Federer is "One of the Greatest of All Time"

Eren

Professional
Has Djokovic started a modern trend with his speech after the Wimbledon 2019 final. Even Wikipedia has taken a step back and has completely emulated Djokovic.

1) Will Federer ever overcome this issue?
2) Does Wikipedia have to ask permission to Djokovic for using this.

Roger Federer (German pronunciation: [ˈrɔdʒər ˈfeːdərər]; born 8 August 1981) is a Swiss professional tennis player who is currently ranked world No. 3 in men's singles tennis by the Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP).[3] He is considered by many to be one of the greatest tennis players of all time.[4] He has won 20 Grand Slam singles titles—the most in history by a male player—and has held the world No. 1 spot in the ATP rankings for a record total of 310 weeks, including a record 237 consecutive weeks. After turning professional in 1998, he was continuously ranked in the top ten from October 2002 to November 2016.

On a serious note, it does show that opinions in the tennis world are shifting and the GOAT debate is wide open (not that I believe in a GOAT since you have to be the GOAT on all surfaces to be the GOAT. Both Federer and Djokovic suck too much on clay because of Nadal and Nadal in turn sucks too much on hard and grass compared to Federer and Djokovic but still).

Discuss.
 
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FRV2

Semi-Pro
He's still the GOAT, or at least best of this era, as of right now.

Though I guess everything is just opinion, no?
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
It appears that this is a matter of controversy amongst Wikipedia editors where editors have been constantly changing the lead sections of the main players in the debate from "the greatest" to "one of the greatest", depending, of course, on the fan allegiance of the editor. In July last year there was apparently a consensus verdict that Sampras, Laver, Fedalovic should all be referred to as "one of the greatest". So no, it doesn't reflect some sudden change in public opinion, the debate has been going on for quite a while and apparently started on the Laver page rather than the Federer page.

It's also completely correct - all of Fedalovic would clearly be regarded as amongst the greatest players of all time - using this style for all of them is common sense.

For anyone interested in the minutiae of Wikipedia editing debates it's all here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tennis#New_Guideline_Proposal_for_"Greatest_of_all_time"_Mention_in_Lead_Section
 
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er4claw

Rookie
This is awful "one of" is a slap in the face to the GOAT. Its the most insultful phrase you can use. Wikipedia is spreading these lies now. No he IS the GOAT considered so by everyone who looks at it honestly.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Anyone saying Federer is not at least Top 5 in the history of the sports is a complete idiot.
Anyone expanding the number to 5 might be said to be the same thing. He owns the most important records in the Open era, who but a moron would rank him as low as 5? A few people may put Laver above him, otherwise Fed's nearly universally regarded as the GOAT.
 

Eren

Professional
Anyone expanding the number to 5 might be said to be the same thing. He owns the most important records in the Open era, who but a moron would rank him as low as 5? A few people may put Laver above him, otherwise Fed's nearly universally regarded as the GOAT.
I was not serious lol, but yes agreed. If someone would seriously put Federer as low as 5, he is an idiot.
 

Eren

Professional
It appears that this is a matter of controversy amongst Wikipedia editors where editors have been constantly changing the lead sections of the main players in the debate from "the greatest" to "one of the greatest", depending, of course, on the fan allegiance of the editor. The latest person to do the editing is one of those trying to get people to stick with "one of the greatest". So no, it doesn't reflect some sudden change in public opinion, the debate has been going on for some time.

It's also completely correct - all of Fedalovic would clearly be regarded as amongst the greatest players of all time - using this style for all of them is common sense.

For anyone interested in the minutiae of Wikipedia editing debates it's all here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tennis#New_Guideline_Proposal_for_"Greatest_of_all_time"_Mention_in_Lead_Section
These people are way too serious. It's just Wikipedia and it's only an article...
 

Eren

Professional
ah, Feder fanboys are starting to get creative when they have too!
Read my previous comments before replying. Most fed fans consider him to be the GOAT and I don't. Weird to put an entire fanbase in one box because of the opinion of the majority.
 

Eren

Professional
who did that?
You lol, at least I thought you did that. If not, my apologies.

I am a huge Fedr fan, but I don't consider him to be THE GOAT as in my opinion, a GOAT should be the GOAT on all surfaces or at least come close to that. A lot of players have been better than Federer on clay.

