Federer - More Efficient with age? - Has Reached 4th Round without losing a set at his last 5 Grand Slams

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Is Federer more efficient with age?

He has reached the 4th Round without losing a set at the last 5 Grand Slams that he has played.

Australian Open
2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2018, 2019

French Open
2005, 2007, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2019

Wimbledon
2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018

US Open
2001, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2018
 
Tennis_Freak99 said:
What this guy is achieving is absolutely incredible. He is effortlessly dismantling his opponents on a surface he hasn't played in almost 3 years! Mad respect.

As much as I want it, I am quite sure Novak won't be able to play with that much consistency at 38....so will Nadal.

Coming from a Nole fan
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Does he need though? LOL If he by some miracle captures CYGS this year by winning all four, then goes and wins the other 2 or 3 next year he will either tie or surpass him at the age of 33! Everything beyond that is just details! Everyone will quickly forget how its impressive to play that good at 38 and they will start talking about the guy, who overtook his records! (At this point ranking records seem obvious as well!)...
Mark my words! It doesn't matter if Djokovic will be able to play this good at 38 or not! All that truly matters in tennis is playing and winning grand slams! And if Novak breaks Federer's slam record before turning 35 - then nothing else matters and the rest is the story for haters...
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
Does he need though? LOL If he by some miracle captures CYGS this year by winning all four, then goes and wins the other 2 or 3 next year he will either tie or surpass him at the age of 33! Everything beyond that is just details! Everyone will quickly forget how its impressive to play that good at 38 and they will start talking about the guy, who overtook his records! (At this point ranking records seem obvious as well!)...
Mark my words! It doesn't matter if Djokovic will be able to play this good at 38 or not! All that truly matters in tennis is playing and winning grand slams! And if Novak breaks Federer's slam record before turning 35 - then nothing else matters and the rest is the story for haters...
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Well that's another story, I too believe that he'll catch 20 slams up before 38 or 35 or whatever.

What I meant was these 3 never stop impressing us in their own different ways
 
Tennis_Freak99 said:
What this guy is achieving is absolutely incredible. He is effortlessly dismantling his opponents on a surface he hasn't played in almost 3 years! Mad respect.

As much as I want it, I am quite sure Novak won't be able to play with that much consistency at 38....so will Nadal.

Coming from a Nole fan
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Thanks, I had to put that other guy on ignore, he was polluting the thread with his fantasies.
 
It is only when Djokovic and Nadal reach 35-36 that fans will truly realise how amazing and unique Federer's achievements over the last two and a half years have been. He continues to astound and amaze.
 
Day_Tripper said:
It is only when Djokovic and Nadal reach 35-36 that fans will truly realise how amazing and unique Federer's achievements over the last two and a half years have been. He continues to astound and amaze.
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Aren't you guys had enough of this "when Djokovic and Nadal reach *insert Fedr's age* story", already. :oops:
I could swear we hear the same mantra over and over again ever since 2010 or so.:censored:
 
Day_Tripper said:
It is only when Djokovic and Nadal reach 35-36 that fans will truly realise how amazing and unique Federer's achievements over the last two and a half years have been. He continues to astound and amaze.
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Nothing is ever more impressive than winning the most grand slams than any men in history of the game! Just put me in coma for couple of years or more, then put me out of it, then we will be back to this discussion! If by some lucky chance Federer will still hold his slam count record - then we'll talk about how it was impressive, that he was still winning after turning 35! LOL Until then - its all looks silly and forced! Lets talk about how its impressive for Rosewall to come back and win grand slam final, when he turned 38 with 20 years grand slam winning span, something even Federer can't dream to replicate! I wonder why nobody talk about that?! Oh right...its because Laver's, Borg's and Sampras' and hell even Lendl careers were just more impressive! (Not to mention big-3 results!) The only reason people are "impressed" with Federer's age achievements and milestones is because he is "actual/viral" as of now, he is still doing it, while holding major records! Once one or two of the major ones go down (either his ranking or slam count record!), this entire hysteria will wear itself off and bring people back to Earth, when they realize he is no longer the "king of the hill" in tennis! LOL
 
He definitely makes it more of a priority to come racing out of the blocks early in recent years. He knows he can't afford to get dragged into a 3-5 hour battle if he wants a realistic shot at winning the title.

