Federer is the one of the greatest athletes of all time

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
We can all agree on that he is the goat in tennis, no rocket science there, just look at his records.

But i also would say he is one of the greatest athletes/sportsman of all time. His achievements speak of themselves, but the person he is and how much he has meant for sport in general is what also makes him one of the greatest athletes.

I have a lot of people with me on that too, I googled the greatest sportsmans of all time and federer is on the lists everywhere among greats like Muhammed Ali, michael jordan, bo jackson etc etc.

we have completely forgot this in goat discussions. He is not just the best in tennis.
 

chicagodude

Hall of Fame
We can all agree on that he is the goat in tennis, no rocket science there, just look at his records.

But i also would say he is one of the greatest athletes/sportsman of all time. His achievements speak of themselves, but the person he is and how much he has meant for sport in general is what also makes him one of the greatest athletes.

I have a lot of people with me on that too, I googled the greatest sportsmans of all time and federer is on the lists everywhere among greats like Muhammed Ali, michael jordan, bo jackson etc etc.

we have completely forgot this in goat discussions. He is not just the best in tennis.

Yes, we definitely needed more threads on why Federer/Nadal is the goat...I'm glad you are filling that unmet need...

And no offense, but "we can all agree"? If anything, it's very clear that there is no, and never will be, agreement on who is the goat. And frankly, there can't be agreement, since you can not compare between different era's satisfactorily.

Anyway, welcome to the forum!
 
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monfed

Guest
Come on FED!! Come back. Tennis needs you!

Well Fred is gonna retire at some point, then will tennis just cease to exist? I think you should switch to baby Fed, today's match should make it easy to transition so don't miss it. :lol:
 

RF20Lennon

Legend
Well Fred is gonna retire at some point, then will tennis just cease to exist? I think you should switch to baby Fed, today's match should make it easy to transition so don't miss it. :lol:

GOD NO. Dimitrov is quite possibly the most overrated player currently. The guy has ONE title at 22. I really don't know what people see in him.
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
We can all agree on that he is the goat in tennis, no rocket science there, just look at his records.

But i also would say he is one of the greatest athletes/sportsman of all time. His achievements speak of themselves, but the person he is and how much he has meant for sport in general is what also makes him one of the greatest athletes.

I have a lot of people with me on that too, I googled the greatest sportsmans of all time and federer is on the lists everywhere among greats like Muhammed Ali, michael jordan, bo jackson etc etc.

we have completely forgot this in goat discussions. He is not just the best in tennis.

Ali is a gimmick, he shouldn't be there.
 

rajah84

Semi-Pro
We can all agree on that he is the goat in tennis, no rocket science there, just look at his records.

But i also would say he is one of the greatest athletes/sportsman of all time. His achievements speak of themselves, but the person he is and how much he has meant for sport in general is what also makes him one of the greatest athletes.

I have a lot of people with me on that too, I googled the greatest sportsmans of all time and federer is on the lists everywhere among greats like Muhammed Ali, michael jordan, bo jackson etc etc.

we have completely forgot this in goat discussions. He is not just the best in tennis.

He's not even the best player of his generation. How could he be the GOAT?

Stupid list. It has Bo Jackson on it and no Nadal.
 

90's Clay

Banned
We can all agree on that he is the goat in tennis, no rocket science there, just look at his records.

But i also would say he is one of the greatest athletes/sportsman of all time. His achievements speak of themselves, but the person he is and how much he has meant for sport in general is what also makes him one of the greatest athletes.

I have a lot of people with me on that too, I googled the greatest sportsmans of all time and federer is on the lists everywhere among greats like Muhammed Ali, michael jordan, bo jackson etc etc.

we have completely forgot this in goat discussions. He is not just the best in tennis.



Actually it is biased Fed stupidity.

Rosewall has more slams (with wayyy more longevity)
Sampras/Laver/Pancho have more years at #1
Laver has more tournament titles (And wasn't btchslapped by his main rival his whole career like Roger)
He has no calendar slams (Laver has 2)

And his main rival (nadal) may overtake him in the slam count in a few years.

