Federer. Nadal. The Sandy Reckoning.

#5
I find the lack of humour and game in Nadal fans disappointing. Nads and his fanbase are truly in decline.

I would love to see this match. I think it might be a lot closer than their previous dust-up out there.
 
#7
I find the lack of humour and game in Nadal fans disappointing. Nads and his fanbase are truly in decline.

I would love to see this match. I think it might be a lot closer than their previous dust-up out there.
Agreed.

But look. They've an opportunity to rid themselves—for a yet to be determined duration—of a heathen.

Let us pray with all our might for these stars to align.
 
#11
Alright.

As if this deal could get any sweeter. Seriously.

Going to raise the stakes: get in early to maximize the payout.

Folks, this thing is back by popular demand. Act now and lock in your guaranteed reward in triplicate.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
#13
I find the lack of humour and game in Nadal fans disappointing. Nads and his fanbase are truly in decline.

I would love to see this match. I think it might be a lot closer than their previous dust-up out there.
There really aren’t that many Rafa fans on TTW. TTW is mainly a Fed fan club with a strong contingent of Djokovic fans to needle them / be needled.

Honestly I don’t think it’s exaggerating to say there are more Djoker fans than Rafa fans on TTW. The Rafa fans have some great personalities on TTW tho.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
#14
There really aren’t that many Rafa fans on TTW. TTW is mainly a Fed fan club with a strong contingent of Djokovic fans to needle them / be needled.

Honestly I don’t think it’s exaggerating to say there are more Djoker fans than Rafa fans on TTW. The Rafa fans have some great personalities on TTW tho.
Where are the Rafa fans? Twitter?

I feel like it's probably Twitter
 
#15
There really aren’t that many Rafa fans on TTW. TTW is mainly a Fed fan club with a strong contingent of Djokovic fans to needle them / be needled.

Honestly I don’t think it’s exaggerating to say there are more Djoker fans than Rafa fans on TTW
Couple of tenacious buggers were hanging in there prior to the traditional year end collapse. The customary AO faceplant may have been the nail in the coffin, I fear.

Will no one release me? :oops::cry:
 

Azure

Hall of Fame
#23
Where are the Rafa fans? Twitter?

I feel like it's probably Twitter
Here (I am one), but don't feel the need to message on every damn thread about h2h, goat, who's got more money, who's got the better partner, play Nostradamus and predict who's going to win, how Rafa fandom is bigger or smaller than other fandoms, how one is 'running away' when their favourite loses etc. Each one finds their niche on the forums. I know of at least 3-4 Rafa fans who rarely indulge in such discussions and yet are frequent posters on the forum.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#25
I think that @Sport was particularly hell bent on betting with people and leaving as a "reward".

He is a Nadal fan, right (hopefully not predominantly Federer hater, no?)?

:cool:

P.S. FFW makes this forum more interesting, so I would like to see him stay, but I can understand how logging in this place is not the most productive way to spend his time.
 

Your Hero

Professional
#26
Seems like a long way to go just to get rid of a Nadal fan. Unnecessary too.
By sticking around and saying the things he does he's probably driven off
more than a few of them already.
 
#28
Seems like a long way to go just to get rid of a Nadal fan. Unnecessary too.
By sticking around and saying the things he does he's probably driven off
more than a few of them already.
Well, I suppose thanks are in order, fellow ironist.

And aren’t you an absolute charmer with that remark, to boot!

Reckon it hasn’t crossed your mind that the primary intent here may not be another user’s departure.
 
#29
I think that @Sport was particularly hell bent on betting with people and leaving as a "reward".

He is a Nadal fan, right (hopefully not predominantly Federer hater, no?)?

:cool:

P.S. FFW makes this forum more interesting, so I would like to see him stay, but I can understand how logging in this place is not the most productive way to spend his time.
Thank you.

And appreciate the understanding.

Also, interesting about @Sport .

What do you say, ol’—never mind.

By the by, we can work out something else, people. Sure, Nad’s doing the most damage. Hence the original proposal. But surely some will wish to seize this opportunity to walk the walk.

Please. Carpe this mutha.
 
#32
When would the unholy semi take place? This Friday?

Can I get a commitment by, say, Thursday?

People, these kinds of opportunities don't come around every—eh, okay, I do like to give folks opportunities for salvation. ;)

But seriously... don't miss the boat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#33
When would the unholy semi take place? This Friday?

Can I get a commitment by, say, Thursday?

People, these kinds of opportunities don't come around every—eh, okay, I do like to give folks opportunities for salvation. ;)

But seriously... don't miss the boat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is the commitment?

A Fedal semi?

Interesting question to Fedal fans is, if your guy had to lose, would you rather it be to other half of Fedal, or Djokovic in the final?
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
#37
What is the commitment?

A Fedal semi?

Interesting question to Fedal fans is, if your guy had to lose, would you rather it be to other half of Fedal, or Djokovic in the final?
I'd say beat Nadal and lose to Djoker, personally. Even after all these years there's still a deep happiness that comes over me when Federer beats the Bull.:happydevil: Losses are taken with a grain of salt in my slightly older age now, but the previous point holds true.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#39
I'd say beat Nadal and lose to Djoker, personally. Even after all these years there's still a deep happiness that comes over me when Federer beats the Bull.:happydevil: Losses are taken with a grain of salt in my slightly older age now, but the previous point holds true.
I can understand that. I wonder if Nadal fans would want the same, beat Federer but lose to Djokovic...because Djokovic is the one guy that can potentially stop Nadal on clay.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
#40
Federer took him out in 2012 in straights also. Nadal beat an injured Federer in 2013. On this court, Federer has the advantage. If they play each other again, not sure how anyone would make Nadal the fav, unless Federer is hurt.
Not sure it's that simple tbh. Federer's been too shaky for a good while now to be made the prohibitive favourite against Nadal at any tournament IMO. I understand your viewpoint, but I'd call it closer to 50/50 right now. I wouldn't call Fed an underdog, but favourite status is also a step too far I think.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#41
Not sure it's that simple tbh. Federer's been too shaky for a good while now to be made the prohibitive favourite against Nadal at any tournament IMO. I understand your viewpoint, but I'd call it closer to 50/50 right now. I wouldn't call Fed an underdog, but favourite status is also a step too far I think.
But what makes Nadal anymore of a fav? He hasn't been in the best of shape himself. Please don't let that AO performance deceive you, the only reason he got that far was because he didn't play anyone decent. The moment he did, he was exposed. Federer played very well to close out Dubai and get that 100 title monkey off his back and today, I was very impressed with his movement. He looks to be playing very freely right now.