In his prime he could afford to take risks and drop sets without even thinking twice, because he was more fit than anyone on tour outside of Nadal. Now he tends to hone in on that Sampras-esque one break per set and relax.
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
Nothing is ever more impressive than winning the most grand slams than any men in history of the game! Just put me in coma for couple of years or more, then put me out of it, then we will be back to this discussion! If by some lucky chance Federer will still hold his slam count record - then we'll talk about how it was impressive, that he was still winning after turning 35! LOL Until then - its all looks silly and forced! Lets talk about how its impressive for Rosewall to come back and win grand slam final, when he turned 38 with 20 years grand slam winning span, something even Federer can't dream to replicate! I wonder why nobody talk about that?! Oh right...its because Laver's, Borg's and Sampras' and hell even Lendl careers were just more impressive! (Not to mention big-3 results!) The only reason people are "impressed" with Federer's age achievements and milestones is because he is "actual/viral" as of now, he is still doing it, while holding major records! Once one or two of the major ones go down (either his ranking or slam count record!), this entire hysteria will wear itself off and bring people back to Earth, when they realize he is no longer the "king of the hill" in tennis! LOL
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You sound even more deluded than a paid-up member of Pepe's commune. If Djoker gets to 21 all credit to him, he is the GOAT. But right now he is at 15 and literally light-years away from the target. So you're going to end up weeping bitter tears at the two wasted years from 16-18 when the chances of GOATdom slipped away..
 
JoshuaPim said:
You sound even more deluded than a paid-up member of Pepe's commune. If Djoker gets to 21 all credit to him, he is the GOAT. But right now he is at 15 and literally light-years away from the target. So you're going to end up weeping bitter tears at the two wasted years from 16-18 when the chances of GOATdom slipped away..
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You are completely missing my point...and the point is no matter how "light-years" away Djoker is from the target yet, he still has chances to do that! I am not imagining things out of thin air, i am simply broadcasting what may very well come true according to the obvious pattern that is forming at horizon! I don't have to be prohpet to say that Djoker will at very least add another 3 grand slams to his resume! But that is like extremely pessimistic prediction! I don't see any of next gen guys starting to push Nadal and Djokovic so hard in 2020 out of the blue, that it will lock them both from keep winning more grand slams! Even in worst case of scenarios, where Djokdal will indeed start losing to the likes of Tsitsipas and alikes at grand slams, starting from 2020 already, they will still be good enough to have chances to win at least one grand slam of the four in a season for the next two or three years! That is good enough for Novak to at absolutely least get that 18 grand slams! But the thing is he is playing so good right now, that as crazy as it might sound he may get 18 in this season alone by winning all 4! If THAT holds up, then you can kiss Federer's slam count record pretty much goodbye! Even if Novak will still be 2 grand slams away by the beginning of 2020! Because no way that in THAT form Novak will fail to win and defend at least 2 of those in 2020! I am projecting now off course, but whatever...
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
You are completely missing my point...and the point is no matter how "light-years" away Djoker is from the target yet, he still has chances to do that! I am not imagining things out of thin air, i am simply broadcasting what may very well come true according to the obvious pattern that is forming at horizon! I don't have to be prohpet to say that Djoker will at very least add another 3 grand slams to his resume! But that is like extremely pessimistic prediction! I don't see any of next gen guys starting to push Nadal and Djokovic so hard in 2020 out of the blue, that it will lock them both from keep winning more grand slams! Even in worst case of scenarios, where Djokdal will indeed start losing to the likes of Tsitsipas and alikes at grand slams, starting from 2020 already, they will still be good enough to have chances to win at least one grand slam of the four in a season for the next two or three years! That is good enough for Novak to at absolutely least get that 18 grand slams! But the thing is he is playing so good right now, that as crazy as it might sound he may get 18 in this season alone by winning all 4! If THAT holds up, then you can kiss Federer's slam count record pretty much goodbye! Even if Novak will still be 2 grand slams away by the beginning of 2020! Because no way that in THAT form Novak will fail to win and defend at least 2 of those in 2020! I am projecting now off course, but whatever...
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You can get crazy AFTER Novak gets to 21 majors.

