Federer is such a joy to watch from a strict esthetic standpoint

VaporDude95

Banned
Change from 2007?

Imagine how many slams this guy could’ve won with the 03-06 FH?
Yeah he went to a full Eastern grip in 2007. He had a slightly more extreme grip before that. Semi western I think, or even half way between Eastern and semi western.

He changes his grip slightly depending on the shot too, but there was an obvious change in the takeback and swingpath of the racquet.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
Federer is fun to watch when the entirety of his game is working

But it's just terrible when parts of his game are misfiring and he is just relying on his serve to eke out tiebreakers
Even then, you have a 6’1” player with an all-time great serve purely due to placement and literally perfect ball toss. You have hundreds of players his height or taller who can’t even dream to have that type of serve, so even then it’s awe inspiring watching him as someone who played relatively competitively. It’s impossible to tell where the serve is going.
 

OhYes

Legend
Another under appreciated aspect of that ‘beauty’ is that he’s still playing at 38.

Good technique is not just easy on the eye but also on the body.
And pharmaceutical industry...for which his parents worked for...
 

OhYes

Legend
Say what you want but tennis would have been SO MUCH more boring without Rafa, even more than Federer imo, though Fed is greater, entertainment wise Nadal has had the most epic matches
I can agree with that.
And for me he has better moves too.
I'm not sarcastic.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
to extend that, this whole video is sick (includes that clip), probably my favorite tennis video. You can really see the FH in all its glory and then as it changes for the worse. I love those side views because you can really see the timing and magnitude of the trunk rotation he gets, or got. Unreal.

LOL. That was not the song I expected to go with that video. :-D
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
You mean back in the weak era.
Yeah back in the era of Peak Fed, physical peak Nadal, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick, Blake, young Murray and Djokovic (both of whom would spank anyone not named Fedalovic today), Soderling, Delpo, Safin, Hewitt, Ferrero.
Yeah they were nothing compared to the mighty-cant-reach-slam QF Zverev and company (who are even worse than him)
 
Yeah back in the era of Peak Fed, physical peak Nadal, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick, Blake, young Murray and Djokovic (both of whom would spank anyone not named Fedalovic today), Soderling, Delpo, Safin, Hewitt, Ferrero.
Yeah they were nothing compared to the mighty-cant-reach-slam QF Zverev and company (who are even worse than him)
Thanks for sticking up for Fed's time as a Nadal fan, pleasant to see that.

For real, 07 Djokovic would be easily #3 today, maybe even vying for #2 since Nadal can barely play on hardcourt. 05+ Nadal would be #2, Roddick would contend for Wimbledon, Safin and Agassi would be the second/third best HC players. Even Davydenko and Nalbandian could be ahead of current Federer in the rankings, and they actually reached Slam semis unlike the gold chain guy.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Yeah back in the era of Peak Fed, physical peak Nadal, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick, Blake, young Murray and Djokovic (both of whom would spank anyone not named Fedalovic today), Soderling, Delpo, Safin, Hewitt, Ferrero.
Yeah they were nothing compared to the mighty-cant-reach-slam QF Zverev and company (who are even worse than him)
No, peak Fedr was 2004-2007 when he dominated the likes of Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick and Blake. With the advent of Nadal, Murray and Djokovic his unbeatable era dried up.

 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
No, peak Fedr was 2004-2007 when he dominated the likes of Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick and Blake. With the advent of Nadal, Murray and Djokovic his unbeatable era dried up.

Do you see that green rectangle right in the middle of the 2012 column?

That is the rectangle that indicated the return of Federer at #1 tin the world at the tender age of 31 amongst the strong era of two ATGs 5/6 years younger than him.

That is the spot where that myth ended.

:giggle:
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
No, peak Fedr was 2004-2007 when he dominated the likes of Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick and Blake. With the advent of Nadal, Murray and Djokovic his unbeatable era dried up.

