Federer : Im playing the best tennis of my life and I'm still not the best player eve

[jg153040]

That's correct.....

Except to me and a growing number of people we just can't get by the fact that Nadal dominates Federer.

Does that mean Nadal is the goat....NO!!!.....but it does mean to us that Federer cannot be the Goat.

Depends really how you define goat or domination. For most goat is not perfect, but with most titles.

And domination can be a lot of different things. Not only h2h. Fed did dominate Nadal and the field with nr.1 rankings and slams. You can also say that Fed dominated guys who beat Nadal at the same tournament.

When both players are playing in the draw, the winner dominates the tournament even when not playing all players.

For some Roddick is better player than Djokovic, because of th eh2h, no matter how many titles Djokovic has.

So it's all subjective.

 

[zagor]

Well I'm not sure......

How are you not sure? Agassi himself said he was the better player than in say 1995, Agassi is sure but you aren't? Do you know better than Agassi?

I'm talking about the slam when he was 35 and was limping in the final, the year he had to be carried out of the FO after losing in the first round the year he missed Wimbledon .

Whatever year that was .....he was wheelchair agassi

Ah, trying to change subjects.

Tell me this though, aside from the final (I have my doubts but I'll presume you watched some of it) did you watch a single match from Agassi from USO that year? Be honest.

 

[The Dark Knight]

Depends really how you define goat or domination. For most goat is not perfect, but with most titles.

And domination can be a lot of different things. Not only h2h. Fed did dominate Nadal and the field with nr.1 rankings and slams. You can also say that Fed dominated guys who beat Nadal at the same tournament.

When both players are playing in the draw, the winner dominates the tournament even when not playing all players.

So it's all subjective.

Not really....because Nadal was still a "boy" according to Fed.

That was the only time he was ever able to beat Nadal in a slam.

Nadal is pretty much undefeated against Fed in slams once Nadal developed into a man.

I'm sorry but to me and a growing number of tennis fans that means that Federer simply cannot be the greatest.

 

[zagor]

But we as fans can say it point blankly.....we were wrong .

Now, now, no need to speak for others, it's a bit arrogant to presume to know what other people think without asking them, speak for yourself.

Let's just say that if the vast majority of tennis fans and general public shared your opinion on Fed (loser, can only win against weak opponents, not one of the greatest ever etc.) Fed would hardly continue getting all these lucrative endorsement deals, I mean he's not a tall legged blonde like Sharapova, now is he?

 

[The Dark Knight]

Zagor,

Let me also add that your missing the key point of Agassi's statement.....

He is saying that the competition is a lot tougher now !

Even Federer has called this the golden era.

I agree with Agassi and Federer....and this is the true reason in my opinion that Fed doesn't win as many slams......

And it is a rational and valid opinion as even the greats and Fed himself admits.

 

[The Dark Knight]

Now, now, no need to speak for others, it's a bit arrogant to presume to know what other people think without asking them, speak for yourself.

Let's just say that if the vast majority of tennis fans and general public shared your opinion on Fed (loser, can only win against weak opponents, not one of the greatest ever etc.) Fed would hardly continue getting all these lucrative endorsement deals, I mean he's not a tall legged blonde like Sharapova, now is he?

Really so Kournikova was a goat?

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

That means that there is no undisputed goat. But most expert usually put Laver or Fed at the top.

Until some players come and break Feds and Lavers achievements.
This is all subjective. There is no 100% right or wrong here.

Then why argue for days saying anything that would appear to make Federer the GOAT--which would require the force of a "100% right" set of information in order to reach your conclusions? That is the direction of your arguments in the "Nadal/GOAT" and "Becker" threads.

To avoid being pinned as an advocate for anyone demands neutrality--essentially a "There is no GOAT" position a few in the aforementioned boards have posted.

 

[Feather]

Ah but you didn't answer it directly, was Agassi in 2003 wheelchair Agassi or not, because he himself says he played the best tennis of his career, are you an Agassi hater?

Fed beat Agassi twice in 2003, that's also the year that incredibly weak player (according to you) Roddick finished as #1.