Right now the time is Federer's and Djokovic is the 3rd best.

If Djokovic beats Fed, Tsitsipas or FAA will beat Djoker some day. All records will be broken one day or the other.
 
Not sure I put too much stock in this, especially given he has proceeded to lose in the 4R or QF in the past 3 slams. He's efficient, but certainly not more than he's ever been.

I actually don't tend to mind if Fed loses a set in the early rounds; it forces him into a high pressure situation and tests his ability to mentally recover. All important for doing well in the later rounds
 
Towny said:
Not sure I put too much stock in this, especially given he has proceeded to lose in the 4R or QF in the past 3 slams. He's efficient, but certainly not more than he's ever been.

I actually don't tend to mind if Fed loses a set in the early rounds; it forces him into a high pressure situation and tests his ability to mentally recover. All important for doing well in the later rounds
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I can see that. He won 14 sets in a row to start Wimbledon, and that didn't stop him from dropping 3 in a row when things got tight.
 
Towny said:
Not sure I put too much stock in this, especially given he has proceeded to lose in the 4R or QF in the past 3 slams. He's efficient, but certainly not more than he's ever been.

I actually don't tend to mind if Fed loses a set in the early rounds; it forces him into a high pressure situation and tests his ability to mentally recover. All important for doing well in the later rounds
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Pretty much this! LOL Remember Rosewall was still reaching GS finals in his 40's! Something that is worth mentioning, when talking about how incredible and i quote - "never before seen" Federer's age milestones appear to be! You can talk about impossibilities to replicate that these days, cuz of game getting more physical, more competition bla bla bla...but thats not the point...
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
Pretty much this! LOL Remember Rosewall was still reaching GS finals in his 40's! Something that is worth mentioning, when talking about how incredible and i quote - "never before seen" Federer's age milestones appear to be! You can talk about impossibilities to replicate that these days, cuz of game getting more physical, more competition bla bla bla...but thats not the point...
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I know you understand the difference between what Rosewall did and what Federer is doing.
 
MeatTornado said:
I can see that. He won 14 sets in a row to start Wimbledon, and that didn't stop him from dropping 3 in a row when things got tight.
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Exactly. I think Fed gets too used to cruising. He's not as good when the pressure is on anymore. Tiebreaks used to be a fairly safe bet. Now, I see him as a underdog. I'm happy he got to play one today, as practice. As long as he doesn't spend too long out on court, I'm happy to see him tested a bit in the early rounds so he's more prepared for tougher later round competition.
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
Pretty much this! LOL Remember Rosewall was still reaching GS finals in his 40's! Something that is worth mentioning, when talking about how incredible and i quote - "never before seen" Federer's age milestones appear to be! You can talk about impossibilities to replicate that these days, cuz of game getting more physical, more competition bla bla bla...but thats not the point...
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Even though Rosewall's longevity is arguably more impressive than Federer's, having the best longevity since Rosewall is a great achievement for Federer. Of course, the longevity achievements which actually matter to me are things like winning a slam and being number 1 at age 36
 
Towny said:
Exactly. I think Fed gets too used to cruising. He's not as good when the pressure is on anymore. Tiebreaks used to be a fairly safe bet. Now, I see him as a underdog. I'm happy he got to play one today, as practice. As long as he doesn't spend too long out on court, I'm happy to see him tested a bit in the early rounds so he's more prepared for tougher later round competition.
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Winning those 3rd set breakers vs Monfils and Coric has me feeling 1000x more comfortable than I did earlier in the year.
 
MeatTornado said:
I know you understand the difference between what Rosewall did and what Federer is doing.
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Like losing before reaching semi-finals of favorite grand slams aged sub-40 as opposed to reaching the said finals, when you are 44?? Yeah i know the difference...and i am not sure any other argument should be valid...
 
