Federer is skrawny

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by raiden031, Jan 24, 2007.

  1. joeyscl

    joeyscl Rookie

    Sep 24, 2006
    Here is news: Muscular Size is *not* directly related to Muscular Strength

    I've seen a 105 pound women on TV, VERY petite and Lean. She could have been any women on the street, yet she can Lift (I think it was Clean and Jerk) well more than twice her weight.
  2. David L

    David L Hall of Fame

    Apr 1, 2006
    This is precisely right. Many, however, do not realize this. One can have larger looking muscles, yet be physically weaker than someone else. Strength is a strange and complicated thing.
  3. David L

    David L Hall of Fame

    Apr 1, 2006
    Granted you did'nt say this but, looking physically imposing has nothing to do with being athletic. Furthermore, whether someone appears imposing or not, will to some degree depend on the stature of the judge.
  4. Grigollif1

    Grigollif1 Semi-Pro

    Sep 27, 2005

    No moose. The reason why track and field athletes have more defined muscles is because they need very explosive and instant speed for a short period of time. Tennis players are more about endurance as well. You are not just running for 100m in a straight line, you are running around a tennis courts for hours.. Look at Marathonist, those guys from Kenya who are the best in the world. They are really skinny with not much muscle weight at all, and they are able to run for many miles and miles..
  5. OrangeOne

    OrangeOne Legend

    May 31, 2006
    Interestingly, tennis is the only endurance sport of any you mentioned, basketball being semi-endurance the only one even close behind in this regard. In endurance sports, as many others have pointed out, carrying extra weight is simply not necessary, and a hinderance to performance. Ask an NFL players, or many t&f athletes - to run around a court solo every 30 seconds on & off for 5 hours, and it'd be amusing for the first hour, sympathetically painful if they made it to the second hour, and boring while they slept from hours 3 to 5.

    Watch a men's tennis match, hour 3 & 4, played in summer, where tremendous skill is still required, as well as independant, uncoached thought , and you'll see world-class athletes. Hell - even go and see how truly fit the guys playing challengers are, watch how if most of us hit 10 of their FHs we'd be needing Oxygen, and then tell me they're unfit. Let's remember - the guys playing challengers are the ones who haven't or maybe won't make it, the top pros are so far in front again.

    To think that fitness is just size or strength or speed is to completely ignore about 7 or 10 other key elements!... or another way - just because tennis doesn't require players to run into each other, or doesn't use a time or a distance to report how good someone is, doesn't in any way mean we don't see some amazingly fit individuals. Think Lendl, Becker, Sampras, Muster, Nadal, Rafter, Hewitt, Chang, Federer, Cash.... so many more.
  6. mellofelow

    mellofelow Semi-Pro

    Sep 10, 2005
    Interesting thread...

    One thing for sure. The HEAVIEST, the STRONGEST & most MUSCULAR lady in the AO field just dominated the championship.

    Heck, even a good player with extra 15 lbs in the gut (Nalbandian) can beat Federer once in a while... in 5 sets no less.

    Tennis is a great sport however, during a match, an actual point lasts much shorter than between points. Add change overs and what-not, I'm not sure I can agree that tennis requires more endurance than other sports. Those of us with TIVO or PVR can watch a 3 hour match in less than an hour.

    Imagine this though... maybe not in this era but one day, a player with bigger guns than Nadal and built like a Greek god, serves 140+ mph at 70% success rate, consistently hit 90+ mph groundies off both wings with 4 to 1 winner to error ratio... maybe is what it takes to dethrone Federer's dominance.
  7. OrangeOne

    OrangeOne Legend

    May 31, 2006
    It requires proportional endurance in relation to the length of the match.

    Throw a HR monitor on any male player - their HR will be at least in the working aerobic range for the duration of most matches (minus some changeovers). During some of the points it will peak to anaerobic, and in the time between points it will recover back down. No sport stays anaerobic for more than an hour or two, anything longer than this *pretty much* by definition needs to average out at aerobic or less, and pro tennis would certainly average out at aerobic. It's an endurance sport, especially over best of 5 at slams, especially in summer (which the sport pretty much lives in).
  8. Linda

    Linda New User

    Oct 26, 2006
    not world class athletes? i wanna see a basketball/football player on a tennis court. wouldn't that be something funny? world class athletes need not be one dimensional. that is, the unusually strong/fast dimension.
    why compare tennis to these sports? they require different things, don't you think?
    it's irrelevent that high school athletes are stronger and/or faster than pro tennis players because as you said...they will never be pros. and why will they never be pros? my stab in the dark is that they don't have what it takes.
    and it's a shame that tennis is a hard sell in north america...but on the other hand why would tennis need them if they can ridicule it on the basis that it is not a sport for 'muscle-bound freaks'? (sorry...that phrase was just too good to pass up)
    and if tennis is not a sport for 'world class athletes' and if this is why north america cannot take it seriously...how can north america justify liking GOLF? golf...the only sport where you can be old and fat and still an outstanding pro.
  9. 0d1n

    0d1n Hall of Fame

    Jul 8, 2006
    Cluj-Napoca, Romania
    Tennis is not athletic enough for North A. Think how athletic so many Americans are, how powerful they have to be to consistently be able to lift and take all those huge size coke barrels (yes…BARRELS those are NOT cans or glasses) to their mouths...not even talking about the Big Mac’s...there's some serious athleticism there. Roger is a pathetic weakling when compared to them.
    Moose Malloy is oh SOOOOOOO right :rolleyes:.