I still remember Pete after losing to some guy in early 2002 said something like, " I played as best as I could still I lost". There was an article written by an Indian writer, Nirmal Shekar, about that. He is the sports writer in the best Indian sports weekly, The Sportstar. The writer said everyone who listened to the speech knew the guy Pete lost to wouldn't have taken a set from peak Pete. Yet, Pete was sayinng that infront of the media. It's actually sad in a way when the greats say stuff like this. I tried to google and get a link but couldn't. Lastly, Nirmal Shekar is a die hard fan of Pete Sampras. I just thought I share it with you. If my memory serves me right, the title was something like, " Quitting in style is a tough trick". Unfortunately we don't have online version.

I am sure Indians in this board will be aware of Nirmal Shekhar. He is also involved with sports section of The Hindu, the best Indian english newspaper

 

[The Dark Knight]

Then why argue for days saying anything that would appear to make Federer the GOAT--which would require the force of a "100% right" set of information in order to reach your conclusions? That is the direction of your arguments in the "Nadal/GOAT" and "Becker" threads.

To avoid being pinned as an adcovate for anyone demands neutrality--essentially a "There is no GOAT" position a few in the aforementioned boards have posted.

The money shot !

The answer is because JG has changed his mind!

You have succeeded thunder!

And it's cool.....nothing wrong JG...welcome to our club .

The club of rational tennis fans

 

[zagor]

Zagor,

Let me also add that your missing the key point of Agassi's statement.....

He is saying that the competition is a lot tougher now !

He's also saying he played his best tennis ever in 2003 when Fed beat him twice and weak era clown Roddick won Canada-Cincy-USO (extremely tough feat, only Rafter managed it as far as I know) and ended year #1.

Are you saying Agassi is a bad player or that you know better than Agassi?

Are you an Agassi hater?

Even Federer has called this the golden era.

I agree with Agassi and Federer....and this is the true reason in my opinion that Fed doesn't win as many slams......

No, you agree with Fed and Agassi and any other former or current tennis player only when it suits your agenda.

Case in point, Agassi says he played his best tennis in 2003, you say "I don't know".

Nadal said Fed is the best ever for him, you completely ignore that statement.

And it is a rational and valid opinion as even the greats and Fed himself admits.

So you need to have your opinion approved in order for it to be rational and valid?

Really so Kournikova was a goat?

Haha, no.

As usually, the point I'm trying to make flew right above your head.

 

[The Dark Knight]

No it is my point that is above your head......

Agassi says that Federer is playing as well as he ever has but that the competition is tougher.

Federer himself says he is playing the best tennis in his life but that this is the golden era.

The whole world is calling this the golden era.....

Except you....you simply cannot admit that the competition has gotten a whole whole lot tougher and that is the reason that Fed has won less and less slams.

 

[Feather]

The money shot !

The answer is because JG has changed his mind!

You have succeeded thunder!

And it's cool.....nothing wrong JG...welcome to our club .

The club of rational tennis fans

You call yourself a rational tennis fan? And you think people reading your posts are stupid to buy that. You flip flop every time. You don't have a consistant opinion of yourself and you are obsessed with Federer. And you call yourself rational?

You said Agassi is wheel chair at one post. Now when there is a quote of Agassi that he played his best Tennis when he was old, you flip flop, saying 35 and 33.

 

[Tennis Fanatic 070]

"When it’s all said and done, Andre Agassi believes tennis superstar Roger Federer must be ranked alongside the likes of Jack Nicklaus and Michael Jordan as one of the greatest athletes of all time."
Agassi;
“The guy has single-handedly separated himself from a world-class field year after year after year in a way that’s probably never been done"


I repeat this again, so case closed, we follow Agassi, Fed is the GAOAT (greatest athlete of all time)

 

[Bender]

You may be named The Dark Knight but the way you try to start wars all the time makes you more like the Joker.

 

[The Dark Knight]

You call yourself a rational tennis fan? And you think people reading your posts are stupid to buy that. You flip flop every time. You don't have a consistant opinion of yourself and you are obsessed with Federer. And you call yourself rational?

You said Agassi is wheel chair at one post. Now when there is a quote of Agassi that he played his best Tennis when he was old, you flip flop, saying 35 and 33.

