Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
What I said was clear enough and needs no explaining. Too bad it went over your head.
"Federer is focusing on the larger picture by skipping clay"
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Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Interesting how the weak era would have lasted longer had Fed won a few more points in the Wimbledon final.
kevaninho
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What I said was clear enough and needs no explaining. Too bad it went over your head.
Maybe English isn't your first language. No problem.
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You're welcome.
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roleaux987
New User
I think the 3 times 5-0 streaks Nadal has against Federer is a lot worse .
Federer is supposed to be the GOAT, yet was on losing streaks 3 times in his career to his nearest rival. LOL That's baaaaaddddddd
And i think nadals 0-2 to dustin brown, 1-2 at wimby vs mueller, his losing h2h v ferrer at HC slams to ferrer and same with blake, of course is 1-6 to davednko on HC is worse
Are you sure he is an ATG? Dustin brown? Losing to h2h vs djokovic is one thing but dustin brown at a SLAM? Mueller at a SLAM?
And no sorry if it was helping you to sleep at night but nadals 7-0 7-0 humiliation at his absolute peak is the worst humiliation any member of big four has done. No big four member has suffered such a outclassing and out playing
Id also class nadals 0-5 and counting to a 36 year old near 37 as awful too. A post surgery 37 year old! Come on!!
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
It is. But maybe selective loss of comprehension is a peculiar affliction that you have and in that case please accept my commiserations.Maybe English isn't your first language. No problem.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Nice try, but the 7-0 in 2015-16 was vulturing from Djokovic. Since y'all like to use things like that as an excuse
. Nadal would be the same tally up on Novak if they met consistently right now.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Of course, Nadal fans like you use the clay-courter excuse when it suits you. No guy with 2 Wimb finals and a bunch of masters on HC was just a clay courter. That argument should have been put to bed a long time ago.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
But do you accept that Nadal was getting closer each year to Fed on grass? This isn't just about Nadal winning in 08. He could've also won in 07 too.
roleaux987
New User
Nice try, but the 7-0 in 2015-16 was vulturing from Djokovic. Since y'all like to use things like that as an excuse
Nope why would nadals form just drop in his twenties like that? Its not possible. He was just made to look like a mug by djokovic. A guy in his twenties cant just slip off like that remember?
Nope h2h is what it is enough said no excuses.
If youre opening up excuses then nadal fed h2h just got destroyed too. And its to nadals discredit he doesnt have a bigger lead vs a 37 year old. Its shameful
So whats your excuse for mueller, davednko, brown etc
And no youre wrong 2011 7-0 demolition (the worst humiliation of all time by a big four player not even murray has suffered such humiliation) was nadal at his absolute very best. He cant play better. And he was outclassed, outplayed and demolished
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Exactly. All this weak era schtick is way too convenient. It could have started in 2007 is Fed had lost to Nadal/Djokovic at Wimb/USO, but Fed withstood their attacks and instead of the arrival of the strong era, 2007 remained the same weak era dominated by Roger Federer.
If Fed had won 2008 Wimb, it would have still been another weak year dominated by Roger Federer. And the weak era would have lasted until USO 2009 when the great strong era player Juan Martin Del Potro finally exposes weak era benefactor Roger Federer. And yes, I'm assuming Fed wins AO 2009 too after the Wimb 2008 victory.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yes, I accept that.
Which is why the weak era shtick starting in 2008 is way too convenient.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Oh boy, Humbalito fan feels so proud just watching his matches.
Good thing Rafa is not like you!Tennis_Hands
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Thankfully, this has never been a problem, as I have the comfort of choosing what I eat at all times (well, unless I am not at home, but even then it hasn't been a big issue) and the foundations for healthy eating habits were laid a long time ago by a family tradition.
I don't eat junk food and generally eat very balanced and healthy food (my biggest weakness in this regard is chocolate), but since I always eat different food and have never done fitness for anything else other than general good health and being somewhat competent in the sports of my choice, it is interesting to look into other areas that are linked to food, as is high level performance nutrition.
These days I have a bit more time on my hands, so I always play with different possibilities and looking to incorporate something new in my daily routines.
