Federer mileage by the end of 2011 AO

[PeoplesChamp]

907 matches.

To put this number into perspective, I've provided a total career matches list of some of the most notable players outside of Big 3.

Andy Murray - 877 matches
Stan Wawrinka - 840 matches
Lleyton Hewitt - 878 matches
Andy Roddick - 823 matches
Marin Cilic - 803 matches

Crazy stuff isn't it

 

[Jonesy]

Old is old.

 

[CYGS]

Excuses, excuses, excuses

 

[Nadal_Django]

#18 and #311 still hurts, isn't it.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

#18 and #311 still hurts, isn't it.

I see the rankings have taken a blow lol. Will hit that thread up soon.... Gotta be rough on you Novak Bros these days.

 

[Chronos]

This is one of the most important points that many Djokovic fans are ignoring. When Djokovic peaked in 2011, Federer was the GS record holder of all time, had 4 years of dominance that never seen before (never seen later on) which can make any body exhausted.

Actually we saw it in Djokovic when he dominated (not even as dominant as Fed, he never reached 18/19 consecutive slam finals) 2011-2016 even without any young ATG that can challenge him, and even he did not achieved the all time GS record (which may lead him to lose motivation) he was too exhausted and he lost 1,5 years to get back in form again.

It is way easier being the younger and record chaser instead of being older and trying to protect the record considering H2H matches especially. In this race Djokovic by far the one who has advantage. He was a younger and more motivated player trying to get the record from an older fella.

 

[Nuclear Warhead Sinner]

The kind of mental stunts Fed devotees have been performing since WB19 are simply mind boggling. The people at Marvel seems to be into multiverses/parallel dimensions, they could make a solid movie out of Federer worshipers.

 

[AceSalvo]

Fed's mileage between 2003-2012 is what caused him to decline after that.

Exit before SF's after their 1st slam victory (including Slams not played) until the age of 32:
Fed - 7
Djoko - 14
Nadal - 26

ATP Finals exit before SF's (including DNQ) until the age of 32:
Fed - 1
Djoko - 4
Nadal - 10

Fed haters ignore that fact. Its pretty obvious who ran out of mileage.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Hahaha True Fanerer is butthurt lol

 

[PeoplesChamp]

It is way easier being the younger and record chaser instead of being older and trying to protect the record considering H2H matches especially. In this race Djokovic by far the one who has advantage. He was a younger and more motivated player trying to get the record from an older fella.

 

[CYGS]

Fed's mileage between 2003-2012 is what caused him to decline after that.

Exit before SF's after their 1st slam victory (including Slams not played) until the age of 32:
Fed - 7
Djoko - 14
Nadal - 26

ATP Finals exit before SF's (including DNQ) until the age of 32:
Fed - 1
Djoko - 4
Nadal - 10

Fed haters ignore that fact. Its pretty obvious who ran out of mileage.

Last I checked Fed fans had me convinced that Federer’s style was much less taxing on the body than Djokodal’s combined and typically he spent much less time on court on average that Djokodal might even retire before him.

Guess after all their predictions went wrong and Djokodal play much better in their 30s, those stories should all be discarded and new theories about his physical decline suddenly have to be accepted as truth not excuses to justify his inferior records against his main rivals? Okay.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[ChrisRF]

Those are impressive numbers because it shows how great and consistent he is/was. He played more matches in half of his career than some other good players in their full careers.

I don’t think the concept of “mileage” in the sense of wearing the body down has any value though. Often intense practice is just as exhausting as playing matches, and the other players practice just as much of course. Also it’s more about recovering for the next match or tournament. After a long enough break you won’t be exhausted earlier just because you played more matches in the years (!) before.

 

[Lew II]

Slams won aged 28-34:

Djokovic 10/23 (43.5%)
Nadal 7/27 (25.9%)
Federer 2/28 (7.1%)

Age doesn't look like a problem for Djokodal. Why was it such a big matter for Federer?

 

[Justice Underworld]

Djokovic matches after 2017 AO > 913
Slams won since then > 6

Nadal matches after 2016 AO > 933
Slams won since then > 6

???

 

[CYGS]

Slams won aged 28-34:

Djokovic 10/23 (43.5%)
Nadal 7/27 (25.9%)
Federer 2/28 (7.1%)

Age doesn't look like a problem for Djokodal. Why was it such a big matter for Federer?

Because he’s not as great.

 

[PilotPete]

Neither Djokodal have a 5 years younger ATG challenging them. Federer had two. That's why age mattered more for Federer.

 

[Lew II]

Match time until the year they turned 30:

Nadal 1h 51m x 927 matches = 102,897 minutes
Djokovic 1h 49m x 906 matches = 98,745 minutes
Federer 1h 40m x 917 matches = 91,700 minutes

 

[BackhandDTL]

Slams won aged 28-34:

Djokovic 10/23 (43.5%)
Nadal 7/27 (25.9%)
Federer 2/28 (7.1%)

Age doesn't look like a problem for Djokodal. Why was it such a big matter for Federer?

Even I’ll admit that Fed had it tough post prime with the competition.