Except that never happened.

I merely posted a quote.....the point of which is that Agassi thinks Fed is playing the best tennis of his life but that the competition is tougher,

Which is pretty much a fact......

This is the golden era which means its a lot tougher than all the eras prior,,,,,and that is the reason Fed has won so few slams since 2008.

 

[The Dark Knight]

You may be named The Dark Knight but the way you try to start wars all the time makes you more like the Joker.

It's not hard.....all you have to do is post an article saying that Fed is not God and then watch these people go batty.

Which is why the dark knight is the perfect name

 

[jg153040]

Then why argue for days saying anything that would appear to make Federer the GOAT--which would require the force of a "100% right" set of information in order to reach your conclusions? That is the direction of your arguments in the "Nadal/GOAT" and "Becker" threads.

To avoid being pinned as an adcovate for anyone demands neutrality--essentially a "There is no GOAT" position a few in the aforementioned boards have posted.

I argue just for the sake of arguing sometimes. And to mess with haters. It's fun. Also I argue the logic people use or if there can even be goat. It's open to interpretation so it's also fun. It's fun to laugh at ignorance. Also it's also fun to make fun of myself. I make crazy mistakes also.

You are right, in theory we should all be neutral. But we are all biased in some ways. Even experts or scientists. Even the best scientists are biased and interpret evidence to suit their theories. But that is why they all accept the consensus. They also disagree on so many details. But they go with majority, because it is more likely that majority of experts are right.

It's all about the probability, nothing is 100%.

 

[zagor]

No it is my point that is above your head......

A child could see your point, it's that transparent.

Agassi says that Federer is playing as well as he ever has but that the competition is tougher.

Federer himself says he is playing the best tennis in his life but that this is the golden era.

So do we take everything tennis greats say at face value? Yes or no.

I mean if you're allowed to disagree with Agassi, Nadal and Laver on certain issues why should I (or anyone else) be allowed to do the same?

The whole world is calling this the golden era.....

Oh my, now you're speaking for the "whole world", hilarious stuff.

My advice, hop into former pro section, run this by them to see if they think this era is golden compared to 80s or 60s?

Except you....you simply cannot admit that the competition has gotten a whole whole lot tougher and that is the reason that Fed has won less and less slams.

Why should I admit something I don't believe? I form my own opinion, don't need to parrot any "important person" for me to believe my opinion is rational and valid (as you would put it).

I use my head and think for myself and I don't need "validation" from anyone.

 

[The Dark Knight]

Why are we still discussing all this with a 13 year old who claimes Sampras retired at his peak?

I truly think I never saw him write anything rational at all

Except I never said that.

 

[Feather]

Except that never happened.

I merely posted a quote.....the point of which is that Agassi thinks Fed is playing the best tennis of his life but that the competition is tougher,

Which is pretty much a fact......

This is the golden era which means its a lot tougher than all the eras prior,,,,,and that is the reason Fed has won so few slams since 2008.

No it happened, you are avoding the question.

If you are man enough, you will answer rather than run away from it.

Agassi said that he played his best Tennis in 2003. Do you agree with that or not? If you agree then you are wrong to call Agassi, wheel chair Agassi.

Yes or no?

 

[The Dark Knight]

Why should I admit something I don't believe? I form my own opinion, don't need to parrot any "important person" for me to believe my opinion is rational and valid (as you would put it).

I use my head and think for myself and I don't need "validation" from anyone.

So everyone is wrong. This is not the golden era and we should just take your word over everyone else?

Maybe the real reason you won't admit it is because then Federer may not be God?

 

[Feather]

So everyone is wrong. This is not the golden era and we should just take your word over everyone else?

Maybe the real reason you won't admit it is because then Federer may not be God?

Regarding Nadal's opinion, Maybe the real reason you won't admit it is because then Federer may be the GOAT?

 

[zagor]

So everyone is wrong. This is not the golden era and we should just take your word over everyone else?

Who is "everyone" exactly?

But you still haven't answered my question, do we take opinions of former/current tennis greats as an undisputed fact or not? Yes or no?