But Fed is GOAT. Sure.. :shock: Hopefully his biased delusional fans will retire with him

I kind of Feel bad for Roger. His fan base SERIOUSLY overrate him. As if hes a 10 out 10 and has had a PERFECT career or something
 
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jg153040

G.O.A.T.
Actually it is biased Fed stupidity.

Rosewall has more slams
Sampras/Laver/Pancho have more years at #1
Laver has more tournament titles (And wasn't btchslapped by his main rival his whole career like Roger)
He has no calendar slams (Laver has 2)

And his main rival (nadal) may overtake him in the slam count in a few years.

But Fed is GOAT. Sure.. :shock: Hopefully his biased delusional fans will retire with him

I kind of Feel bad for Roger. His fan base SERIOUSLY overrate him. As if hes a 10 out 10 and has had a PERFECT career or something

Ok, fair enough. But what is your top 5 list? Do you even put Fed in top 10 in the open era? Give me your reasoning who do you see as goat and why.
 

90's Clay

Banned
Ok, fair enough. But what is your top 5 list? Do you even put Fed in top 10 in the open era? Give me your reasoning who do you see as goat and why.


I got Fed at 5 or 6.

1. Laver
2. Pancho
3. Rosewall
4. Tilden
5. Federer
6. Sampras
7. Nadal (moving up on the list in a year or two though)
8. Borg
9. Budge
10. Connors
 
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jg153040

G.O.A.T.
I got Fed at 5 or 6.

1. Laver
2. Pancho
3. Rosewall
4. Tilden
5. Federer
6. Sampras
7. Nadal (moving up on the list in a year or two though)
8. Borg
9. Budge
10. Connors

Ok, fair enough. Some people might not agree, but it is a consistent list. You put Fed the best of the modern era, consistent with achievements above Rafa, Borg and Pete. This is fair.

How come you put pre-modern guys so higher? What stats do you use? Just curious. And do you think competition was tougher at the time? I'd like to see the other side of the story, because not a lot of guys put older guys above modern guys. At least not on these boards :).

Also, do you think we can even compare so different eras? I like to split modern and pre-modern era because it's almost a different game.

Otherwise my list is similar.

Modern goat = Fed
pre Modern goat = Laver

I guess we will see how Nadal does, this might change in a few years.
 

fuzzfactory

Rookie
Actually it is biased Fed stupidity.

Rosewall has more slams (with wayyy more longevity)
Sampras/Laver/Pancho have more years at #1
Laver has more tournament titles (And wasn't btchslapped by his main rival his whole career like Roger)
He has no calendar slams (Laver has 2)

And his main rival (nadal) may overtake him in the slam count in a few years.

But Fed is GOAT. Sure.. Hopefully his biased delusional fans will retire with him

I kind of Feel bad for Roger. His fan base SERIOUSLY overrate him. As if hes a 10 out 10 and has had a PERFECT career or something

Nope. No one cares about winning the Slams in the 60s etc, we're not all 80 years old sorry. Pro tennis today requires more skill than ever and it requires a lot more athleticism to remain on top compared to before. Deny that all you want.

Ken Rosewall? Watching old matches of him makes my eyes want to bleed. Pancho?? 80% of this board wasn't even born when he was still playing. If time travel existed, Federer would hands-down destroy everyone on that list except Nadal. Stop dwelling in the past and accept your new gods of tennis.
 

bullfan

Legend
Federer is one of the best tennis players ever. One of the best athletes, I think not. I don't think any tennis player has ever been one of the best athletes ever.

Decathletes are better athletes than tennis players, for one.
 
Nope. No one cares about winning the Slams in the 60s etc, we're not all 80 years old sorry. Pro tennis today requires more skill than ever and it requires a lot more athleticism to remain on top compared to before. Deny that all you want.

Ken Rosewall? Watching old matches of him makes my eyes want to bleed. Pancho?? 80% of this board wasn't even born when he was still playing. If time travel existed, Federer would hands-down destroy everyone on that list except Nadal. Stop dwelling in the past and accept your new gods of tennis.