Not that I am going into bodybuilding, mind you, but maybe some small goals are a possibility.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Actually we have been saying this for a long time and we're glad that some of our Humbalito brethren also agree that he didn't leave his diapers behind for the first time in 2008.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
2003 and 04 were strong years. 05 was okey dokey. 06 was legit weak. 07 was strong again.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
In my personal opinion, the tour is weaker now than in 04-07.
Its went up and down since the so called big 4 have all been among the titles. Theres not been that often where they've all been at their best.
That would've been crazy.
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Thankfully, this has never been a problem, as I have the comfort of choosing what I eat at all times (well, unless I am not at home, but even then it hasn't been a big issue) and the foundations for healthy eating habits were laid a long time ago by a family tradition.
I don't eat junk food and generally eat very balanced and healthy food (my biggest weakness in this regard is chocolate), but since I always eat different food and have never done fitness for anything else other than general good health and being somewhat competent in the sports of my choice, it is interesting to look into other areas that are linked to food, as is high level performance nutrition.
These days I have a bit more time on my hands, so I always play with different possibilities and looking to incorporate something new in my daily routines.
Not that I am going into bodybuilding, mind you, but maybe some small goals are a possibility.
I live by the 5 Ps
Proper Preparation Prevents Poor Performance
Use that in every aspect of your life, and you will get your goals.
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Well, I think a lot of people say that despite all this strong era, weak era talk, there were only five years of it. 08-09 and 11-13.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
What do you personally feel was the time they were at close to their best all together? What was the strongest time?
* Puts on spot *
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Clay tennis should not be disrespected just because Federer can’t possibly ever claim his GOATness on it.
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Deleted member 77403
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What do you personally feel was the time they were at close to their best all together? What was the strongest time?
* Puts on spot *
As we talking about the big four?
Let me make this clear first, they all peaked at different times, so I don't think they ever all met at their absolute best
But the peak of the big four competition was 2011-2012 for me. The matches during that time were insane between the four of them.
kevaninho
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2011-2012 is often called Big Four seasons. Their most bruising matches mainly happened in this period.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Those were fun times.
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Deleted member 77403
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They indeed were. It will be a long time before we see something like that again, so many forces converging together.
The rise of Earth's Mightiest Warrior
Federer's return to world number one
Nadal breaking the RG record
Lendl's Murray stepping up to become a slam winner
They all delivered during that time in one way or another.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
And it must make it 10 times more fun that the Earth's Mightiest Warrior got the biggest piece of the pie during that period
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Don't. He/she is a Nadal fan first. Always has been. It always strikes me that anybody here (at least that I can remember lately) who claims to be a fan of both (like "I'm a Federer and Nadal fan") is always a Nadal fan first. It's mind boggling really.
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And it must make it 10 times more fun that the Earth's Mightiest Warrior got the biggest piece of the pie during that season
You won't see me complaining.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
There's a new trend on TTW right now: hide you're a Fed hater by saying things like "I like Federer, but..." or "Federer is my favorite player, but..." and hide that you are just a Nadal fan by saying "I'm a Federer and Nadal fan".
Good thing Fed fans are honest.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
You're catching onI'm a Federer and Nadal fan, but...I am a bigger fan of Djokovic.
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You're catching on
Right, I guess I can go on now and trash them, because as you know...I am a fan.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
That gives you the signed right to do thatRight, I guess I can go on now and trash them, because as you know...I am a fan.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Cool. I'm a Kyrgios fanI am also a Zverev fan.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Love and peace, no hate. Pepe was rightHaters is so yesterday.
Being a Fan is the new fashion.
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Love and peace, no hate. Pepe was right
I think I will create a new Fedal fan account and talk about how Federer is a coward, how Nadal is irrelevant on non-clay, how Wimbledon 2008 is the greatest match ever...but don't judge me, because I am fan, just like you.
roleaux987
New User
Even worse for Federer, it was 23-10 when he was still in his prime 4 years ago
Im not sure what your point is. Yes nadal at one point led 23-10. He doesnt now. What exactly is your point? Federer has actually lost hundreds of matches. Karlovic double faults and gets broken, djokovic hits unforced errors, nadal gets bagelled on clay. Jordan repeatedly missed game winning shots. Baseball hall of famers screw up more than they succeed
But who won the most? Federer
And a peaking nadal just lost 5 times in a row to a 36 year old post surgery semi retired father of four. More to the point mueller, dustin brown, davedenko and ferrer and blake who have perfect HC slam records vs nadal
Trying to be as objective as possible the only really damaging h2h legacy wise i think any of the big four have is nadals 7-0 destruction to same age djokovic peak for peak.