Maybe the real reason you won't admit it is because then Federer may not be God?

Never claimed Fed is God or that he's the undisputed greatest player of all time (GOAT), why should I claim something I don't believe.

Nice strawman though.

 

[jg153040]

Except I never said that.

But this is Fedal city. You are coming here attacking and Fed fans defending.
So you are a villain here, not some innocent guy.

 

[The Dark Knight]

No it happened, you are avoding the question.

If you are man enough, you will answer rather than run away from it.

Agassi said that he played his best Tennis in 2003. Do you agree with that or not? If you agree then you are wrong to call Agassi, wheel chair Agassi.

Yes or no?

Really....please point out exactly when I said that.

I called agassi in threads past .....and I'm on this merry go round and then I get accused of repeating myself.

I'm not sure what year it was but the wheel chair agassi I'm referring to I'm past threads was the year he was 35 years old....when he limped in the final against Fed and had to be shot up with cortisone. The same year he was literally carried out of the FO and had to miss Wimbledon......

And yet somehow he made the final of a slam.......

That year was pathetic.....how he made it to a final is beyond me. That is the year he should have been in a wheelchair .

It was pathetic and he should have been put out of his misery .

How anyone could call that completion is beyond me.

 

[zagor]

Regarding Nadal's opinion, Maybe the real reason you won't admit it is because then Federer may be the GOAT?

Ha, it's hilarious.

He still hasn't addressed Nadal's opinion

 

[Tennis Fanatic 070]

Except I never said that.

You said that he retired at the top, tomatoes, tomatoes.

Still you really got a lot to learn. My guess is, since you are at this forum a lot, that you like tennis, but you are very young and/or you never watched tennis in the past. So everything you say about tennis back in the days, is based on ignorance,on what you heard and read on the internet.

So you probably never even saw Federer play in his prime. You're way out of your league, buddy

 

[Feather]

Really....please point out exactly when I said that.

I called agassi in threads past .....and I'm on this merry go round and then I get accused of repeating myself.

I'm not sure what year it was but the wheel chair agassi I'm referring to I'm past threads was the year he was 35 years old....when he limped in the final against Fed and had to be shot up with cortisone. The same year he was literally carried out of the FO and had to miss Wimbledon......

And yet somehow he made the final of a slam.......

That year was pathetic.....how he made it to a final is beyond me. That is the year he should have been in a wheelchair .

It was pathetic and he should have been put out of his misery .

How anyone could call that completion is beyond me.

For the nth time

Agassi said he played his best Tennis in 2003. Do you agree with him or not?

 

[zagor]

There's a difference between Fed fans and fed ***** (which is not allowed to be said here now?)

Fed fans such as you can see both sides while still maintaining their position.

*******sare rabid fans who only see one point : Fed is God.

Any thought otherwise is an act of blasphemy.

So Nadal is a Fed ********* (whatever word you used) because he thinks Fed is the greatest player?

 

[Feather]

There's a difference between Fed fans and fed ***** (which is not allowed to be said here now?)

Fed fans such as you can see both sides while still maintaining their position.

*******sare rabid fans who only see one point : Fed is God.

Any thought otherwise is an act of blasphemy.

OK, admit am not as rational like you and am a fed****.

However, can you use your wisdom to clear this doubt of mine, which I believe only you can clear here

Roger Federer : I am not the greatest player of all time.
Rafael Nadal : Roger is the greatest of all time.

Both contradictory statements. As an enlightened Tennis fan, could you tell me who is right? And why is he right?

 

[zagor]

For the nth time

Agassi said he played his best Tennis in 2003. Do you agree with him or not?

But you seem tennis greats' opinions are infallible and should be taken as gospel only when they coincide with Dark Knight's views, other times they don't know what they're talking about.

Which indirectly means that Dark Knight's opinion is the standard, the opinion of tennis greats are only valid when they coincide with his.

 

[Feather]

So Nadal is a Fed ********* (whatever word you used) because he thinks Fed is the greatest player?

lol lol

:lol: :lol:

 

[The Dark Knight]

For the nth time

Agassi said he played his best Tennis in 2003. Do you agree with him or not?