Ok so '04-07 was a weak era compared to today??
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Ok so '04-07 was a weak era compared to today??
Absolutely. Today, we have the B3 and before Murray was sidelined, we had the Big 4 and to win a title, you had to get past at least 3 or all 4 of them as they generally made it to the business end. This has been the case for over a decade. Federer didn't have any such competition. Don't forget that players like Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick and Blake were still playing when the Big 4 emerged.
 
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The inside-out Forehand Crosscourt hit from the ad-side doubles alley, both feet suspended several inches off the ground in a kinematic freeze-frame, left elbow leading the trunk rotation, eyes still on the spot the ball was a fraction of a second ago as it left the racquet at a million miles per hour, having met it dead square on the center of the strings.....

Now that’s the shot I miss from Roger’s prime

 
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KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
Absolutely. Today, we have the B3 and before Murray was sidelined, we had the Big 4 and to win a title, you had to get past at least 3 or all 4 of them as they generally made it to the business end. This has been the case for over a decade. Federer didn't have any such competition. Don't forget that players like Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick and Blake were still playing when the Big 4 emerged.
I agree 2007-2012 is stronger than 2003-2006.

2014 - present? Another weak era. Nadal washed up before 2017. Fed past his best, weak baseline game. Murray past his peak with bad back. 1 ATG peak guy dominating.
 

tudwell

Legend
No, peak Fedr was 2004-2007 when he dominated the likes of Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick and Blake. With the advent of Nadal, Murray and Djokovic his unbeatable era dried up.

Considering Fed leads Murray 5-1 at slams and led Djokovic in the slam head-to-head till he was nearly 33, I don't think Fed would have had too many issues racking up slams if those guys had been older.
 
yes, in the offseason of 2006 everyone grew 3 inches and gained 30 pounds and started hitting harder so Fed had to shorten his FH to compensate.
So you are therefore suggesting his footwork declined in the offseason of 2006!?

The change has been more gradual anyway. The whole tour have shorter take-backs today than 15 years ago.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
yes, in the offseason of 2006 everyone grew 3 inches and gained 30 pounds and started hitting harder so Fed had to shorten his FH to compensate.
So Fed’s footwook declined in the off season of 2006?

He should’ve kept his exact same 2006 game style.

Still probably wins Hamburg 2007. Better chance at RG 2007. The shortened takeback and worse FH did him no favours imo. Can’t say from age 25-26 he lost footwork.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
I agree 2007-2012 is stronger than 2003-2006.

2014 - present? Another weak era. Nadal washed up before 2017. Fed past his best, weak baseline game. Murray past his peak with bad back. 1 ATG peak guy dominating.
........ And washed up Djokovic going down to Khols and B-Agut successively on his best surface. Djokovic has benefitted from no Murray and constantly injured Rafa.
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
Absolutely. Today, we have the B3 and before Murray was sidelined, we had the Big 4 and to win a title, you had to get past at least 3 or all 4 of them as they generally made it to the business end. This has been the case for over a decade. Federer didn't have any such competition. Don't forget that players like Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick and Blake were still playing when the Big 4 emerged.
For the last 2 years, Murray has been a no show. Federer is highly inconsistent, Nadal is always injured, and Djokovic apparently is saving himself for the slams. The rest are pathetic.
You have always been delusional, but this is a new low
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
For the last 2 years, Murray has been a no show. Federer is highly inconsistent, Nadal is always injured, and Djokovic apparently is saving himself for the slams. The rest are pathetic.
You have always been delusional, but this is a new low
I was not talking about the last 2 years. I said:
"This has been the case for over a decade" I also said:

"Today, we have the B3 and before Murray was sidelined, we had the Big 4 and to win a title, you had to get past at least 3 or all 4 of them as they generally made it to the business end. This has been the case for over a decade."
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
For the last 2 years, Murray has been a no show. Federer is highly inconsistent, Nadal is always injured, and Djokovic apparently is saving himself for the slams. The rest are pathetic.
You have always been delusional, but this is a new low
How do you know Djokovic is saving himself for the slams? If that was the case, he wouldn't play the Masters at all because he no longer has to play any mandatory tournaments.

Me delusional? The irony!
 
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