I also heard Nadal has issues with his wrist, and coming off of that bad loss to Kyrgios, I personally don't see it as 50-50 if both come on song. Federer is the superior hard player, even in these conditions as shown in the past, it is 60-40 IMO.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
#42
But what makes Nadal anymore of a fav? He hasn't been in the best of shape himself. Please don't let that AO performance deceive you, the only reason he got that far was because he didn't play anyone decent. The moment he did, he was exposed. Federer played very well to close out Dubai and get that 100 title monkey off his back and today, I was very impressed with his movement. He looks to be playing very freely right now.

I also heard Nadal has issues with his wrist, and coming off of that bad loss to Kyrgios, I personally don't see it as 50-50 if both come on song. Federer is the superior hard player, even in these conditions as shown in the past, it is 60-40 IMO.
Fair enough. Good points here. I didn't like how Federer looked in the 2nd set today though. I hope and assume he'll get better if he makes the SF, but I still don't like the up and down nature of Federer's play right now, and I know it's become a running joke here that Federer blows a ton of BPs, but it seems worse than ever before. He had 4 or 5 BPs to go up 1-0 on Gojowcyzk today, then he fell behind 3-1 after not converting and only converted himself when he was already behind. Then he faced 0-40 at 4-3 and only broke at 5-5 because of a DF.

All in all, for all Nadal's faults lately I still see the overall consistency from the baseline that may hurt Federer if he can't find some nice form quickly. Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I'm not sure the Dubai final form carries over to IW and I'm afraid it might be more of a one off than anything else. I haven't really seen Federer as favourite in any potential match up with Nadal since maybe IW last year, and if he's going to beat Nadal here his attacking tennis needs to be on point because he looks really slow in any relatively neutral baseline rally.

Anyhow, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#43
Fair enough. Good points here. I didn't like how Federer looked in the 2nd set today though. I hope and assume he'll get better if he makes the SF, but I still don't like the up and down nature of Federer's play right now, and I know it's become a running joke here that Federer blows a ton of BPs, but it seems worse than ever before. He had 4 or 5 BPs to go up 1-0 on Gojowcyzk today, then he fell behind 3-1 after not converting and only converted himself when he was already behind. Then he faced 0-40 at 4-3 and only broke at 5-5 because of a DF.

All in all, for all Nadal's faults lately I still see the overall consistency from the baseline that may hurt Federer if he can't find some nice form quickly. Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I'm not sure the Dubai final form carries over to IW and I'm afraid it might be more of a one off than anything else. I haven't really seen Federer as favourite in any potential match up with Nadal since maybe IW last year, and if he's going to beat Nadal here his attacking tennis needs to be on point because he looks really slow in any relatively neutral baseline rally.

Anyhow, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
I guess we will see. Of course, I am not emotionally invested in this match the way you are, so I get your viewpoint. Maybe it is easier for me to say it due to that.
 
#44
I guess we will see. Of course, I am not emotionally invested in this match the way you are, so I get your viewpoint. Maybe it is easier for me to say it due to that.
They're all aging. But seriously, when 40 is only a couple of years away... it's orders of magnitudes more insane to even be competitive at this level, isn't it?

That's why even losing a set to Federer at this point is damaging for his opponents' legacies.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#45
They're all aging. But seriously, when 40 is only a couple of years away... it's orders of magnitudes more insane to even be competitive at this level, isn't it?

That's why even losing a set to Federer at this point is damaging for his opponents' legacies.
Is it? When Federer is widely considered the GOAT? I mean if you are going to being losing sets, it would be to the guy they call the GOAT right?
 
#46
Is it? When Federer is widely considered the GOAT? I mean if you are going to being losing sets, it would be to the guy they call the GOAT right?
I'm not sure how long that defense holds water.

That's been the go-to for a few Federer, um, detractors ( :) ) for quite a little while.

I'll just reiterate what I've said before elsewhere: if Federer had any difficulty whatsoever with someone five+ years his senior, I'd have reservations about calling him the GOAT.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#47
I'm not sure how long that defense holds water.

That's been the go-to for a few Federer, um, detractors ( :) ) for quite a little while.

I'll just reiterate what I've said before elsewhere: if Federer had any difficulty whatsoever with someone five+ years his senior, I'd have reservations about calling him the GOAT.
But he is GOAT as we speak, right?
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
#48
I guess we will see. Of course, I am not emotionally invested in this match the way you are, so I get your viewpoint. Maybe it is easier for me to say it due to that.
I'd love to see the match happen. It would be awesome to see it in their current forms. I would also enjoy seeing Federer win in anything that's post 2017 form. Fascinating prospect. Of course I'd also like Federer to beat Djokovic, but that's a different match up for a different day and probably a tougher one at that. :)
 
#49
Come on. Make this fun.

Put something behind your boasts.

I know some of the loudmouths are reading this.

If this offer doesn't strike your fancy, make another one.

I'm all ears.
 
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