For the 10th time I don't remember the exact year.....I remember the wheelchair year.....when at 35 Agassi could barely walk and made it to a grand slam final against Federer .

Whatever year that was ....it was pathetic.

 

[jg153040]

Ha, it's hilarious.

He still hasn't addressed Nadal's opinion

Lol, this forum is so funny. Nadal fans not listening to Nadal, but Fed fans not listening to Fed.

Fed says you can't know who is goat. But Nadal says Fed is goat and h2h doesn't count.

FEDAL are just trolling lol. They are friends and just relaxing on the beach collecting cash.

 

[The Dark Knight]

You have forced me to look up wiki.....

Agassi's wheelchair year was 2006.....that was a joke. He should have been put out of his misery.

 

[Tennis Fanatic 070]

Lol, this forum is so funny. Nadal fans not listening to Nadal, but Fed fans not listening to Fed.

Fed says you can't know who is goat. But Nadal says Fed is goat and h2h doesn't count.

FEDAL are just trolling lol. They are friends and just relaxing on the beach collecting cash.

Not yet relaxing on the beach though....And you can't say you're the GOAT about yourself....

 

[Feather]

But you seem tennis greats' opinions are infallible and should be taken as gospel only when they coincide with Dark Knight's views, other times they don't know what they're talking about.

Which indirectly means that Dark Knight's opinion is the standard, the opinion of tennis greats are only valid when they coincide with his.

I normally don't post in Dark Knights threads and here am at home, taken half day leave and waiting for 430 match. So I just thought I will engage him for a while and voila, it's 430. Time to watch the match.

 

[Feather]

You have forced me to look up wiki.....

Agassi's wheelchair year was 2006.....that was a joke. He should have been put out of his misery.

Good, you checked wiki.

At age 35, Agassi reached 4th round. At the same age, this year, Tommy Haas reached QF in RG, in fact he went one more round.

So, 2013 is even big a joke.

Come on, a 35 year old guy is reaching QF, that too in the golden era ? How is that possible? How can Roger Federer and you be wrong at the same time?

 

[The Dark Knight]

Good, you checked wiki.

At age 35, Agassi reached 4th round. At the same age, this year, Tommy Haas reached QF in RG, in fact he went one more round.

So, 2013 is even big a joke.

Come on, a 35 year old guy is reaching QF, that too in the golden era ? How is that possible?

Here we go on the merry go round....

That year Agassi literally had to be carried off the court at the FO.....LITERALLY.

He was hobbling on one leg and lost in the first round.

He had such bad sciatica he couldn't even play at Wimby .

Against Fed in the final ......in the middle of the match he started to limp.....LITERALLY.

He was shot up with so much cortisone that it would have given a horse a heart attack.

That's is why I called him wheelchair agassi.......because the man literally needed a wheelchair........it's not even a joke.....

He could NOT walk.

 

[tennis_pro]

I answered this already. I swear its like a merry go round with you:

Do you have an excuse for everything?

 

[The Dark Knight]

Do you have an excuse for everything?

Yeah....

Can't debate now ......watching the match .

 

[sunof tennis]

Fed said:

"I think I'm playing some of the best tennis of my life right now."

You said he is not as consistent.

You don't see a contradiction?

You are not reading the quote carefully. He clearly says that he is playing some of the best tennis of his life. He did not say he is playing better tennis now or that he is consistently playing his best tennis. As often happens with older athletes, Federer has times where the old magic is there, however, it is not there as consistently as it was in 2004-2007.
Again, reading is fundamental....

 

[VPhuc tennis fan]

You are not reading the quote carefully. He clearly says that he is playing some of the best tennis of his life. He did not say he is playing better tennis now or that he is consistently playing his best tennis. As often happens with older athletes, Federer has times where the old magic is there, however, it is not there as consistently as it was in 2004-2007.
Again, reading is fundamental....

Is reading a pre-requisite to post on this forum? LOL. I thought just know how to copy and paste text is more important, then make your own justifications on whatever crosses your mind! Clearly someone loves to copy and paste, let's see Becker, Agassi, Kardashian (!!!!WTH), and now Fed's own words!
Reading and COMPREHENDING, are clearly OVER-RATED! Agree? LOL

 

[WhiskeyEE]

You guys do realize that TDK is sitting at home masturbating over how much of your time he's wasting right?

