wimbledon and carpet, I still say he gives Fed fits. Not saying he would have a better h2h on thos surfaces (he would not), but there would be some great matches.
edberg505
Legend
I dunno, it'd be interesting to see.
Haha, you can't explain because you know it's BS. Get a clue jacka$$.
Azzurri
Legend
truly, it would. Fed has the ability to make Goran go insane..he did it when he was only 18 (saw the video segment of the London match in 200). Funny stuff.
Azzurri
Legend
obsessedtennisfandisorder
Professional
he is pretty funny, but in a clueless way.
I agree, but the major point I want to make here is that it's just very difficult
too compare roddick and goran because the game of tennis has changed since the 90's serve and volley at very fast wimbledon etc. Also fast
indoor courts have just about disappeared.
A lot of great wimbledon matches...eg becker and goran relied alot on
special skill sets with the serve..and the volley skill was ULTRA important.
just like having a good fh and bh are today.
Roddick's *great* serving in today's game is all wasted because everyone stays back...totally different "defense orientated" approach to the game.
spins and swings on serves are just as important as pure speed...and of course accuracy...and how you can disguise your toss etc. Sure this is
still relevant today..but not like it was back then. Nadal can get away
with crap serving in today's game....in the 90's you were toast. the emphasis
has changed.
Hey azzuri, we are wasting our time withsome members on this board,
especially people like TMF, some others like jamesblake are prepared to debate which is good.
many people don't get my views on here which i stated last month.
The ONLY fact is TWers...we are left with different types of baseliners.
numbers mean nothing because the variable you are measuring against
eg the opponents are variable in themselves.
jamesblake argued to me how come we don't know roddick/hewitt were'nt
better(whatever that means) rivals than courier or agassi. well jamesblakefan
you're right...we don't know. how can you measure the distance between
two walls continuously moving?
We can't compare eras...because the game has changed, so while I agree
with a lot of what grafselesfan says, i agree we should bring these kinda
GOAT/era threads to an end(of course I've gone and bumped this threadLOL)
heck, even nalby and marcos are out of action in recent months. so who
in the top twenty now is taking the ball on the rise agassi style?
Everybody is entitled to their opinion on this board....
did gamesampras assault somebody or something LOL?
helloworld
Hall of Fame
In your dream, boy.
No, it's not a waste b/c it's suicide to come in on every serve today. That's just like saying Goran comes in on every serve is a waste in this era b/c conditions favor baseliners. You just said the game has changed and players adapt to the style that's best suit for their game.
You are completely wrong about grafselesfan....
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