You know by the time I have grandchildren which may be 40 or 60 years down the line, if I showed them Old Federer/Nadal/Djokovic Matches, they probably laugh at me at how silly those guys played, and how they'd never stand a chance against the current pros of their generation...
 

victorcruz

Hall of Fame
Why can't you Fed fans be more like RF20Lennon and less like trolls
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fuzzfactory

Rookie
You know by the time I have grandchildren which may be 40 or 60 years down the line, if I showed them Old Federer/Nadal/Djokovic Matches, they probably laugh at me at how silly those guys played, and how they'd never stand a chance against the current pros of their generation...

That will probably happen, and then it will be our turn to be bitter :)
 

BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
Nope. No one cares about winning the Slams in the 60s etc, we're not all 80 years old sorry. Pro tennis today requires more skill than ever and it requires a lot more athleticism to remain on top compared to before. Deny that all you want.

Ken Rosewall? Watching old matches of him makes my eyes want to bleed. Pancho?? 80% of this board wasn't even born when he was still playing. If time travel existed, Federer would hands-down destroy everyone on that list except Nadal. Stop dwelling in the past and accept your new gods of tennis.

fuzzfactory, Your overrated idol could be happy if he could possess the half of Rosewall's skills...
 

fuzzfactory

Rookie
fuzzfactory, Your overrated idol could be happy if he could possess the half of Rosewall's skills...

I wasn't born yet during his era so never saw him, care to link me a non-black and white video of him somewhere so I can watch and see for myself? HD preferred ;)

Sure I'm biased because I grew up during the modern era, but Federer has had the most grand slams by far. That, along with the fact that the athleticism and skill involved with tennis is higher than ever, means that Federer is the greatest tennis player of all time. I don't get why you're in denial?
 
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monfed

Guest
I wasn't born yet during his era so never saw him, care to link me a non-black and white video of him somewhere so I can watch and see for myself? HD preferred ;)

Sure I'm biased because I grew up during the modern era, but Federer has had the most grand slams by far. That, along with the fact that the athleticism and skill involved with tennis is higher than ever, means that Federer is the greatest tennis player of all time. I don't get why you're in denial?

LMAO! good stuff! :lol:
 

wy2sl0

Hall of Fame
I got Fed at 5 or 6.

1. Laver
2. Pancho
3. Rosewall
4. Tilden
5. Federer
6. Sampras
7. Nadal (moving up on the list in a year or two though)
8. Borg
9. Budge
10. Connors

I respect your list but Federer played at a much higher level. His technique, to be exact his forehand, is extremely efficient and lays to much of his success. When you technically get down to why Roger can be so deadly it is because he separates his wrist/racket from his upper arm to hit with a ton of spin and pace at the same time. No one before has really done such a thing, and it isn't because of the technology because he essentially plays with a small, lead bat. His timing is ridiculous on the forehand considering that. Not only that, the others really "muscle" the ball while he allows gravity and momentum to do most of the work. What does this all mean? His forehand technique is the best ever against a field that is INSANELY good and efficient themselves. What does this have to do with anything? Well not only do the numbers say he is higher on the "list", so does the science.

Check it out. Closest to him in technique believe it or not is Nadal. They are both the two best ever with Nadal's having more spin but less versatility in take back requirements.
Federer
http://youtu.be/Y762f6LZvYI?t=16s
Nadal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOBdbgZD05U
Murray
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE-1t9-IEOk
Djokovic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLRLP8g7-zY


Further proof? One of his best points ever against Nadal in 07. Running backwards with the ball at his ankle/slight higher height, he creates a RIDICULOUS amount of racket head speed, clears the net by a huge margin and still hits a winner against one of the fastest players ever. These are not the kind of shots you see in Nadal/Djokovic/Murray marathons. Nadal is the only other that can probably come close to hitting a shot like that.
http://youtu.be/1isfZhjpt1k?t=10m14s
 
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bullfan

Legend
What's not sad are my perceptive skills. I can spot trolls easily. I'm sorry it takes you a long time to find them.

