andymaratkimi
Rookie
Everyone will get old,it's natural,Roger has done so many achievements.
Federer is the one of the greatest athletes of all time
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Sentinel
Bionic Poster
The only one desperate here, sweetheart, is the one posting in boldface with enhanced size
Anti-Fedal
Professional
I got the same top 8 as you, but in a completely different order. Good to see Federer and Nadal not in the top 4
I got the same top 8 as you, but in a completely different order. Good to see Federer and Nadal not in the top 4
Just curious. Why do you put older guys above the guys of modern tennis? You think tennis didn't evolve and that competition is not better today?
Because very few people do it. Just interesting in your reasoning, not trying to debate you for this goat thing.
Also, do you think we can even compare those eras? It's almost like a different sport.
Looking forward to your answer.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Yes, they are quite desperate. It would not be as bad if they focused on Federer winning another major (which I think he can do), but their deep investment of Federer as their false "god" is just self-defeating. Unlike his obsessed fans, Federer does not worry about the GOAT matter, as he knows he is not in that conversation.
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Tennis Fanatic 070
Banned
Hahaha, this list is just plain funny. What a joke
Please leave these kind of lists to people witch knowledge about the game (not fanboys like you), you clearly don't know what your talking about, LOL. Leaving people like Tilden from before the open era out of your list would be a good start.
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borg number one
Legend
Fuzz,
Let's put some things in perspective here. We've all seen the great abilities of Serena Williams who has great power off her serve, her groundies and has superb speed. Serena can serve over 120 mph with today's equipment.
My point is this, don't you think it's quite possible that much of the extra power and spin today is very likely due to the equipment? If we just viewed the women versus the men of past eras, the women today would seem to be better. However that's not true. The men of the past would have tremendous power and spin with today's racquets.
The players of the past like Laver, Borg, Pancho Gonzalez and Ken Rosewall were extremely gifted. Using the wood racquets of the past, which were heavier than today's racquets by far and had a much smaller head demanded more skill to use the racquet. You couldn't swing the same as today because the ball would be flying out of court.
Here's some video's of past players like Gonzalez, Laver, Borg and Rosewall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJubuKDN7Fk
This is Rosewall against Tony Roche at the old West Side Tennis Club. Notice the horrible condition of the grass courts. You couldn't hit groundies like today off the ground that way because of the terrible bounces. Often the ball would bounce at all.
Here's Laver against the same Tony Roche in the 1969 US Open final. Check out Laver's power, touch and volleying. This is the match that won the Grand Slam again for Laver. Laver was an old man of 31. He was better a few years before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvpckZmLaEc
This is from the same match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f60jJTbEps
This is a video of Pancho Gonzalez, also arguably the greatest of all time. He was 6 ft three and a half inches tall with a serve that Vic Braden, who analyzes tennis strokes says would serve regularly in the 140 mph range today. He was smooth elegant with excellent strokes. He was also a tremendous athlete. Gonzalez was the best player of the 1950's and defeated greats like Rosewall, Hoad, Connors, Borg, Ashe, Newcombe, Sedgman, Stan Smith, Olmedo, Segura, Kramer. As you can see he was so tough it was scary. Look at Isner today with his great serve. Isner with very little aside from his serve is able to defeat anyone in the world and is currently number 16 in the world. Gonzalez is superior in every possible way to Isner. Better strokes, movement, volley, touch and maybe even a superior serve. Where would Gonzalez rank today?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0gJzm_EQY
Borg at his peak on har tru against Connors in 1979
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTMx--E0OhY
Borg on grass against Connors at Wimbledon 1979.
Now you realize this is all with wood racquets except for Connors who had the T2000 metal racquet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhsNNplZ0Uo
Here's an article how John McEnroe in his fifties almost beat Andy Roddick in World Team Tennis in 2010.
http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Andy-Roddick,-John-McEnroe-Deliver-Crowd-Pleasing-.aspx
How would McEnroe do against Roddick if McEnroe was 25 and Roddick was 25?
