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junior74

G.O.A.T.
Thiem. ‘Federer has something different. He is so special. A beauty how he plays the game’.

‘He is playing very well on clay’
Thiem is so humble, so aware of those who have inspired him, so deliciously different from Zed.
I hope he wins RG19.

I hope Roger knows what he is doing. He needs points to get a good ranking. Fingers crossed. Plays great :)
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
I watched again some of the Monfils and Thiem matches. What’s truly amazing is that Federer’s movement, already lessened by age and wear and tear, was even poorer after the long layoff on clay. He was reaching for so many balls that it was hard to see a times.

But here’s what amazing: He ameliorated for that deficiency with some world class, all time ball striking at times, great serve, and powerful, no-chip stuff, returns. He smothered Monfils and Thiem in both the first sets even though Thiem served and hit wonderfully in that first set.

Both Monfils and Thiem adjusted and Federer lost steam in both matches as his opponents dug in and defended better and forced him to stretch out to FHs.

At nearly 38.

He’s just a once in a lifetime, incomparable talent.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Again I feel even this week adds to his legacy a bit...4 months off 38 and some return to clay....
Agree, but if he had knocked out Thiem it would have been a huge story. And he eould have had momentum heading into Djokovic, who is low on confidence and matches himself.

But I'm not too bothered by these close loses from Federer anymore. If anything it just proves how lethal he will be on grass later on...
 

Rogfan

Semi-Pro
I feel like I shouldn’t have an opinion on his schedule on clay as I didn’t watch any of his matches due to poor time for me. But I just couldn’t help myself but come here and say I’m really glad he’s in the draw for Rome which results in Nadal - Thiem lineup I hope he withdraws from Rome though as I don’t think he needs more match to know where he is for RG and he doesn’t need another tough loss. He should take a leaf from Nadal’s book - you don’t lose when you don’t play. Therefore winning % remains high and confidence remains high
 

mightyjeditribble

Hall of Fame
Obviously he's not a legit contender in any of the clay events. The entire point is to wrack up points, nothing more and nothing less. It's the smart move as long as his body feels OK.
Actually, Fed has said that one reason he wanted to play clay again is to practice longer matches, longer rallies for conditioning, particularly after what happened at the USO with the heat.

I'm sure picking up some points is a bonus, but I don't think it's the only motivation.

(Sent from my mobile phone.)
 
Actually, Fed has said that one reason he wanted to play clay again is to practice longer matches, longer rallies for conditioning, particularly after what happened at the USO with the heat.
I have never heard that. Just that the lay off between hard and grass had been too long (and love for the game etc., I add at my own expence). To me the USO thing was more heat than conditioning (they apparantly fixed it afterwards, leaving some doors open or something). And I have a hard time seeing some clay form/conditioning spilling over to the USO.
 

Ann

Hall of Fame
Those believing points aren't that important... if you think for one second it doesn't matter to Roger where he is in the rankings, then today must be your first day as a Federer fan.
 
Those believing points aren't that important... if you think for one second it doesn't matter to Roger where he is in the rankings, then today must be your first day as a Federer fan.
People are not saying it is not about the points, just that it is not only about the points. I do not think anyone has claimed it doesn't matter to Roger where he is in the rankings.
 

mightyjeditribble

Hall of Fame
I have never heard that. Just that the lay off between hard and grass had been too long (and love for the game etc., I add at my own expence). To me the USO thing was more heat than conditioning (they apparantly fixed it afterwards, leaving some doors open or something). And I have a hard time seeing some clay form/conditioning spilling over to the USO.
He explicitly said this in one of the interviews at the beginning of Madrid about his decision to play clay. I can't remember exactly which, but someone else might.

(Sent from my mobile phone.)
 
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Deleted member 77403

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He explicitly said this in one of the interviews at the beginning of Madrid about his decision to play clay. I can't remember exactly which, but someone else might.

(Sent from my mobile phone.)
This is correct. He said he wanted to play longer rallies that could help him in situations like the USO, because he was so used to playing fast quick points, that when he needed to grind at USO, he simply wasn't up to the challenge.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
No offense or anything, but I don't get what's beneficial about playing Rome. He is not a contender for RG, so I don't see any reason to play so many matches on clay. He is risking injury and fatigue ahead of Wimb.
this is me right now, like i just don't get it. does roger think he has an actual chance at winning rg? maybe he just wants to get far and thinks he can do so but not win, but I thought he was going to approach this whole thing like he did AO 2017, just play and see what happens, and this kind of seems like he's going in not quite with that attitude. i know people are like don't worry he iwll be fine for grass season, but will he be?
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Interesting to see Fed announcing his decision to play Rome so quickly. Means he's motivated/pissed off from the loss. I'm just hoping he doesn't overplay himself. I'm not worried about burning out from extra clay tournaments but I don't want him to injure himself (2017 Montreal is still clearly etched in the back of my mind).
same, i'm hoping he still remembers that grass is where he will be more effective on and that should be his priority. like does he think he is going to win fo?
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
this is me right now, like i just don't get it. does roger think he has an actual chance at winning rg? maybe he just wants to get far and thinks he can do so but not win, but I thought he was going to approach this whole thing like he did AO 2017, just play and see what happens, and this kind of seems like he's going in not quite with that attitude. i know people are like don't worry he iwll be fine for grass season, but will he be?
I guess he is deep into the competitive environment again when you try to win every match you play.

