Federer- Michealangelo of Tennis

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Here's what I don't understand - if Rafa is about nothing more than racquet technology, if it's the racquet, not Rafa, why doesn't Fed get smart and simply pick up one of those magical racquets and take his #1 ranking back? That should be easy enough... especially for the Michelangelo of tennis.
Now the answer to that is easy, it's because it's NOT about the racquet, it's never been and never will be. There are lots of men out there eager to rack up the millions, the trophies and the fame. If a racquet could get the job done, believe me they wouldn't sit on their ass waiting. They would get out there, pick up the miraculous racquet and walk all over Nadal. They're not doing it because it doesn't work. It's all about ability, new or old technology, it's all about the man at the end of the stick, has always been and will always be.
 
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veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I find it so funny that you have the 'Nadal is God' thread, notice the word GOD, and then when somebody calls Federer an artist.... voila! Here come the *******s trying to bash Fed. FFS get over with your childish immaturities already. If you don't like Fed, go away and stop trolling and imposing your opinions on other people. As much as I like Nadal, I can't stand people constantly pushing him up to the heavens as if worshipping him and trying to at the same time stamp Fed down to the floor. They're both great players, ok? Now stoppit with the bashing.
This thread was never just about calling Fed an artist, it was about calling Nadal "a soviet era sculpture without finesse". That's not a provocation? That's not bashing? Please reread the OP and stop acting "all innocent" in the debate. Nadal fans made a thread in praise of Nadal that wasn't insulting to Fed in any way. A Fed fan made a thread that was as much about bashing Nadal as it was about applauding Fed (as usual).
 

Mick

Legend
the difference between michelangelo and federer is one of them got better in his craft as he aged. The other one doesn't
 

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
If Federer wants to be the Michelangelo of tennis, he needs to broaden his horizons and learn to play at net like the real masters of the 1 hander.
 

sh@de

Hall of Fame
This thread was never just about calling Fed an artist, it was about calling Nadal "a soviet era sculpture without finesse". That's not a provocation? That's not bashing? Please reread the OP and stop acting "all innocent" in the debate. Nadal fans made a thread in praise of Nadal that wasn't insulting to Fed in any way. A Fed fan made a thread that was as much about bashing Nadal as it was about applauding Fed (as usual).
Nadal undoubtely is the undisputed current Number 1 in Tennis. Great mental and physical strenght and grossly underestimated tactician.
However whenever Federer is playing i either rush home to watch him or record it on Al Jazeera Sports 2 ( best tennis channel).

So i reason to myself - Why does my mind desire to watch Federer and not Nadal.
I can sum it up simply as: Watching Federer play is like imagining Michaelangelo paint the cistene Chapel. He uses the racquet like a brush,paints a game with his Wilson K-90 and is a Tennis Genius.

Nadal reminds me of a Soviet era sculpture, sculpting with grit, brute strength, and overpowering his oponents without any finesse.

I guess in the end thats why most of us watch Federer an not Nadal!!
Why don't you re-read OP's post? I've bolded the word ME for you in OP's post. In case you haven't noticed, this was OP's opinion. And this was about Fed. Why don't you stop trolling Fed threads and go back to the Nadal is God one instead? It's getting old. Fed fans have their opinions, they start their threads, and guess what? People like YOU, Nadal fans (and some who are worse, *******s), just HAVE to butt in. Why not just leave the *******s alone? I'm pretty sure you can't change their opinions, why bother? And all that happens is, you have one big ass jumble of worthless arguments, which may I remind you, goes round in circles again and again. The thread's original purpose is then destroyed. To be honest, the same goes for a lot of Nadal threads. Stupid *******s butt in and destroy the discussion. Seriously, the two players are good, but just because you support one doesn't mean you need to go into all threads proclaiming your player to be the best ever or what not. It's really getting very old, and I haven't even been on this board for a long time.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Nadal undoubtely is the undisputed current Number 1 in Tennis. Great mental and physical strenght and grossly underestimated tactician.
However whenever Federer is playing i either rush home to watch him or record it on Al Jazeera Sports 2 ( best tennis channel).

