Federer in god mode?

aldeayeah

Legend
Not sure; I think other players would have done far more with Fed's serve today than Tsonga did.

The Murray match will be a better measuring stick.
 

thejoe

Hall of Fame
Tsonga seemed a little disinterested at times. Federer played well, but I'm not getting too excited just yet. Next round should be interesting.
 
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TheAnty-vic

Guest
He's in GOAT mode!! He'll win No.18!!
Remember you heard it first here
 

zam88

Professional
Really? Well, he's gonna lose to Murray in this god-mode.

Fed's just trolling his fans like he always does since 2010.
Well in 2012 a lot of his "trolling" worked


I still think he can actually win the Murray match... it's just that it's borderline delusional to think he could beat Ralph or Nole.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
Well in 2012 a lot of his "trolling" worked


I still think he can actually win the Murray match... it's just that it's borderline delusional to think he could beat Ralph or Nole.
I'm not sure he's playing that great because Tsonga clearly had an off day with his game. If he's in great form, sure he can beat Murray, even Djokovic. I think Fed might still be capable of taking down Djokovic. But not Nadal, I'm afraid. I've seen him play very good tennis and still get beaten by Nadal. I don't know how but Nadal almost always plays near perfect against Federer.
 

zam88

Professional
I don't know how but Nadal almost always plays near perfect against Federer.
I think over the past 4-5 years it's been the mental aspect.

obviously nadal is a historically phenomenal player.

So many of their matches happened on clay early where Nadal is unquestionably a better player that he just learned a great gameplan for how to beat Roger.

Just goes to show how matchup oriented tennis can be that Nadal could consistently beat the greatest player of all time, yet shockingly would lose to far lesser talents surprisingly often, especially on hard courts before 2009.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I think over the past 4-5 years it's been the mental aspect.

obviously nadal is a historically phenomenal player.

So many of their matches happened on clay early where Nadal is unquestionably a better player that he just learned a great gameplan for how to beat Roger.

Just goes to show how matchup oriented tennis can be that Nadal could consistently beat the greatest player of all time, yet shockingly would lose to far lesser talents surprisingly often, especially on hard courts before 2009.
yea but nadal's hand is torn up. and roger serving great right now and that tips the balance in Federer side
 

zam88

Professional
yea but nadal's hand is torn up. and roger serving great right now and that tips the balance in Federer side

no way.

One match doesn't convince me Federer is back no matter how much I want him to be.

Furthermore as much as I hate Nadal and everything he's denied Federer from achieving... the one thing I'm convinced of is that if Rafa takes the court in a grand slam match against Roger, he's going to win.

The 2009 AO I thought was THE match Roger was going to win.. I thought there was no way Nadal would have the energy after that huge Verdasco match.. a match I'm still disappointed Verdy couldn't close.... I thought if there was a slam final Roger could get retribution at... it would be that one.

Once he lost that, I can understand why he cried because I considered doing so also... that match represented to me the definitive case that Roger would never beat Rafa in a 5 set match on any surface ever again... even though I still believe that if they had met in the 2009 USO final that he would have won there.

Blisters and exhaustion won't be enough... it would take a knee flare up/retirement for Roger to win if you ask me.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
HAHA....You are sounding like a humble gyaeno....
Btw -- where is Chico gone?
Am missing that fellow. He was fun.
yea, fed is possessed and serving 140 mph with 70 % precision. You better go buy his racket right now or go to Wilson and demand they release it today.
 

RoddickAce

Hall of Fame
I am a big fan of Fed's but honestly, when I saw a lot of the approach shots that he hit, I could envision Nadal/Djoker easily getting there and hitting passing shots off of it. The approaches are still missing some sting and are not placed in a spot that pressures the opponent a lot, but it worked because Tsonga's movement, anticipation and passing shots are not at Nadal/Djoker's level.

I was really anticipating something very different, given how much talk there has been in the early rounds, about Federer's new found pace, spin, strategies, etc. But it just seemed a good day for Fed, and didn't seem too different from the good days that Fed had in the past 2-3 years.
 
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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I am a big fan of Fed's but honestly, when I saw a lot of the approach shots that he hit, I could envision Nadal/Djoker easily getting there and hitting passing shots off of it. The approaches are still missing some sting and are not placed in a spot that pressures the opponent a lot, but it worked because Tsonga's movement, anticipation and passing shots are not at Nadal/Djoker's level.

I was really anticipating something very different, given how much talk there has been in the early rounds, about Federer's new found pace, spin, strategies, etc. But it just seemed a good day for Fed, and didn't seem too different from the good days that Fed had in the past 2-3 years.
Are you saying Tsonga's passing shots are garbage compared to Nadal's. I remind you that when he played Roger at Wimbledon and beat him, he hit passing shots like crazy against Roger. even more than Nadal did
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Are you saying Tsonga's passing shots are garbage compared to Nadal's. I remind you that when he played Roger at Wimbledon and beat him, he hit passing shots like crazy against Roger. even more than Nadal did
Tsonga's passing shots were not very good today though.He didn't display any fight, Nadal will, blisters or not.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Federer played well, but I'm not getting too excited just yet. Next round should be interesting.
I'm not looking ahead, but I'm getting excited nevertheless. Seeing Federer play tennis like this is my favorite thing to watch, sportswise.
Is he beating Murray? Perhaps.
Is he beating Nadal? Most likely, a big no.