Still a huge fan though.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
The Djokovic page doesn't say anything about him being one of the greatest or the Nadal page....
Indeed not. The Wikipedia editors are also arguing over whether such statements should appear in the legacy section or in the lead paragraph. It seems on the Djoko and Nadal pages the "Legacy" side are winning, on Federer's page the "Leads" are winning.

Tennis battles are nothing compared to Wiki editors fighting over a misplaced comma.
 

Eren

Professional
first time i hear of this. sounds like a Feder fan setting the bar so high that noone will ever reach it. :rolleyes:
It's just my opinion right? Who cares? No one. According to others, the bar is set much lower, so MOST people will consider Player X as the GOAT when the Big 3 hang up their racket. Don't worry.

About the bolded part: I always set my bar high.
 

True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
Indeed not. The Wikipedia editors are also arguing over whether such statements should appear in the legacy section or in the lead paragraph. It seems on the Djoko and Nadal pages the "Legacy" side are winning, on Federer's page the "Leads" are winning.

Tennis battles are nothing compared to Wiki editors fighting over a misplaced comma.
It's certainly changed some over the past year or so. To me, Federer is still separated in a class above even if the wording has changed.
 

Eren

Professional
The Djokovic page doesn't say anything about him being one of the greatest or the Nadal page....
Same with Sampras lol. His intro section seems to be the shortest whereas with Federer Nadal and Djokovic they at least mention their Open Era records. With Sampras I only read: 'WAS the record holder UNTIL Federer...' The only record I read about in the intro was like: "6 consecutive YE #1."
 

True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
Same with Sampras lol. His intro section seems to be the shortest whereas with Federer Nadal and Djokovic they at least mention their Open Era records. With Sampras I only read: 'WAS the record holder UNTIL Federer...' The only record I read about in the intro was like: "6 consecutive YE #1."
Pete's SUCKS. They can do better than that.
 

van_Loederen

Semi-Pro
It's just my opinion right? Who cares? No one. According to others, the bar is set much lower, so MOST people will consider Player X as the GOAT when the Big 3 hang up their racket. Don't worry.

About the bolded part: I always set my bar high.
and is it coincidence that you come out with that peace offer after his loss in the Wimbly final?
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Has Djokovic started a modern trend with his speech after the Wimbledon 2019 final. Even Wikipedia has taken a step back and has completely emulated Djokovic.

1) Will Federer ever overcome this issue?
2) Does Wikipedia have to ask permission to Djokovic for using this.
He is considered by many to be one of the greatest tennis players of all time.
Wikipedia has gone from full fanboy hype-slaves to underestimating RF.

He is considered one of the best by EVERYONE.

Wikipedia corrected: He is universally considered to be one of the greatest tennis players of all time.
 

Eren

Professional
and is it coincidence that you come out with that peace offer after his loss in the Wimbly final?
As I said, look for my comments BEFORE that Wimbledon final. I always have said that I don't consider him to be the GOAT.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/nadals-real-toughest-draw-ever.647596/page-2#post-13520100

I wrote this post on 7 July and the Wimbledon final was on July 14th. I have said this many times before as well, but you can look that up yourself. I am not going to do all the work for you.

What the f**k you wanna prove anyway lol. You can't seem to accept that not all fans are the same? Or what?
 
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Sephiroth

Professional
It made people think more.

I think for the first time I saw Djokovic in a different light when he said that in the final ceremony. I didn't see it like he was taking a dig, I saw it like he was fully self-aware of his accomplishments in tennis to the point that he feels equal and not beneath Federer anymore. He knows the clout he's got and he was exercising it.
 
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Eureka

New User
Loooool! How can the comment that Federer is one of the greatest players be construed as anything other than an acknowledgement of his greatness? What drives the "all time" obsession, given that the only certainty is that nothing stays the same? We have three of the most superb sportsman of the era in Federer/Nadal/Djokovic currently playing the tour, each a master of the game and with his own unique gifts. There will be other great players too. One day, time might stand still, but that day is yet to come. Even Wikipedia can't say when it will be.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
It made people think more.

I think for the first time I saw Djokovic in a different light when he said that in the final ceremony. I didn't see it like he was taking a dig, I saw it like he was fully self-aware of his accomplishments in tennis to the point that he feels equal and not beneath Federer anymore. He knows the clout he's got and he was exercising it.
It was an historic moment.
 
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