Seriously... I am getting a bad vibe from yet another newbie, who acts all superior. What's wrong, not getting your name in the headlights quick enough?
 

victorcruz

Hall of Fame
Seriously... I am getting a bad vibe from yet another newbie, who acts all superior. What's wrong, not getting your name in the headlights quick enough?
If I wanted to become famous, I'd post more than 90 times in 2 months. But keep trying dude, whatever keeps 'your vibes' going, I really do care :lol:

Anyways, stop de-railing the thread. Fed is indeed one of the greatest athletes, I think he is top 50 of all time in the history of sports. But not quite top 25.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
ESPN is very pro-American and most of the athletes they picked are from American. For them to pick Federer as one of the greatest athletes to represent tennis rather than picking their hometown(Sampras or Pancho) proves that Federer is a very worthy candidate.
 
I think that Federer is in the top tier of all time tennis greats and yes, by virtue of that, he is necessarily one of the greatest athletes of all time in my book. If you're in the top tier of all time tennis greats, you're one hell of an athlete in my book, and one of the greatest athletes of all time. It's a very subjective topic of course though. How does someone view the "greatest"? It all depends on how you weight the criterion.
 

bullfan

Legend
If I wanted to become famous, I'd post more than 90 times in 2 months. But keep trying dude, whatever keeps 'your vibes' going, I really do care :lol:

Anyways, stop de-railing the thread. Fed is indeed one of the greatest athletes, I think he is top 50 of all time in the history of sports. But not quite top 25.

Lol!!!!! This is very amusing!
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
You know by the time I have grandchildren which may be 40 or 60 years down the line, if I showed them Old Federer/Nadal/Djokovic Matches, they probably laugh at me at how silly those guys played, and how they'd never stand a chance against the current pros of their generation...

It doesn't matter. Greatness is eternal. Caesar of Rome will be remembered forever. Hitler's army can defeat his army due to technology.

But is Hitler really greater general than Caesar?
 
We can all agree on that he is the goat in tennis, no rocket science there, just look at his records.

But i also would say he is one of the greatest athletes/sportsman of all time. His achievements speak of themselves, but the person he is and how much he has meant for sport in general is what also makes him one of the greatest athletes.

I have a lot of people with me on that too, I googled the greatest sportsmans of all time and federer is on the lists everywhere among greats like Muhammed Ali, michael jordan, bo jackson etc etc.

we have completely forgot this in goat discussions. He is not just the best in tennis.

i think beyond federer's achievements, what really impressed me is his conduct. he is classy, no histrionics, and lets his play settle all discussions. its really admirable.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
We can all agree on that he is the goat in tennis, no rocket science there, just look at his records.

But i also would say he is one of the greatest athletes/sportsman of all time. His achievements speak of themselves, but the person he is and how much he has meant for sport in general is what also makes him one of the greatest athletes.

I have a lot of people with me on that too, I googled the greatest sportsmans of all time and federer is on the lists everywhere among greats like Muhammed Ali, michael jordan, bo jackson etc etc.

we have completely forgot this in goat discussions. He is not just the best in tennis.

Calling Federer an athlete is an oxymoron. He's a dancer, isn't he? As for 'we can all agree......', nice try, because it's the one thing we cannot all agree on. We can all agree that Rafa is the clay GOAT, though.
 
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Gonzalito17

Banned
"Has there ever been a greater sports figure than Roger Federer?" --Claude Abrams in the book Facing Federer

Can't think of a champion from any sport from history who exemplifies "a champion" more than RF.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
"Has there ever been a greater sports figure than Roger Federer?" --Claude Abrams in the book Facing Federer

Can't think of a champion from any sport from history who exemplifies "a champion" more than RF.

Burns the soul of the Fed haters. They are bitter/jealous just to hear the name Roger Federer.
 

pc1

G.O.A.T.
Nope. No one cares about winning the Slams in the 60s etc, we're not all 80 years old sorry. Pro tennis today requires more skill than ever and it requires a lot more athleticism to remain on top compared to before. Deny that all you want.