But what I really think he wants is to sharpen his return and ground game.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
this is me right now, like i just don't get it. does roger think he has an actual chance at winning rg? maybe he just wants to get far and thinks he can do so but not win, but I thought he was going to approach this whole thing like he did AO 2017, just play and see what happens, and this kind of seems like he's going in not quite with that attitude. i know people are like don't worry he iwll be fine for grass season, but will he be?
It might help him a little bit with seeding at Wimbledon.
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
same, i'm hoping he still remembers that grass is where he will be more effective on and that should be his priority. like does he think he is going to win fo?
Playing the clay will help his groundstrokes. I think in an interview earlier on he said playing so much on grass and hard meant he was reacting at times and couldn't get full swings in his shots.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Playing the clay will help his groundstrokes. I think in an interview earlier on he said playing so much on grass and hard meant he was reacting at times and couldn't get full swings in his shots.
He could always take a half step back instead of gluing himself to the baseline.

Not sure he needed to enter clay court events just for that.
 

Sartorius

Hall of Fame
He could always take a half step back instead of gluing himself to the baseline.

Not sure he needed to enter clay court events just for that.
The half a step back could mean a big step toward defeat.

That is what got him AO 2017 etc etc. And Fognini more or less beat Nadal 50 cms behind the line...
He won AO by stepping inside the court, not out of it.
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
If Fed is going to play Stuttgart and Halle, then don't play Rome.

Last year he made a comment he was worn out by the time Halle ended.
In his QF post-match presser, Fedr said he's not signed in for Stuttgart this year (so highly not playing it), and that last year's Stuttgart/Halle/WB combo was too much grass tennis for him.

At 2:43 in clip:

I have never heard that. Just that the lay off between hard and grass had been too long (and love for the game etc., I add at my own expence). To me the USO thing was more heat than conditioning (they apparantly fixed it afterwards, leaving some doors open or something). And I have a hard time seeing some clay form/conditioning spilling over to the USO.
Fedr said it here, at 5:40s:




.........and ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, Fedr the dorkerer:

 

MeatTornado

Legend
So are you guys still delusional about Fed's chances of winning RG because he nearly beat Thiem?

Novak just showed how far off Dominic truly is. He didn't even have to get the car out of 3rd gear to beat him in straights.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
So are you guys still delusional about Fed's chances of winning RG because he nearly beat Thiem?
I don't think I have any Fed fan on ignore here, and I've not yet seen one single Fed fan say they believe he will win RG. Maybe I missed these posts, but I don't think any of us here are that delusional. Thiem's not winning RG either, it will almost certainly be either Djokovic or Nadal, probably the former. I thought the general consensus among Fed fans was this:

Madrid: QF (which he did)
Rome: (skip or a QF result)
RG: 4R
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think I have any Fed fan on ignore here, and I've not yet seen one single Fed fan say they believe he will win RG. Maybe I missed these posts, but I don't think any of us here are that delusional. Thiem's not winning RG either, it will almost certainly be either Djokovic or Nadal, probably the former. I thought the general consensus among Fed fans was this:

Madrid: QF (which he did)
Rome: (skip or a QF result)
RG: 4R
Are you really surprised that Mr. Tornado attributes such (false) claims to the Federer fans only to arrive on his white horse and set them straight?

:rolleyes:
 

NBP

Hall of Fame
I find it funny that before the clay season, people were acting as if Federer wasn't top 20 on the surface, and he'd get routed by Munar or Carballes Baena in a hypothetical match. I did not care that he hadn't played on it in 4 years (I don't count the farce that was 2016). He junkballed his way to Masters finals in 2014-15 with the 97 inch, beating the liked of Tsonga, Djokovic, Wawrinka, Berdych etc, reached a RG QF (losing to a GOATing Wawrinka who went on to also beat the #1), won Istanbul (for arguments sake:-D) and such. He didn't forget how to play.