Djokovic fakes his way to more vultured titles against absolute mugs in his post prime. Nadal vultured a few but his RGs were too convincing. Esp 2017 and 2018, etc.

 

[PETEhammer]

This is one of the most important points that many Djokovic fans are ignoring. When Djokovic peaked in 2011, Federer was the GS record holder of all time, had 4 years of dominance that never seen before (never seen later on) which can make any body exhausted.

Actually we saw it in Djokovic when he dominated (not even as dominant as Fed, he never reached 18/19 consecutive slam finals) 2011-2016 even without any young ATG that can challenge him, and even he did not achieved the all time GS record (which may lead him to lose motivation) he was too exhausted and he lost 1,5 years to get back in form again.

It is way easier being the younger and record chaser instead of being older and trying to protect the record considering H2H matches especially. In this race Djokovic by far the one who has advantage. He was a younger and more motivated player trying to get the record from an older fella.

Djokovic won 4 slams consecutively, something Fed never managed.

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[PETEhammer]

All that wear and tear from outrunning your opponent in Wimbledon finals must be catching up...

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

Yeah yeah OP Federer is the GOAT and it will stay this way we get it I think

 

[Start da Game]

907 matches.

To put this number into perspective, I've provided a total career matches list of some of the most notable players outside of Big 3.

Andy Murray - 877 matches
Stan Wawrinka - 840 matches
Lleyton Hewitt - 878 matches
Andy Roddick - 823 matches
Marin Cilic - 803 matches

Crazy stuff isn't it

all those players had multiple injury breaks........how many did fraud have in his entire career apart from the latest knee surgery aged 39?

 

[pj80]

Fed's mileage between 2003-2012 is what caused him to decline after that.

Exit before SF's after their 1st slam victory (including Slams not played) until the age of 32:
Fed - 7
Djoko - 14
Nadal - 26

ATP Finals exit before SF's (including DNQ) until the age of 32:
Fed - 1
Djoko - 4
Nadal - 10

Fed haters ignore that fact. Its pretty obvious who ran out of mileage.

except that he didn't decline...instead he improved his level 2014-2018

 

[Phoenix1983]

Last I checked Fed fans had me convinced that Federer’s style was much less taxing on the body than Djokodal’s combined and typically he spent much less time on court on average that Djokodal might even retire before him.

Guess after all their predictions went wrong and Djokodal play much better in their 30s, those stories should all be discarded and new theories about his physical decline suddenly have to be accepted as truth not excuses to justify his inferior records against his main rivals? Okay.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

You need to seek help bro. Stop thinking about what Fed fans are thinking about.

 

[CYGS]

You need to seek help bro. Stop thinking about what Fed fans are thinking about.

Still not caring about you - sorry to tell you that mate.

 

[AceSalvo]

Those are impressive numbers because it shows how great and consistent he is/was. He played more matches in half of his career than some other good players in their full careers.

I don’t think the concept of “mileage” in the sense of wearing the body down has any value though.

Claiming injury and sitting out for multiple slams has 0 impact to wear and tear on the body?

 

[ibbi]

I found this interesting so I looked it up:

Djokovic's 900th match was over Dimitrov at the 2016 Paris Masters right before he lost to Cilic in the next round. Rafa's I believe was his loss to Nishikori at the 2015 Rogers Cup. Obviously, it's not that simple, but it's interesting those both came in the middle of major slumps for them.

 

[TMF]

Excuses, excuses, excuses

 

[CYGS]

Agreed - this thread is full of lame excuses.

 

[Beckerserve]

907 matches.

To put this number into perspective, I've provided a total career matches list of some of the most notable players outside of Big 3.

Andy Murray - 877 matches
Stan Wawrinka - 840 matches
Lleyton Hewitt - 878 matches
Andy Roddick - 823 matches
Marin Cilic - 803 matches

Crazy stuff isn't it

All the more remarkable that he STILL is ahead of Djokovic on Major count given he never had 2 majors on his best surface. Imagine his number of weeks at no.1 with AO still on grass and 6 m1000s on grass. Be close to 600 weeks i would think?

 

[6august]

Good to see Fedal fans are united again.

)))

LMAO.

 

[yokied]

@BackhandDTL yeah Nadal has been made to earn his RGs well enough for long enough not to be considered vulturing IMHO. The BS he carries on with for the non-clay season is hard to take, but nobody can seriously suggest much vulturing on clay. He overcame Fedovic clay peaks often enough, even Stan too. I doubt Tim getting a brain transplant to become a mental giant would’ve changed the outcome much.

Also, I think RG20 will be well remembered as one of his best. He measured his efforts and levels perfectly, saving a lot for the final, which on its own was enough of a demolition to make it memorable and memerable. That was the biggest jump in level (movement especially) from pre-final to final I’ve ever seen and I’m absolutely ashamed of myself for giving Novak any prayer whatsoever.

 

[RelentlessAttack]

Slams won aged 28-34:

Djokovic 10/23 (43.5%)
Nadal 7/27 (25.9%)
Federer 2/28 (7.1%)

Age doesn't look like a problem for Djokodal. Why was it such a big matter for Federer?