Anyway please keep an open mind.
Stellar post PC1. Many of those players you noted are also some of the "greatest athletes of all time".
Povl Carstensen
Legend
Federer is in the vast majority of GOAT conversations. Blunders like this make it seem as if you really do not know what you are talking about.
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Only the change of the equipment has happened. And the players of today are not as skilled as Laver, Rosewall and Gonzalez nave been.
Hahaha, this list is just plain funny. What a joke
Please leave these kind of lists to people witch knowledge about the game (not fanboys like you), you clearly don't know what your talking about, LOL. Leaving people like Tilden from before the open era out of your list would be a good start.
Caution: fanatism can disturb clear thinking, Fanatic.
90's Clay
Banned
Hahaha, this list is just plain funny. What a joke
Please leave these kind of lists to people witch knowledge about the game (not fanboys like you), you clearly don't know what your talking about, LOL. Leaving people like Tilden from before the open era out of your list would be a good start.
Leave to who? Like the MORONS of the tennis channel or something who place Pancho Gonzales somewhere outside the top 10?
Hahaha, this list is just plain funny. What a joke
Please leave these kind of lists to people witch knowledge about the game (not fanboys like you), you clearly don't know what your talking about, LOL. Leaving people like Tilden from before the open era out of your list would be a good start.
They do it base on emotion and feeling, totally disconnect with reality. Experts like Steve Flink is the people with the most accurate opinion, free from bias and hatred.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Are you saying Steve Flink is bias and a hater?
No expert attack Federer. Stop lying.
Tennis Fanatic 070
Banned
Agreed, blunders like that make him look like TDK.
Goosehead
Legend
didn't you get the memo ?..grigor is the anointed one, the new messiah, the future of tennis, the sporting jesus of our times. :neutral:
but the other memo says grigor is a 2nd rate Federer clone, others say he orbits around sugarmamapova..but they are just haterz who are ugly on the inside. :neutral:
BLX_Andy
Professional
Anti-Fedal
Professional
Federer isin't in the GOAT conversation. Only Laver, Rosewall, Pancho and Tilden are. Federer lacks GOAT credentials.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
I am sick and tired of the GOAT debate. Fedfans continuously fan the flames because they think they have something to prove. No one ever brings up the subject of who is the greatest clay court player ever because everyone knows it's Rafael Nadal, so there is nothing to fight over.
No one can claim to be the GOAT, especially Federer, who is playing in the same era as the player who totally dominates one surface. Federer has just one clay slam, what an achievement for the so-called GOAT? He is also dominated by one of his peers, so taking all that into account, Federer shouldn't even be in the conversation.
No one can claim to be the GOAT, especially Federer, who is playing in the same era as the player who totally dominates one surface. Federer has just one clay slam, what an achievement for the so-called GOAT? He is also dominated by one of his peers, so taking all that into account, Federer shouldn't even be in the conversation.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Are you feeling well today? Isn't it a troll's job to at least attempt to be inconspicuous?
Tennis Fanatic 070
Banned
Funny how the few people saying Fed doesn't belong in GOAT conversations are either Nadal fans or nostalgists.
I've got bad news for both of these groups: the vast majority (even Nadal himself) say that Fed is the GOAT.
So it really has been determined already and there's nothing y'all can do about it. You guys are all just little poodles barking.
I've got bad news for both of these groups: the vast majority (even Nadal himself) say that Fed is the GOAT.
So it really has been determined already and there's nothing y'all can do about it. You guys are all just little poodles barking.
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Tell me something. If Nadal is the clay goat, why can't Murray beat him?
Soon, Federer will not not even the best tennis players in last 10 years or so.
He is certain one of the greatest and very enjoyable to watch. However,
this popularity of Federer got over-blown by young casual tennis fans who
has no perspective of tennis history.
Only Kudo's I can send is to ATP that made the tour more popular among wider
spectrum of audience. The side effect is to develope fanatics.
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