So i reason to myself - Why does my mind desire to watch Federer and not Nadal.
I can sum it up simply as: Watching Federer play is like imagining Michaelangelo paint the cistene Chapel. He uses the racquet like a brush,paints a game with his Wilson K-90 and is a Tennis Genius.

Nadal reminds me of a Soviet era sculpture, sculpting with grit, brute strength, and overpowering his oponents without any finesse.

I guess in the end thats why most of us watch Federer an not Nadal!!
Quoted for Truth!!

Beauty beats ugly any day of the week. :)
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
It seems that because Fed is no longer #1 and is no longer winning the most matches his fans are trying to claim he is some sort of artist and he is STILL greater than Nadal.
FYI, people have been calling Federer an artist before he even ever won his first Grand Slam.
I would guess there are just as many Nadal fans as Federer fans AND if he can call dumped backhands into the net and shanked forehands as art then I am happy for you!!
You guessed wrong. Evey public poll has shown that Federer has many more fans worldwide than Nadal does. It's not even close. Even fellow pros will go out of their way to watch Federer play. Not true with Nadal.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Why don't you re-read OP's post? I've bolded the word ME for you in OP's post. In case you haven't noticed, this was OP's opinion. And this was about Fed. Why don't you stop trolling Fed threads and go back to the Nadal is God one instead? It's getting old. Fed fans have their opinions, they start their threads, and guess what? People like YOU, Nadal fans (and some who are worse, *******s), just HAVE to butt in. Why not just leave the *******s alone? I'm pretty sure you can't change their opinions, why bother? And all that happens is, you have one big ass jumble of worthless arguments, which may I remind you, goes round in circles again and again. The thread's original purpose is then destroyed. To be honest, the same goes for a lot of Nadal threads. Stupid *******s butt in and destroy the discussion. Seriously, the two players are good, but just because you support one doesn't mean you need to go into all threads proclaiming your player to be the best ever or what not. It's really getting very old, and I haven't even been on this board for a long time.
OP's opinion was actually an INSULT (an ugly sculpture, brute, without finesse) on top of being a crazy one. OP wants to insult a player, fine but don't complain if people react strongly.
 

Richie Rich

Legend
I don't care about the rankings. Why do you? How does it affect your day to day life?

Even if Federer fell out of the Top 100, I'd still rather watch Federer play than Nadal.
well, i agree with you. but fact is nadal is number 1. for all who prefer watching fed, there are an equal number that prefer watching nadal. what does anyone's opinion got to do with anything? it's just an opinion
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
well, i agree with you. but fact is nadal is number 1. for all who prefer watching fed, there are an equal number that prefer watching nadal. what does anyone's opinion got to do with anything? it's just an opinion
But the thing is, that's not true. Every worldwide fan poll shows that many more people prefer to watch Federer than to watch Nadal.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
the difference between michelangelo and federer is one of them got better in his craft as he aged. The other one doesn't
lol !

As much as i love Fed, and agree with the first part of the OP, watching him dump balls into the net, or shank every other backhand has become extremely painful.

And the backhand is hardly a work of art.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Judging by Federer's current "style" and stats, I'd say he's progressed from Michelangelo to the ... Picasso style.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Wow now Federer lost the AO because of a sore back? We're going up a notch in the excuse department, aren't we?
Why do you think he served so horribly throughout the entire match? Duh...

Have you ever tried to serve at 100% of normal when you had a bad back? Or do you even play tennis?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Here's what I don't understand - if Rafa is about nothing more than racquet technology, if it's the racquet, not Rafa, why doesn't Fed get smart and simply pick up one of those magical racquets and take his #1 ranking back? That should be easy enough... especially for the Michelangelo of tennis.
Would Michelangelo use a can of spray paint to paint the Sistine Chapel? It would have made his life easier wouldn't it have?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
they are indeed both great players, players for the ages. great point about how being a fan of one seems to make some fans want to tear down the other. it's pathetic.
I, for one, don't think they are both great players, at least not on the same level of talent.

