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He said he'll decide over the weekend. Which is the right thing to do, his emotions are probably high after a loss like this, he doesn't want to rush into a wrong decision.
Spot on! (see below)

If it were up to me, I'm leaning a bit to 'no', BUT I think he'll play. He has multiple reasons to play; momentum, matches > practice, similar conditions to RG, points, playing Rome again, etc.

Win-Win for me! :D

 

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He said he'll decide over the weekend. Which is the right thing to do, his emotions are probably high after a loss like this, he doesn't want to rush into a wrong decision.
In April, this is what Ljub said:

"And while Ljubicic confirmed the intention remains to just play in Madrid, he did not rule out playing in Rome. "The plan is Madrid for now,” Ljubicic told Sky Sport Italia. “As for Rome, it depends on what happens in Madrid."

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/1117868/Roger-Federer-Rome-Masters-coach-Ivan-Ljubicic

Rome is a lot slower, the balls aren't as lively and it's more of a grind. But Roger is in such beautiful form, I almost hope he plays Rome. Neither the Monfils or Thiem matches were particularly brutal, though I'm sure emotionally he's pretty blown right now.
 
In April, this is what Ljub said:

"And while Ljubicic confirmed the intention remains to just play in Madrid, he did not rule out playing in Rome. "The plan is Madrid for now,” Ljubicic told Sky Sport Italia. “As for Rome, it depends on what happens in Madrid."

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/1117868/Roger-Federer-Rome-Masters-coach-Ivan-Ljubicic

Rome is a lot slower, the balls aren't as lively and it's more of a grind. But Roger is in such beautiful form, I almost hope he plays Rome. Neither the Monfils or Thiem matches were particularly brutal, though I'm sure emotionally he's pretty blown right now.
Think it's 50-50 right now, depends how he feels when he wakes up from bed tomorrow I guess. :p

When I was watching the match today I thought for sure he was skipping Rome, but then the draw came out and it looks like a pretty nice path for 360 points with Rafa/Thiem killing themselves in the bottom quarter.
 

Hitman

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3 matches in Madrid + 3 matches in Rome + 4 matches in Paris = 10 matches on clay.

Perfect preparation for Wimbledon (y)
With Thiem moving up to 4th seeding more likely now for RG, Federer could potentially even win his quarter at RG. I wouldn't put it past him and make his ceiling a semi appearance. He looks eager on the clay, and doesn't look like he just wants to play a few matches.
 

BeatlesFan

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Why? So he can tire himself out even more?

If he couldn't win today in Madrid, I don't see him winning the slower Rome.
Obviously he's not a legit contender in any of the clay events. The entire point is to wrack up points, nothing more and nothing less. It's the smart move as long as his body feels OK.
 
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Obviously he's not a legit contender in any of the clay events. The entire point is to wrack up points, nothing more and nothing less. It's the smart move as long as his body feels OK.
But clearly there's a line you don't want to cross. If it was just about points he should've played Monte-Carlo too.

Strategic scheduling is still the #1 priority with Wimbledon lurking around the corner. And you know as well as anyone that the last couple years he's faded down the stretch of the season, and that was with a 2 month vacation already built in.
 

BeatlesFan

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But clearly there's a line you don't want to cross. If it was just about points he should've played Monte-Carlo too.
You're a Fed fan, please explain how he executes a 3 week training block on clay in Europe after having won Miami on HC, followed by an 8 day family vaca to the Maldives?

No... he should not not have played MC, nor could he have played MC with what he had on his plate. It's not about stupidly gathering up points with no regard to his mind or body. It's about strategic accumulation of points.

There's a vast difference between:

1) Transitioning to clay from HC with a 9 day training block and then entering MC after Miami

2) A three week training block, playing Madrid and reaching MP against the in-form clay player and then going into Rome with confidence and match play.

Easy math, simple logic and you're right, it's a line he shouldn't cross. :)

And he didn't cross it.
 
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As a Fed fan I enjoyed his few matches on clay and I also think it was good for his game going into RG. A loss to an in form Thiem on clay in a tough fought match with little clay preparation is a positive thing.

The points are meaningless, it was like 180 points and both Nadal and Djokovic will gain points in Madrid as well.

There is absolutely no reason to play in Rome unless he feels he needs more matches.
 
If Fed is going to play Stuttgart and Halle, then don't play Rome.

Last year he made a comment he was worn out by the time Halle ended.
Fed hasn't committed to Stuttgart and I don't think he's playing it.

I think he realized two long weeks going deep in Stuttgart and Halle wasn't beneficial for him. 2017 he lost in 1R to Haas then went on a tear and didn't drop a set at both Halle and Wimby. Halle dont think he was broken and Wimby he was only broken once or twice the whole tourney.
 
Fed hasn't committed to Stuttgart and I don't think he's playing it.

I think he realized two long weeks going deep in Stuttgart and Halle wasn't beneficial for him. 2017 he lost in 1R to Haas then went on a tear and didn't drop a set at both Halle and Wimby. Halle dont think he was broken and Wimby he was only broken once or twice the whole tourney.
So does he need to play both Madrid AND Rome to make-up the points from Stuttgart? Or is it a minimal difference?


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I knew something good was up when he and his team decided to play Madrid. The experimentation was really fun to see.

1. He tried to hit out on his BH returns as much as possible
2. He hit topspin backhands just about every time his footing was right and ended points with it (@Meles talked about this before his matches here in Madrid).
3. We saw some chip and charge, SBRs
4. He stood right on the baseline and hit some FHs so incredibly early
5. Saw a lot of serves down the T on the DEUCE court, something he’s gone more and more away from as he’s aged (his slice out wide on the deuce has become deadlier). His back must be feeling good for him to be doing this.
6. When the returner was way back (Thiem, Gasquet and Monfils
[always like this], he served and volleyed and volleyed well.

Just amazing that at age 38 he was right there with a guy who looks like he can win RG and is playing the best tennis of his life.
 
Many positives for Federer after making the return to clay.

I would love to see him play Rome, and surely he will now.

Just a brief word on Thiem, anyone who has time to listen to his post match conference in full, I can recommend it. He is full of praise for Federer and we really get a chance to hear his thoughts on the huge tactical changes in his game that have occurred in 2019.
 
More I think about it, this is perfect for Fed. Take the 180 points and the confidence gained(took one of the favorites to 3 sets and had match points) and get out and prepare for RG.
Yeah, I see no reason to push it. You couldn't ask for better prep for RG.

Confidence that he can still hang with the best on clay, but spared the mental blow of losing to Djokovic or Nadal.
 
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