MeatTornado said:
Winning those 3rd set breakers vs Monfils and Coric has me feeling 1000x more comfortable than I did earlier in the year.
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Yeah I agree, although he probably shouldn't have been in that position in the first place (well Coric was fair enough given the 2 matches in 1 day nonsense). If he can rely on his tiebreak game, it will really help his chances in the later rounds, and really help my sanity in the later rounds too!
 
I think he is playing ultra aggressive knowing he can afford to make some mistakes against the weaker players. He knows he needs energy for the 2 week, problem is he will lose if he plays this way against the top guys unless he is absolutely on... and he can be. He knows this too, but the question is will all of it come together at the right time? It hasn't in over a year now.
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
Nothing is ever more impressive than winning the most grand slams than any men in history of the game! Just put me in coma for couple of years or more, then put me out of it, then we will be back to this discussion! If by some lucky chance Federer will still hold his slam count record - then we'll talk about how it was impressive, that he was still winning after turning 35! LOL Until then - its all looks silly and forced! Lets talk about how its impressive for Rosewall to come back and win grand slam final, when he turned 38 with 20 years grand slam winning span, something even Federer can't dream to replicate! I wonder why nobody talk about that?! Oh right...its because Laver's, Borg's and Sampras' and hell even Lendl careers were just more impressive! (Not to mention big-3 results!) The only reason people are "impressed" with Federer's age achievements and milestones is because he is "actual/viral" as of now, he is still doing it, while holding major records! Once one or two of the major ones go down (either his ranking or slam count record!), this entire hysteria will wear itself off and bring people back to Earth, when they realize he is no longer the "king of the hill" in tennis! LOL
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Did you take a couple of coffees with that gallon of red bull vodka? The only hysteria right now is happening in your head.

People are impressed (not “impressed”) with Fed’s old age achievements because it’s been 40+ years since anyone achieved anything similar, and quite obviously times have changed A LOT. And when Roger’s records fall (because once they will), people will still be talking about this.
 
Day_Tripper said:
It is only when Djokovic and Nadal reach 35-36 that fans will truly realise how amazing and unique Federer's achievements over the last two and a half years have been. He continues to astound and amaze.
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Why should they reach his age to justify their achievements? Both Djokovic and Nadal also matured earlier than Federer so it's not a like for like age comparison
 
MeatTornado said:
I know you understand the difference between what Rosewall did and what Federer is doing.
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I do. Not a damned thing.

Great is great in any era. A long career is equally impressive in any era.

It's fair to measure any player according to what he had to do to stay on top in his own era. Rosewall was a marvel, and so was Pancho Gonzalez who was not able to compete in open tennis until age 40.

And Fed is a marvel.

In fact, I put Laver in the same place because he concentrated on WTC tennis and other open tennis events outside of majors once he had proved to the word he could win them all.

Fed needs no defense from anyone. His accomplishments stand on their own, as do those of other ATGs. ;)
 
Tennis_Freak99 said:
As much as I want it, I am quite sure Novak won't be able to play with that much consistency at 38....so will Nadal.

Coming from a Nole fan
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Possibly he won't be able, but 10 years ago most common opinion among Fed fans was that Nadal won't be able to walk at 28/29 yo, and when Fed was 31/32/33 stories were that Rafole wont play near as good at same age, and we saw what is happening...

Even biggest question is will they even need to play in Fed's current age, maybe Nadal or Djokovic will already pass Fed (with other two already retired) and just stop playing as goat.
Nadal_Django said:
Aren't you guys had enough of this "when Djokovic and Nadal reach *insert Fedr's age* story", already. :oops:
I could swear we hear the same mantra over and over again ever since 2010 or so.:censored:
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Exactly, you explained better than me...
 
Nadal_Django said:
Aren't you guys had enough of this "when Djokovic and Nadal reach *insert Fedr's age* story", already. :oops:
I could swear we hear the same mantra over and over again ever since 2010 or so.:censored:
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Yes, since 2010 all eyes were on Nole - I mean he was already sitting pretty on one (1) slam and was a mere 15 behind Roger.
 
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