One is a great player (i.e., complete, amazing talent, etc.). The other is a great competitor.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Now the answer to that is easy, it's because it's NOT about the racquet, it's never been and never will be. There are lots of men out there eager to rack up the millions, the trophies and the fame. If a racquet could get the job done, believe me they wouldn't sit on their ass waiting. They would get out there, pick up the miraculous racquet and walk all over Nadal. They're not doing it because it doesn't work. It's all about ability, new or old technology, it's all about the man at the end of the stick, has always been and will always be.
Then Nadal should have no problems with switching to a wood racquet, right? He wouldn't miss a beat and still be #1, right? He'd still beat everyone including Federer, Djokovic, and Murray even with a wood racquet, right?

Sorry, but Nadal's ability cannot overcome the handicap of using a wood racquet. Would you bet your life savings on Nadal beating Federer, Djokovic or Murray with a wood racquet while the others used their current racquets? I didn't think so. So the technology does indeed matter, doesn't it?
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Why do you think he served so horribly throughout the entire match? Duh...

Have you ever tried to serve at 100% of normal when you had a bad back? Or do you even play tennis?
My guess is had he won... none would be the wiser concerning Fed's 'bad' back. It seems most players have some 'bad' or injured part... when they lose.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
My guess is had he won... none would be the wiser concerning Fed's 'bad' back.
You're right. He would have won despite his bad back.

Just like no one mentions Nadal's bad knees because he won. Had he lost, I'm sure all the *********s would be blaming the loss on his bad knees or his 5 hour marathon semi against Verdasco. But because he won, it's not talked about.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Would Michelangelo use a can of spray paint to paint the Sistine Chapel? It would have made his life easier wouldn't it have?
Then Nadal should have no problems with switching to a wood racquet, right? He wouldn't miss a beat and still be #1, right? He'd still beat everyone including Federer, Djokovic, and Murray even with a wood racquet, right?

Sorry, but Nadal's ability cannot overcome the handicap of using a wood racquet. Would you bet your life savings on Nadal beating Federer, Djokovic or Murray with a wood racquet while the others used their current racquets? I didn't think so. So the technology does indeed matter, doesn't it?
According to both racquet's power map... the K90 is MORE powerful than the Babolat APDC... you call a rocket launcher :oops:

In the middle of the stringbed:
K90 41.1%
APDC 40.1%

So... if the APDC is a rocket launcher... the K90 is a turbocharged rocket launcher :lol:

Also, doesn't Federer use Luxilon poly?
 
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BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
According to both racquet's power map... the K90 is MORE powerful than the Babolat APDC... you call a rocket launcher :oops:

In the middle of the stringbed:
K90 41.1%
APDC 40.1%

So... if the APDC is a rocket launcher... the K90 is a turbocharged rocket launcher :lol:

Also, doesn't Federer use Luxilon poly?
No one can deny that the K90 plays much closer to a wood racquet than the APD does. Just the weight, headsize, beam width, and feel alone would make that so. So if both Federer and Nadal switched to wood racquets, Federer would only need to make minor adjustments, whereas, it would be a humongous adjustment for nadal and Nadal would have to effectively change his game and his strokes and technique.

Federer uses natural gut in the mains which as you know plays a lot closer to full gut than the full poly that Nadal uses.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
No one can deny that the K90 plays much closer to a wood racquet than the APD does. Just the weight, headsize, beam width, and feel alone would make that so. So if both Federer and Nadal switched to wood racquets, Federer would only need to make minor adjustments, whereas, it would be a humongous adjustment for nadal and Nadal would have to effectively change his game and his strokes and technique.

Federer uses natural gut in the mains which as you know plays a lot closer to full gut than the full poly that Nadal uses.
Regardless of how it plays (i.e. feels like wood)... it's still more powerful than the APDC (i.e. rocket launcher). Therefore, Federer has benefited more in the racquet department, from all this modern technology, than Nadal :shock:

He's also benefited in the string department, from modern technology, since he uses poly in his stringbed :oops:
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
Federer is Britney Spears of tennis. Cheesy, pretentious, drama, tears, adolescent delusional fans, once big star and popular, but never real and true, sinking fast.
so what does that make djokovic? headcase, crybaby, always sick.

hmm. yeah, so djokovic has been winning against federer at the masters events.

when federer actually loses at a grand slam to djokovic, then i'll be willing to talk.