No one expects him to win Roland Garros. I'd be amazed if we even saw him in the SF, but next time maybe don't doubt his qualities so much.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
I find it funny that before the clay season, people were acting as if Federer wasn't top 20 on the surface, and he'd get routed by Munar or Carballes Baena in a hypothetical match. I did not care that he hadn't played on it in 4 years (I don't count the farce that was 2016). He junkballed his way to Masters finals in 2014-15 with the 97 inch, beating the liked of Tsonga, Djokovic, Wawrinka, Berdych etc, reached a RG QF (losing to a GOATing Wawrinka who went on to also beat the #1), won Istanbul (for arguments sake:-D) and such. He didn't forget how to play.

No one expects him to win Roland Garros. I'd be amazed if we even saw him in the SF, but next time maybe don't doubt his qualities so much.
Noone is doubting his quality, but that doesn't mean that losing to Thiem isn't indicative of his waning ability on clay. It is a good result for him, but not exceptional (IMO exceptional would have been if he beat Thiem and gave a match to Novak). So, turn down the white-knighting, will you?

:cool:
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
Tsitsipas in the final in Madrid might help Fed in Rome here since he might run out of gas, it'll be him playing 3 weeks in a row with the maximum number of matches.

I'm quite intrigued about the potential R3 matchup with FAA, if it's Coric instead that could be a huge banana peel as well.

Good good, he'll need more time to get used to the conditions. Just look at how atrociously he looked against Albot when he did the IW-Miami switch.
 
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It's nice to see how much Roger is loved everywhere and the crowds show up even for his practices...

But if I'm honest, on another level, it doesn't feel that great because it seems like a farewell tour without the winning results on clay.

Wondering also if the supposed 'bonus' of playing freely on clay, with losses like that in Madrid, turns into a confidence boost for the young guys when they face Roger on grass...
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
it doesn't feel that great because it seems like a farewell tour without the winning results on clay.

Wondering also if the supposed 'bonus' of playing freely on clay turns into a confidence boost for the young guys when they face Roger on grass...
These are interesting points. I don't think it's a farewell tour, he's not retiring at the end of 2019, as he's said. It may likely be his farewell events on clay (he gave a very cagey answer about whether he'd play in Madrid next year). I doubt he'll play clay again after this year's FO. Nobody, even Fed himself, really expected to be winning any of these clay events. He's winning already just by playing clay at his age. Connors was throwing in the towel against Chang after 4 sets in the FO at age 38 and he was supposedly the "great warrior" and busted his butt on every point. Then afterwards said, "nobody past 33 or 34 can play on this surface!"

I don't think defeating Fed on clay translates into anything when it comes to grass. If Fed's in form, he beats anyone in grass except Djokovic. Tsitsipas beat him at the AO and a month later Roger beat him convincingly in Dubai.

I think Roger can make the semis in Rome and believe Thiem will beat Nadal. Maybe this time Roger can solve to Thiem puzzle if they meet. A semi in Rome is an awesome result for him at his age.
 
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These are interesting points. I don't think it's a farewell tour, he's not retiring at the end of 2019, as he's said. It may likely be his farewell events on clay (he gave a very cagey answer about whether he'd play in Madrid next year). I doubt he'll play clay again after this year's FO. Nobody, even Fed himself, really expected to be winning any of these clay events. He's winning already just by playing clay at his age. Connors was throwing in the towel against Chang after 4 sets in the FO at age 38 and he was supposedly the "great warrior" and busted his butt on every point. Then afterwards said, "nobody past 33 or 34 can play on this surface!"

I don't think defeating Fed on clay translates into anything when it comes to grass. If Fed's in form, he beats anyone in grass except Djokovic. Tsitsipas beat him at the AO and a month later Roger beat him convincingly in Dubai.

I think Roger can make the semis in Rome and believe Thiem will beat Nadal. Maybe this time Roger can solve to Thiem puzzle if they meet. A semi in Rome is an awesome result for him at his age.
I wasn’t the most enthusiastic supporter of Roger’s clay decision so I’m not expecting great results on clay. It’s Wimbledon and beyond that matters to me.

That said, these losses against the young guys in Masters and Slams will add up eventually (Theim in IW and now Madrid).

This whole sport is about matchups... when the dynamics of one change, they can be hard to reverse. And they’ll cast their longest shadows when the pressure is on.

Roger might be playing ‘free’ now, but come Wimbledon, the pressure will be on him and guys like Theim, Medyedev and Tsits will be ones playing ‘free’ because they got nothing to lose.

So clay or not, Roger has an aura to maintain otherwise he just makes it more difficult for himself when it matters most to him. Forget getting to Djokovic at that point (just like at the AO this year), it might be a slog just making week 2
 

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