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so they don't switch sides during changeover ?? and this isn't a fair match. Rafa constantly gets nice high bouncing balls to crush while Federer gets fast bouncing low skidding balls all the time on his side....lol
Was 'just' about to say something similar. Rafa gets more time to set for shots (+1 Rafa), Rafa's shots move faster on Roger's side (+1 Rafa), Roger's shots are slowed on Rafa's side (+1 Rafa), Roger's serve is neutralized (+1 Rafa), Rafa's serve is sped up on Roger's side (+1 Rafa), Roger's slices are useless on Rafa's side (+1 Rafa).

Some battle of the surfaces :-D.
 
Was 'just' about to say something similar. Rafa gets more time to set for shots (+1 Rafa), Rafa's shots move faster on Roger's side (+1 Rafa), Roger's shots are slowed on Rafa's side (+1 Rafa), Roger's serve is neutralized (+1 Rafa), Rafa's serve is sped up on Roger's side (+1 Rafa), Roger's slices are useless on Rafa's side (+1 Rafa).

Some battle of the surfaces :-D.
Welcome to the world where everything favors Rafa... except slam count, WTF's, weeks at number 1, and anything else not clay related. :cool:
 
Unless Rafa does indeed play queens.
Confirmed in his press that he's not playing.

This news is too good that it makes me think he won't win Halle.

It's like last year when he only needed to win 1 more point and would've been #1 for like an extra 3 months.
That IW final right?
1 more point and he'd be at 322 weeks now.
 
Confirmed in his press that he's not playing.



That IW final right?
1 more point and he'd be at 322 weeks now.
And that's assuming he still would've lost 1st round at Miami, which by his own admission likely wouldn't have happened if he'd won the IW title.

If he got by Kokkinakis, that title was on the table as well with Nadal/Djokovic/Murray all still MIA. A bunch more points, at least.
 
And that's assuming he still would've lost 1st round at Miami, which by his own admission likely wouldn't have happened if he'd won the IW title.

If he got by Kokkinakis, that title was on the table as well with Nadal/Djokovic/Murray all still MIA. A bunch more points, at least.
Yeah the draw was Kokkinakis-Verdasco-Carreno Busta-Zverev-Isner

Could've made YE #1 a three-way race because iirc despite his poor 2nd half of 2018 he had a mathematical shot till like WTF or Bercy
 
I'm really hopeful Fed will meet Rafa again at Wimbledon.
You're braver than me. They each get older, but the lefty-advantage will always be a disadvantage for Fedr, even though Fedr's chances to beat Nadl are best at faster courts like WB. Fedr needs some breaks to fall his way bc he's almost 38. I no longer need him to beat the best for his titles. It's a weak era now, but I'll take the titles howerver they come ;).
 
Yeah the draw was Kokkinakis-Verdasco-Carreno Busta-Zverev-Isner

Could've made YE #1 a three-way race because iirc despite his poor 2nd half of 2018 he had a mathematical shot till like WTF or Bercy
So many lost opportunities that year for more points.

-Halle could've been won in straights if he converted his set point in the 1st.
-Would've had at least SF Wimby points if he converted MP vs Anderson
-Paris title was on the table if he converted that opening set point vs Novak in the SF
 

Otacon

Hall of Fame
You're braver than me. They each get older, but the lefty-advantage will always be a disadvantage for Fedr, even though Fedr's chances to beat Nadl are best at faster courts like WB. Fedr needs some breaks to fall his way bc he's almost 38. I no longer need him to beat the best for his titles. It's a weak era now, but I'll take the titles howerver they come ;).
Come on, Roger is playing great tennis this year and is physically in excellent shape. He can beat anyone at Wimbledon and Rafa himself is aware of it.
 
Come on, Roger is playing great tennis this year and is physically in excellent shape. He can beat anyone at Wimbledon and Rafa himself is aware of it.
Oh, I agree that Fedr is in great form, no doubt! I just don't want his path to be hard, just for the sake of being hard. I think I will only rate Djokr as a 'slight' favorite (bc of age), and maybe Nadl too (lefty-advantage. Nadl served almost exclusively to Fedr's BH in their RG SF match as further proof.). But Fedr will be about 50-50 ish against them. I'm quite hopeful for WB #9 in a few weeks.
 
You are just hung up on the "chances will be better" and totally disregarding the way Fed played which had nothing to do with the conditions. Again, you just say your memory is fine but dont want to discuss how Fed lost in QF last year.

I dont see the point of this discussion.
You and me both....

Anyway, your point here doesn't do anything; if it was nothing to do with the conditions then why are you even talking about them (ignoring the obvious question of how on Earth you could tell that high winds weren't the cause of any of his problems, such as him taking 20mph off his second serves)? Why would he do just as poorly at Wimbledon as RG against Rafa in the same form? That doesn't make any sense to me. The Anderson match was a different year, different opponent with different variables including form, a hand issue plus Fed should have won in straights as we discussed. Not sure why that means Fed would necessarily lose in straights to Rafa in 2019 form. It doesn't seem a salient example and I don't see how one reinforces the other.
 