for me, i think federer doesn't care that much about masters events. he continues to peak at the slams, and still only nadal can beat him there, so i don't know why people make a big deal about him losing in a 2/3 match, which is where upsets are more likely for him anyway *since he seems to go on mental walkabouts all the time and doesn't get back until he loses the match*

Regardless of how it plays (i.e. feels like wood)... it's still more powerful than the APDC (i.e. rocket launcher). Therefore, Federer has benefited more in the racquet department, from all this modern technology, than Nadal :shock:

He's also benefited in the string department, from modern technology, since he uses poly in his stringbed :oops:
maybe you should play with those rackets before making a claim, since you obviously haven't, saying the k90 is more powerful stock than the apdc.

total insanity right there, you don't have a clue, do you?
 
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So if both Federer and Nadal switched to wood racquets, Federer would only need to make minor adjustments, whereas, it would be a humongous adjustment for nadal and Nadal would have to effectively change his game and his strokes and technique.
...and why does it matter? It's not like it matters anyway since no one is going to play with wood racquets anymore.
 
No one can deny that the K90 plays much closer to a wood racquet than the APD does. Just the weight, headsize, beam width, and feel alone would make that so. So if both Federer and Nadal switched to wood racquets, Federer would only need to make minor adjustments, whereas, it would be a humongous adjustment for nadal and Nadal would have to effectively change his game and his strokes and technique.

Federer uses natural gut in the mains which as you know plays a lot closer to full gut than the full poly that Nadal uses.

Why stop at wood racquets? Let's go back further in the past while you're at it. How about they play with their bare hands? That's how the sport of tennis started.

The game was first created by European monks to be played for entertainment purposes during religious ceremonies. To begin with, the ball was hit with the hand...
http://www.historyoftennis.net/history_of_tennis.html

Nadal would beat Federer using his superior arm strength. :D Maybe Federer wouldn't be anywhere in the Top 1000 greats if the game was still played using bare hands.
 
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rafan

Hall of Fame
Ummm. What it takes is an understanding of the type of game an ATP wannabe player must develop and refine in order to be successful. Roger chose to use a one hand backhand and was quite successful with it. At least until Nadal, Djokovich and Murray showed up with their killer thbhs. To infer that these players do not have the talent and coordination to master a one hander is preposterous. It would be the same as a Rafan saying Federer does not have the talent and coordination to have learned to play left handed as a youth.
Sour grapes are one thing. But your comment is beyond warranting a response. But I did so just to call out your idiocy.
Have we not seen Rafa using the one handed back hand at times- I'm sure he does?
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
According to both racquet's power map... the K90 is MORE powerful than the Babolat APDC... you call a rocket launcher :oops:

In the middle of the stringbed:
K90 41.1%
APDC 40.1%

So... if the APDC is a rocket launcher... the K90 is a turbocharged rocket launcher :lol:

Also, doesn't Federer use Luxilon poly?


The APDC has easier access to power because it has a larger string bed and can generate spin easier. What this means is that you can absolutely whail on the ball and not frame because of how big the racquet is.


The K90 cannot do that because you have a bigger chance to frame.



Common sense really. Numbers do not tell the story.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Regardless of how it plays (i.e. feels like wood)... it's still more powerful than the APDC (i.e. rocket launcher). Therefore, Federer has benefited more in the racquet department, from all this modern technology, than Nadal :shock:

He's also benefited in the string department, from modern technology, since he uses poly in his stringbed :oops:
maybe you should play with those rackets before making a claim, since you obviously haven't, saying the k90 is more powerful stock than the apdc.

total insanity right there, you don't have a clue, do you?
I have played with them both... have you?

BTW, those are TW's numbers not mine. If you have an issue with them, complain to TW :wink:

However, I trust TW more than I trust you :oops:
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
The APDC has easier access to power because it has a larger string bed and can generate spin easier. What this means is that you can absolutely whail on the ball and not frame because of how big the racquet is.


The K90 cannot do that because you have a bigger chance to frame.