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zagor
Bionic Poster
Oh I don't doubt it. In general though, fandom declarations or I'm very objective declarations and such I pay very little heed to.
TTW always had more than it's fair share of BSitters, your posts will tell everything on their own, no need to declare anything.
Oh yeah, almost always without mistake, lol. It has gotten to ridiculous levels but nothing you can do except occasionally call them on their nonsense. There are even longtime Nadal fans running around with a Fed "fan" accounts now (like Rusty).
There's one Fedal fan that prefered Fed (atleast that's the impression I got) but I haven't seen her post in quite a while. Very friendly and open to conversation though, nothing like your usual "Fedal" fan.
zagor
Bionic Poster
I think I will create a new Fedal fan account and talk about how Federer is a coward, how Nadal is irrelevant on non-clay, how Wimbledon 2008 is the greatest match ever...but don't judge me, because I am fan, just like you.
You mean 2011 Wimbledon? Closely followed by 14/15 editions.
2007/2008 were overrated, the only reason they transpired in the first place was because Novak was a toddler.
Coming from a big Fedal fan who doesn't like Djokovic but has learned to grudgingly respect him, that would carry much weight.
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
The trouble is these people don't actually know what a Fedal fan is. It doesn't mean you're an equal fan of both players. It means you appreciate the rivalry almost as a third person and find it interesting in some way, whether purely in tennis terms, or the psychology, or sociology or whatever. [A few people have a different aspect but we won't go into that!!].
It's good because genuine Fedal fans obviously have some appreciation for the other and it means you can have genuinely good and pleasant interactions with "the other side". But you're still either a Fed or a Nadal fan primarily.
zagor
Bionic Poster
They do, they're just being intellectually dishonest. Most of supposed TTW Fedal fans are not even neutral towards Fed, they absolutely can't stand the guy.
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
Well, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt!! Anyway, they'll presumably be off enjoying this afternoon's demolition job, so I guess we'll get an hours break.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, this argument I've never agreed with. So 1970s/80s. I don't want any messing around with the two natural surface seasons.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, I am a Fedal fan in a manner of speaking. My father wanted to turn off the RG final last year and I said, he's playing amazing tennis, how can you not watch. But I know I am more of a Fed fan and have always identified that way. I am not saying it's impossible for somebody to like both players almost equally but I don't know that I have met many, if any, who actually fit that description. And usually if they say upfront that they are Fedal fans, they are really Nadal fans trying to impart a veneer of objectivity, as you put it, to their arguments. Fed fans usually say upfront that they are Fed fans rather than pretending to be Nadal fans. Nothing special about Fed fans, just that most Fed fans have been fans of him longer than Nadal fans were fans of Nadal so there's no reason to obfuscate unless it's some fickle glory hunter who jumped ship in 2008-09 (know a few who did).
zagor
Bionic Poster
Very well put. I'm not saying you can't respect Nadal as a tennis fan or watch his matches (I certainly do, I actually would be less interesting in the current CC season without him, he keeps up the standard) but everyone has a clear favourite at the end of the day, it's just the way it is. I prefer Novak and Delpo to anyone but Fed but if they play him I'll lean towards rooting for him, it's spontaneous.
Fed fans are indeed more straightforward (which I prefer honestly) and usually don't engage in this whole nonsense (Fedal fans, double accounts for trolling etc.) but their complete focus on Fed has a bad side-effect of GOAT worship threads which I do find nauseating to a degree, I have to admit. No need to pollute the forum with 20 gloryhunting threads everytime Fed wins a big tourney. They also have a tendency to be way too disrespectful towards different playing styles, especially those more defensive oriented.