Everyday he gets to come and read your replies and get his control fix that he obviously doesn't get in real life.

 

[The Dark Knight]

You are not reading the quote carefully. He clearly says that he is playing some of the best tennis of his life. He did not say he is playing better tennis now or that he is consistently playing his best tennis. As often happens with older athletes, Federer has times where the old magic is there, however, it is not there as consistently as it was in 2004-2007.
Again, reading is fundamental....

How convenient .

So when he wins he is playing his best tennis and when he loses he is not .

What about Agassis comment? He also believes that Federer is playing the best tennis of his life it's just that the competition is tougher.

 

[Hood_Man]

You guys do realize that TDK is sitting at home masturbating over how much of your time he's wasting right?

Everyday he gets to come and read your replies and get his control fix that he obviously doesn't get in real life.

Well, it's one way to spend one's birthday.

Alone.

Crying.

 

[The Dark Knight]

You are not reading the quote carefully. He clearly says that he is playing some of the best tennis of his life. He did not say he is playing better tennis now or that he is consistently playing his best tennis. As often happens with older athletes, Federer has times where the old magic is there, however, it is not there as consistently as it was in 2004-2007.
Again, reading is fundamental....

The church of Federer interprets the bible how they see fit.

According to the church of Federer The greatest clay courter of all time is Borg even though no one else agrees with that .

 

[The Dark Knight]

Wimbledon 2012: I'm not greatest player - Roger Federer

Roger Federer says he does not feel like the greatest player ever despite winning his seventh Wimbledon title.

The Swiss beat Britain's Andy Murray to capture a record 17th Grand Slam triumph - his first since January 2010.

But he said the modern era meant players were under more pressure to chase records.

"I don't feel better than anyone, because we need past champions to pave the way for our generation and we have become very professional," he said.

"They have led the way and inspired myself and other players to chase the big records out there.

"Back in the day they weren't doing that, they were just playing to play tennis. Things have changed dramatically with the press reminding us 'you should do this and win that and you'll be considered the greatest of all time'.

"And anyway I don't think you can compare different eras in tennis."

Victory means Federer has emulated Pete Sampras and William Renshaw by capturing seven men's singles titles at the All England Club.

And it took the 30-year-old back to the top of the world rankings, defying critics who had suggested he was past his best.

"I knew how close I was for the last few years but some people didn't quite see that," he said.

"I think the belief got me to victory today, and almost two other ones in the last couple of years as well."

Federer had endured a 30-month wait for his 17th Grand Slam title, having last won a major at the 2010 Australian Open, where he beat Murray in straight sets.

"I think it was a time where I just had to believe that things were going to turn around for me," he said.

"I think I'm playing some of the best tennis of my life right now."

Last year's showing at the All England Club was a low point for Federer, going out in the quarter-finals to Frenchman Jo-Wilfried Tsonga.

Murray, having had a shot at sporting immortality, will be haunted by this one for a while. But while it will be of little comfort to him now, another rather different battle might finally have been won.

But he admitted his winning return, and record-equalling seventh SW19 triumph, had come as a relief.

"When it all happened I was just so happy that it was all over and that the pressure was gone, basically," he said.

"I guess that came due to the tough loss I had here last year. There were a couple of tough moments for me over the last couple years."

And Federer had words of comfort for his beaten opponent Murray, who is still striving for an elusive first Grand Slam title despite reaching four finals.

"I really do believe he will win Grand Slams, not just one," he said.

"I do wish him all the best. This is genuine. He works extremely hard. He's as professional as you can be.

"Things just didn't quite turn out for him in the finals liked he hoped for. But today I'm sure he got another step closer to a Grand Slam title."


Federer's winning moment and reaction

From God himself

 

[Luminaire]

You actually dug this out of the past, and bumped it. You are obsessed. Why so desperate? BTW, it's not from god.

 

[mike danny]

That was from almost 2 years ago when Fed was still on top of the world literally.

Since then a lot of things have changed