Common sense really. Numbers do not tell the story.
Common sense tells me, in their stock form, the K90 is a more powerful racquet. I've used both, BTW :oops:

TW's numbers agree with my common sense :-D
 

gj011

Banned
hmm. yeah, so djokovic has been winning against federer at the masters events.

when federer actually loses at a grand slam to djokovic, then i'll be willing to talk.

for me, i think federer doesn't care that much about masters events. he continues to peak at the slams, and still only nadal can beat him there, so i don't know why people make a big deal about him losing in a 2/3 match, which is where upsets are more likely for him anyway *since he seems to go on mental walkabouts all the time and doesn't get back until he loses the match*
Little delusional and forgetful? Aren't we?
Remind me who beat Federer on AO 2008. So start to talk.
 

P_Agony

Banned
There are many people (including me) who are bored to tears watching Federer play tennis.

Nadal's playing style is much more exciting and interesting, IMO.
Fine! That's your opinion. But what about the rest of us who enjoy watching Federer. Are we not allowed to post threads that compare him to an artist? If you disagree with the the OP, then disagree with it. Comments like "Fed fans are desperate", however, aren't needed.

The *******s here are getting pathetic by the minute...
 

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
Nadal beat Federer like a drum at the AO 09 despite Nadal being totally exhausted.That was the best chance Fed will ever get.

Nadal tops Federer for first Aussie title

Nadal said his leg started to hurt during the third set and he called for a trainer to help him out.

"I ended the match against [Fernando] Verdasco with the right leg, the quadriceps and hamstring very tight," Nadal said.

"In the third set it started to [hurt]... I wasn't cramping but it was scary."

Nadal asked the trainer to massage his leg during the change of ends but was reluctant to call for a medical timeout in case he needed it later in the match.

The powerful left-hander said the pain never subsided.


"I was a little bit tired. I was little bit worried about my physical performance because [when] I trained, it was tough to keep up the concentration," Nadal said. "I spoke with my coach before the match and he told me to go out there and fight all the time and believe in the victory."



Wow now Federer lost the AO because of a sore back? We're going up a notch in the excuse department, aren't we?
 

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
Fed obviously doesn't know how to harness the strengths of his own racket and doesn't know how to win at net so Why doesn't Federer just go to Walmart and buy a Babolat just like Nadal's?

Or why doesn't he just use a bigger version of Nadal's racket like this one pictured! With the *******s's logic there should be no logical reasons why he wouldn't dominate with this racket. :lol:

He could even get them to make a custom made version with a shorter handle just for him.





The APDC has easier access to power because it has a larger string bed and can generate spin easier. What this means is that you can absolutely whail on the ball and not frame because of how big the racquet is.


The K90 cannot do that because you have a bigger chance to frame.



Common sense really. Numbers do not tell the story.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Fed obviously doesn't know how to harness the strengths of his own racket and doesn't know how to win at net so Why doesn't Federer just go to Walmart and buy a Babolat just like Nadal's?

Or why doesn't he just use a bigger version of Nadal's racket like this one pictured! With the *******s's logic there should be no logical reasons why he wouldn't dominate with this racket. :lol:

He could even get them to make a custom made version with a shorter handle just for him.

Lol!

That pic is classic :lol:

Just imagine the tension at which they strung that huge frame!
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Regardless of how it plays (i.e. feels like wood)... it's still more powerful than the APDC (i.e. rocket launcher). Therefore, Federer has benefited more in the racquet department, from all this modern technology, than Nadal :shock:

He's also benefited in the string department, from modern technology, since he uses poly in his stringbed :oops:
Then both Federer and Nadal should give up their current racquets and both switch to wood.

I can guarantee that Federer would dominate Nadal on all surfaces if they both played with wood racquets. It has to do with how they play the game and their strokes and technique. You can generate quite a bit of power with a wood racquet if you hit the ball flat and swing it fast since they are so heavy. But Nadal swings vertically instead of horizontally, doesn't he?
 
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Pirao

Semi-Pro
Then both Federer and Nadal should give up their current racquets and both switch to wood.