But seeing him play like this simply pleases my eyes.
 

RoddickAce

Hall of Fame
Are you saying Tsonga's passing shots are garbage compared to Nadal's. I remind you that when he played Roger at Wimbledon and beat him, he hit passing shots like crazy against Roger. even more than Nadal did
No I'm not saying it's garbage, I just said it's not at the same level which is my opinion (this is for 5555).

I just think that due to Tsonga's lower speed/anticipation compared to Nadal/Djoker, he can't produce as good of shots on the run compared to Nadal/Djoker, like the following shots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkI4FpZDQcc&t=1m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkI4FpZDQcc&t=2m00s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkI4FpZDQcc&t=6m10s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkI4FpZDQcc&t=11m15s

Some of those shots Fed could have probably approached off of against Tsonga, but Fed can't event approach before Nadal hits a winner to the open court. And Nadal can produce these shots at will and can reach these Fed's approach shots earlier than Tsonga, therefore making it more challenging to beat when approaching.

Furthermore, I think Fed's form was better at the 2009 AO and Nadal's hardcourt form is better now than back then.

We will see how he does against Murray, someone who has great movement and anticipation to see how well this "new" (I put new in quotations since Paul Annacone was hired to do the same thing) net play strategy Fed is adopting.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

Guest
I'm not looking ahead, but I'm getting excited nevertheless. Seeing Federer play tennis like this is my favorite thing to watch, sportswise.
Is he beating Murray? Perhaps.
Is he beating Nadal? Most likely, a big no.

But seeing him play like this simply pleases my eyes.
Please, tell us more!
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
No I'm not saying it's garbage, I just said it's not at the same level which is my opinion (this is for 5555).

I just think that due to Tsonga's lower speed/anticipation compared to Nadal/Djoker, he can't produce as good of shots on the run compared to Nadal/Djoker, like the following shots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkI4FpZDQcc&t=1m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkI4FpZDQcc&t=2m00s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkI4FpZDQcc&t=6m10s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkI4FpZDQcc&t=11m15s

Some of those shots Fed could have probably approached off of against Tsonga, but Fed can't event approach before Nadal hits a winner to the open court. And Nadal can produce these shots at will and can reach these Fed's approach shots earlier than Tsonga, therefore making it more challenging to beat when approaching.

Furthermore, I think Fed's form was better at the 2009 AO and Nadal's hardcourt form is better now than back then.

We will see how he does against Murray, someone who has great movement and anticipation to see how well this "new" (I put new in quotations since Paul Annacone was hired to do the same thing) net play strategy Fed is adopting.

Understand what you mean... however, Federer's serve is much bigger now and Rafa won't be able to hurt him on the return anymore. so picture will change significantly.
 

RoddickAce

Hall of Fame
Understand what you mean... however, Federer's serve is much bigger now and Rafa won't be able to hurt him on the return anymore. so picture will change significantly.
Hopefully he serves well, but I seriously cringe when Fed approaches the net against Rafa, just like how I used to cringe when Roddick approaches against Fed.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Hopefully he serves well, but I seriously cringe when Fed approaches the net against Rafa, just like how I used to cringe when Roddick approaches against Fed.
LOL<LOL. Federer volleys 100 times better than Roddick ever did. and I think Federer volley is actually better than Edberg volley
 

RoddickAce

Hall of Fame
LOL<LOL. Federer volleys 100 times better than Roddick ever did. and I think Federer volley is actually better than Edberg volley
Yes which is why Roddick gets burned harder than Fed when he approaches against Nadal.

But Roddick being worse than Fed doesn't make the situation any less cringeworthy, especially at tight moments.
 

BretH

Semi-Pro
A good volley against Nadal is really one of the few ways to beat him. But the approach better be beyond reproach :)
 

mxmx

Hall of Fame
I am not a Federer fan...but I believe the new coach and a approach to more net play may be just what he needs to undo Nadal. It is hard passing a net player when using the amount of topspin as Nadal does.

RF is not a better volleyer than Edberg yet.
 
Edberg has six majors and Federer 17, but that's besides the point.

Towser is quite right: Edberg was a much better volleyer than Federer. The overall record is irrelevant. Federer's better at almost everything else than Edberg was. Nadal has 13 Slams and Ivanisevic got one. I hope you don't think that Nadal's a better server than Ivanisevic.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Edberg has six majors and Federer 17, but that's besides the point.

Towser is quite right: Edberg was a much better volleyer than Federer. The overall record is irrelevant. Federer's better at almost everything else than Edberg was. Nadal has 13 Slams and Ivanisevic got one. I hope you don't think that Nadal's a better server than Ivanisevic.
you blasphemer, how dare you. Roger Federer is GOD.
 
That is silly, Edberg has 5 majors because of the strength of his volleys...

Federer has only 17 because of the weakness of his volleys...
Again, Edberg has six majors. And he should have won more. For a start, he'd almost certainly have won the 1990 AO but for injury.
 
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