Ken Rosewall? Watching old matches of him makes my eyes want to bleed. Pancho?? 80% of this board wasn't even born when he was still playing. If time travel existed, Federer would hands-down destroy everyone on that list except Nadal. Stop dwelling in the past and accept your new gods of tennis.

I wasn't born yet during his era so never saw him, care to link me a non-black and white video of him somewhere so I can watch and see for myself? HD preferred ;)

Sure I'm biased because I grew up during the modern era, but Federer has had the most grand slams by far. That, along with the fact that the athleticism and skill involved with tennis is higher than ever, means that Federer is the greatest tennis player of all time. I don't get why you're in denial?

Fuzz,

Let's put some things in perspective here. We've all seen the great abilities of Serena Williams who has great power off her serve, her groundies and has superb speed. Serena can serve over 120 mph with today's equipment.

My point is this, don't you think it's quite possible that much of the extra power and spin today is very likely due to the equipment? If we just viewed the women versus the men of past eras, the women today would seem to be better. However that's not true. The men of the past would have tremendous power and spin with today's racquets.

The players of the past like Laver, Borg, Pancho Gonzalez and Ken Rosewall were extremely gifted. Using the wood racquets of the past, which were heavier than today's racquets by far and had a much smaller head demanded more skill to use the racquet. You couldn't swing the same as today because the ball would be flying out of court.

Here's some video's of past players like Gonzalez, Laver, Borg and Rosewall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJubuKDN7Fk
This is Rosewall against Tony Roche at the old West Side Tennis Club. Notice the horrible condition of the grass courts. You couldn't hit groundies like today off the ground that way because of the terrible bounces. Often the ball would bounce at all.

Here's Laver against the same Tony Roche in the 1969 US Open final. Check out Laver's power, touch and volleying. This is the match that won the Grand Slam again for Laver. Laver was an old man of 31. He was better a few years before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvpckZmLaEc
This is from the same match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f60jJTbEps

This is a video of Pancho Gonzalez, also arguably the greatest of all time. He was 6 ft three and a half inches tall with a serve that Vic Braden, who analyzes tennis strokes says would serve regularly in the 140 mph range today. He was smooth elegant with excellent strokes. He was also a tremendous athlete. Gonzalez was the best player of the 1950's and defeated greats like Rosewall, Hoad, Connors, Borg, Ashe, Newcombe, Sedgman, Stan Smith, Olmedo, Segura, Kramer. As you can see he was so tough it was scary. Look at Isner today with his great serve. Isner with very little aside from his serve is able to defeat anyone in the world and is currently number 16 in the world. Gonzalez is superior in every possible way to Isner. Better strokes, movement, volley, touch and maybe even a superior serve. Where would Gonzalez rank today?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0gJzm_EQY

Borg at his peak on har tru against Connors in 1979
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTMx--E0OhY

Borg on grass against Connors at Wimbledon 1979.

Now you realize this is all with wood racquets except for Connors who had the T2000 metal racquet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhsNNplZ0Uo

Here's an article how John McEnroe in his fifties almost beat Andy Roddick in World Team Tennis in 2010.
http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Andy-Roddick,-John-McEnroe-Deliver-Crowd-Pleasing-.aspx

How would McEnroe do against Roddick if McEnroe was 25 and Roddick was 25?

Anyway please keep an open mind.:)
 
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JRAJ1988

Guest
We can all agree on that he is the goat in tennis, no rocket science there, just look at his records.

But i also would say he is one of the greatest athletes/sportsman of all time. His achievements speak of themselves, but the person he is and how much he has meant for sport in general is what also makes him one of the greatest athletes.

I have a lot of people with me on that too, I googled the greatest sportsmans of all time and federer is on the lists everywhere among greats like Muhammed Ali, michael jordan, bo jackson etc etc.

we have completely forgot this in goat discussions. He is not just the best in tennis.

Roberto Baggio has to be a football GOAT. I gave this 5 stars as I agree, Federer is one of the greatest sportsmen who's ever lived.
 
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clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Fedfans are desperately trying to keep their sinking ship afloat. Beating Federer these days is run of the mill, it's no longer an aspiration.
 
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