    PS. (edit) : Sorry, I forgot something else, if you believe this bunch, yeh …the same bunch that sits on the couch watching so called “football”(which is really just a mutant form of rugby) eating popcorn and saying tennis players are not athletes… there’s no such thing as FAT people anymore…they are all just “big boned” and “strongly built”.
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2007
  10. emerckx53

    emerckx53 Semi-Pro

    Nov 6, 2005
    Absolutely incorrect assumption on the quality of athleticism amongst tennis players...you can pick the top player in any sport you like...put a racquet in their hand and watch them look like a child..
  11. desmo

    desmo Rookie

    Jan 26, 2007
    Remember Kaarsten Braasch? :) Took a set off Sampras at Wimbledon smoking on the changeovers.

    The prevailing predominantly American aesthetic orthodoxy on what is deemed "scrawny" or conversely "athletic" is completely superficial and mostly based on media stereotypes colored by perceptions of "athletes" like 'roid freak gridiron footballers and phony wrestlers. Lifting weights and strength training to get "the look" will help on one's serve a little or stretched out shots maybe, but will make smooth movement harder, probably increase joint stresses and the chance of injury and won't really help overall in tennis.

    It might yield psychological benefit in someone who is prone to being insecure though.
  12. dirkgnuf

    dirkgnuf Rookie

    Apr 30, 2006
    Federer does have thinner arms, but if you look at the way the shirts he wears fit him, you can see that he is well built along the upper and lower parts pf his body. His body type is kind of like mine, with somewhat thinner bones. I mean, if you look at Federer focusing just on his arms and stuff, yes he's a bit scrawny but he's quite athletic. To say that people like borg were scrawny is ridiculous. Look at how big his forearms were, and how his leg muscles were 2nd to none for Sweedish athletes. I think with all the "BIG" athletes that we see nowadays, our perception of what is deemed a normal athletic physique has been screwed up. I mean tennis works for many body types unlike say, football, where one has to be reasonably thick-boned to play positions like linebacker etc.
    BTW Federer does lifts weights(where does the phenomenal arm speed/powerful forehand come from?),
    those pics in the beginning are just a training tool when he does jumping lunges. I doubt athletes would carry 100 pounds on their body while doing lunges.
  13. whistleway

    whistleway Semi-Pro

    Jun 1, 2005
    Yeah right. Poker, Lawnmover racing surely have world class athletes, for sure.
  14. TheNatural

    TheNatural Legend

    Jan 27, 2005
    Its all about Functional strenth, Functional flexibility, And FUnctional balance.

    Agymnast may have perfect balance while doing their routine, but they may look ugly on a tennis court.

    federer looks to have very good leg strangth and overall flexibility, and good leverage. All the rigth attributes for a tennis player. And he obviously has almost perfcet balance ont he court.

    Ita all about those characteristics coming together. If it was just about strength and power, olympic weight lifters would dominate every sport. And it would be quite comical that thay can lift so much more than professional footballers, yet not become pro footballers and make zillions more $.
  15. BreakPoint

    BreakPoint Bionic Poster

    Feb 18, 2004
    You don't need to lift a lot of weights and build a lot of muscle to play good tennis. In fact, I used to lift a lot and my game just got worse so I stopped lifting many years ago. I think being flexible is more important then being muscular for tennis. That's why not too many tennis pros are built like football players.
  16. Nick Irons

    Nick Irons Semi-Pro

    Jan 25, 2007
    Cape Fear
    Federer is a lean machine

    Now Blake, Blake is a weenie arm.
  17. heycal

    heycal Hall of Fame

    Jan 7, 2006
    Is this true, or just a joke? If true, can someone supply some evidence to confirm that this guy was smoking on the changeovers?... I do remember that Keith Hernandez of the Mets allegedly used to smoke in the dugout or in the hallway leading to the dugout during games. (Bill Tilden was said to have chain-smoked in the off-season when he wasn't in training for tennis.)
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2007
  18. ispaht

    ispaht Rookie

    Feb 3, 2007
    Well, his tennis skills are larger than his muscles. That's what matter the most.
  19. psamp14

    psamp14 Hall of Fame

    Oct 13, 2005
    you're really right breakpoint....i used to lift weights quite a bit too but then i also realized i was bulking up and my game was regressing....so i stopped lifting weights completely....i havent lifted in about 3-4 years....not even a dumbbell...

    if i was really serious about my game i would probably have a coach who would incorporate weights into my training, but probably very minimal...
  20. Bjorn99

    Bjorn99 Hall of Fame

    Oct 21, 2006
    A lot of European players smoke. They don't smoke american cigarettes which are fatal because of the filters, which are designed to finish you right off. A rolled cigarette with no filter isn't any worse than the air out there. One of my companies came up with a filter that takes all the toxicity out of a cigarette for the most part and improves the taste. Can't seem to get into the market for the big boys. Hmmmmmm. Company name, Wellstone filters. Stock did very, very well though. Pennies to over eight bucks.

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