I can guarantee that Federer would dominate Nadal on all surfaces if they both played with wood racquets. It has to do with how they play the game and their strokes and technique. You can generate quite a bit of power with a wood racquet if you hit the ball flat and swing it fast since they are so heavy. But Nadal swings vertically instead of horizontally, doesn't he?
No they should switch to boxing gloves and have a boxing match in the tennis courts. Why? Because I say so! That seems to be your argument.
 

gj011

Banned
No they should switch to boxing gloves and have a boxing match in the tennis courts. Why? Because I say so! That seems to be your argument.
I bet Federer would beat Nadal if they both play with frying pans. :roll:

Although Roddick is the frying pan GOAT.
 

<3tennis!!!

Semi-Pro
Little delusional and forgetful? Aren't we?
Remind me who beat Federer on AO 2008. So start to talk.
maybe he meant when fed wasnt sick with mono:confused:the face that fed even made the semis that year is a true testament to his great skill
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
No they should switch to boxing gloves and have a boxing match in the tennis courts. Why? Because I say so! That seems to be your argument.
I bet Federer would beat Nadal if they both play with frying pans. :roll:

Although Roddick is the frying pan GOAT.
The sport of tennis (the current rules, size of court, height of net, size and weight of the ball, etc.) was created with wood racquets in mind. Not boxing gloves, not frying pans, and certainly not high-tech graphite racquets. :-?
 

gj011

Banned
maybe he meant when fed wasnt sick with mono:confused:the face that fed even made the semis that year is a true testament to his great skill
LOL pulling mono excuse again.
Federer also lost in Wimbledon due to darkness and in AO due to bad back.

Great excuse making skills indeed.
 

Pirao

Semi-Pro
The sport of tennis (the current rules, size of court, height of net, size and weight of the ball, etc.) was created with wood racquets in mind. Not boxing gloves, not frying pans, and certainly not high-tech graphite racquets. :-?
Oh no, football in the past was played with balls that weighed a ton, so it should still be played that way today! Swimming wasn't designed with the current technology in swimming suits in mind! OMG!

The sport of tennis evolves like every other sport. Deal with it.
 

<3tennis!!!

Semi-Pro
LOL pulling mono excuse again.
Federer also lost in Wimbledon due to darkness and in AO due to bad back.

Great excuse making skills indeed.
um did i mention that????? rofl nice way to twist things around. it was medically proven he was suffering from mono during AO 2008 but yeah i guess its just an excuse. anyone can play to their full potential with mono right:confused:
 

<3tennis!!!

Semi-Pro
The sport of tennis (the current rules, size of court, height of net, size and weight of the ball, etc.) was created with wood racquets in mind. Not boxing gloves, not frying pans, and certainly not high-tech graphite racquets. :-?
i must say i disagree with ur argument BP. yes nadals game is ENTIRELY based on his massive topspin which allows him to dominate rallies like noone else, but the APD is just a racquet and im sure there are many other racquets out there that nadal could apapt to and produce just as much wicked spin as he does now
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Oh no, football in the past was played with balls that weighed a ton, so it should still be played that way today! Swimming wasn't designed with the current technology in swimming suits in mind! OMG!

The sport of tennis evolves like every other sport. Deal with it.
Those high-tech swimsuits should be banned and they may still be. I think the jury is still out on that one. Swimming is about who's physically a better and faster swimmer, NOT who's wearing the most high-tech swimsuit!

And thanks for making my point with your football example. In football, everyone on the field is playing with the same ball, aren't they? That's my point about standardization in tennis! Everyone on a tennis court should be playing with not only the same ball, but also with the same racquet. Discrepancies in equipment makes it inherently unfair due to the superiority of one racquet over another. The differences in equipment should be eliminated as a variable in the outcome of a sporting contest. The winner should be the best player, NOT who was using the best equipment. If you can't understand that then you don't like to play games fairly and on a level playing field.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
i must say i disagree with ur argument BP. yes nadals game is ENTIRELY based on his massive topspin which allows him to dominate rallies like noone else, but the APD is just a racquet and im sure there are many other racquets out there that nadal could apapt to and produce just as much wicked spin as he does now
With modern racquets probably true, but not with a wood racquet.
 

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
Fed should try to get mono again so he can play as well now as in the AO 08.

um did i mention that????? rofl nice way to twist things around. it was medically proven he was suffering from mono during AO 2008 but yeah i guess its just an excuse. anyone can play to their full potential with mono right:confused:
 
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