Easy, 2007-13 was the strong era and 2014-20 is the inflation era, proven by the fact that Djokovic had to wait until now to start piling up titles. After his first 4 peak years, Djokovic only had 7 slams. Off the top of my head, Nadal had 9 by the end of 2010 (first peak year 2007) and Federer had 12 at the end of 2007. Nadal played his entire peak in the strong era and therefore is the best of the 3.

 

[mike danny]

I found this interesting so I looked it up:

Djokovic's 900th match was over Dimitrov at the 2016 Paris Masters right before he lost to Cilic in the next round. Rafa's I believe was his loss to Nishikori at the 2015 Rogers Cup. Obviously, it's not that simple, but it's interesting those both came in the middle of major slumps for them.

All the Big 3 declined at 29.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

All the more remarkable that he STILL is ahead of Djokovic on Major count given he never had 2 majors on his best surface. Imagine his number of weeks at no.1 with AO still on grass and 6 m1000s on grass. Be close to 600 weeks i would think?

Well, Federer is at worst the 2nd best ever on HC and Overall HC BOAT in my book. But, yeah his numbers would be off the charts if there were more grass tournaments. No doubt about it.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

The kind of mental stunts Fed devotees have been performing since WB19 are simply mind boggling. The people at Marvel seems to be into multiverses/parallel dimensions, they could make a solid movie out of Federer worshipers.

Mental stunts = Facts that you don't like having attention drawn to.

Fed played nearly ONE THOUSAND matches before Djokovic won his 2nd slam and started his peak period. Deal with it

 

[Deleted member 688153]

"heres how many matches fed played"
"heres how many matches murray played"



"hater,LOL cope fed-turd 18 and 311"


ive asked it before but didn't get an answer, whats the minimum sign up age allowed here

 

[Chronos]

Djokovic won 4 slams consecutively, something Fed never managed.

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This is what i am talking actually. 4 slams consecutively means 1 year of dominance. When he made NCYGS, he exhausted by it and lost more then 1 year to regain his motivation in a field where there is no young ATG and he did not get slam record also.
But Fed had 4 years of dominance (18/19 slams) and he had all the records a man can have back then, he was considered as greatest by many in 2011 already, but still you guys consider him as he had no mileage or anything. And compare him against a rival who is 24-25 years old and starting his career as fresh as he can.

 

[abmk]

Slams won aged 28-34:

Djokovic 10/23 (43.5%)
Nadal 7/27 (25.9%)
Federer 2/28 (7.1%)

Age doesn't look like a problem for Djokodal. Why was it such a big matter for Federer?

pretty weak competition for Luckovic and Nadal when aged 28-34 obviously, clearly more luck for Luckovic.

worst gen and newgen (as bad if not not worse than worst gen in slams)

Djokovic clearly better in 12-14 (3 years) than in mid-2018 to current (a little over 2.5 years)
Won only 3 slams in 12-14 out of 12 slams as compared to 6 slams in mid-2018 to current out of 10.

As I said Luckovic, Luckovic, Luckovic.

 

[Chronos]

Last I checked Fed fans had me convinced that Federer’s style was much less taxing on the body than Djokodal’s combined and typically he spent much less time on court on average that Djokodal might even retire before him.

Guess after all their predictions went wrong and Djokodal play much better in their 30s, those stories should all be discarded and new theories about his physical decline suddenly have to be accepted as truth not excuses to justify his inferior records against his main rivals? Okay.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Djokodal are not playing better in their 30s then Federer did.(They are way more successful, yes).
Even with all the mileage he had, 2015 Federer can win 3 of 4 slams easily with current Djokodal playing. The problem of 30s Federer that he had peak Djokovic, Nadal but not the next gen mugs who can not play 2 consecutive 5 set matches in a slam against players who are 34-35 years old.

 

[CYGS]

Djokodal are not playing better in their 30s then Federer did.(They are way more successful, yes).
Even with all the mileage he had, 2015 Federer can win 3 of 4 slams easily with current Djokodal playing. The problem of 30s Federer that he had peak Djokovic, Nadal but not the next gen mugs who can not play 2 consecutive 5 set matches in a slam against players who are 34-35 years old.

You eye test is worth zero to me.

 

[Red Rick]

Djokodal are not playing better in their 30s then Federer did.(They are way more successful, yes).
Even with all the mileage he had, 2015 Federer can win 3 of 4 slams easily with current Djokodal playing. The problem of 30s Federer that he had peak Djokovic, Nadal but not the next gen mugs who can not play 2 consecutive 5 set matches in a slam against players who are 34-35 years old.

But I was told Fed was a weak era opponent at that point.

 

[Beckerserve]

Well, Federer is at worst the 2nd best ever on HC and Overall HC BOAT in my book. But, yeah his numbers would be off the charts if there were more grass tournaments. No doubt about it.

Federer is GOAT HC player of his generation. He has most USOs. However he was not dominant on it as Nadal was around and Djokovic in Australia. But it is his 2nd surface. Point being he is obviously far better than Djokovic overall as is Nadal as both have more Majors with less events on their best surface. Not sure why this is not mentioned much as its absolutely critical.