Hmmm, I could be wrong, but that sounds like a suggestion of something. Words like "somethings going on" and "seems weird" is usually a suggestion that someone is doping. Am I detecting this correctly or am I just off?
No, I wasn't trying to say that, I wasn't even thinking it. It just seems odd that all of a sudden it's so "easy" for the top guys to reel off ridiculous numbers of slams. I'm just wondering what the explanation is. For a long time, I thought it was that all the surfaces played similarly because they've slowed them down, but I don't think that quite makes sense. Maybe it's a weak era, like Ann says above. Maybe the modern equipment promotes more consistency so the best guys almost always win.
 
No, I wasn't trying to say that, I wasn't even thinking it. It just seems odd that all of a sudden it's so "easy" for the top guys to reel off ridiculous numbers of slams. I'm just wondering what the explanation is. For a long time, I thought it was that all the surfaces played similarly because they've slowed them down, but I don't think that quite makes sense. Maybe it's a weak era, like Ann says above. Maybe the modern equipment promotes more consistency so the best guys almost always win.
Yeah, I think the era is a little weaker. Maybe just mentally, but definitely weaker. Also, they are just simply that great and they are such competitors that they keep one upping eachother. I get it, it should not be happening, but it is and it is amazing to be alive to see it happen.
 
Oh, I agree that Fedr is in great form, no doubt! I just don't want his path to be hard, just for the sake of being hard. I think I will only rate Djokr as a 'slight' favorite (bc of age), and maybe Nadl too (lefty-advantage. Nadl served almost exclusively to Fedr's BH in their RG SF match as further proof.). But Fedr will be about 50-50 ish against them. I'm quite hopeful for WB #9 in a few weeks.
Something tells me the "draw gods" are going to be kind yet again to Nadal at Wimb. This would not matter if Fed paces himself into good form. We shall surely know in a weeks time.
 
No, I wasn't trying to say that, I wasn't even thinking it. It just seems odd that all of a sudden it's so "easy" for the top guys to reel off ridiculous numbers of slams. I'm just wondering what the explanation is. For a long time, I thought it was that all the surfaces played similarly because they've slowed them down, but I don't think that quite makes sense. Maybe it's a weak era...
This has been stressed enough. Lack of depth and lack of variety in skills. No one seems to be doing well in a specific surface consistently to be a threat to the top guys.
 
I actually want Fed to face Rafa in the semis and Novak in the finals. I'm not afraid of anyone.
True , I want that but can't say am not afraid this time.

Federer has the firepower ,he is going for his shots.His baseline game is decent. If he is consistent and doesn't aim at 3rd row with his shots, has good serving days, he is as good a favourite as others.

But 2018 taught me that he can go haywire at any point of the match.
 
So Federer can secure #2 seed by winning Halle?

Federer can secure #2 by reaching Halle SF

The seeding order is determined using the formula: ATP Entry System Position points + 100% points earned for all grass court tournaments in the past 12 months + 75% points earned for the best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that.

For Nadal its fixed now
Nadal = 7945(entry ranking points)+720(grass points of last 12 months)+135(75% of 2017s best grass points)=8800

Federer has 6670 points now but will drop 550 from Stuttgart+Halle last year =6120

So, Federer = 6120(entry ranking points)+910(grass points of last 12 months)+1500(75% of 2017s best grass points) =8530

Since his Halle points will be added in both entry ranking points and grass points of last 12 months his Halle points will be doubled.

Win-500
Final-300
SF-180
QF-90
R16-45

So Federer needs to reach Halle SF( 3 match wins ) he will get 360 points, 8530+360=8980
 
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I keep going back and forth on whrther no.2 or no.3 would be better. I feel like maybe if he lands in novaks half the semis might be easier to defeat him than finals. There is also a small chance he is no.2 and Rafa is no.3 and djokodal kill each other and fed easily defeats the winner. I mean this all hinges on the big 3 making their way through the draw so im making a lot of assumptions and thinking about it too much. I just hope for no Anderson/raonic type losses. I know fed was not a 100% in 2016 but still.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
the lefty-advantage will always be a disadvantage for Fedr,
I'm sorry, I just don't buy this. After 2000, Fed never had issues with any other left-handed player in the game. It's just Nadal-specific. And if indeed he has an issue with solely Nadal's left-handedness, he needed to have solved that puzzle 12 years ago. Lendl had issues with McEnroe and Connors being lefties and he worked his tail off to fix the issue. Consider that Mac had an unbelievable lefty serve which eclipses Nadal's serve by a huge margin, yet his rivals found a way to eventually beat him.

IOW, I don't think Fed has a problem with Rafa's left handedness, he has a problem with Nadal's game in general.
 
I'm sorry, I just don't buy this. After 2000, Fed never had issues with any other left-handed player in the game. It's just Nadal-specific. And if indeed he has an issue with solely Nadal's left-handedness, he needed to have solved that puzzle 12 years ago. Lendl had issues with McEnroe and Connors being lefties and he worked his tail off to fix the issue. Consider that Mac had an unbelievable lefty serve which eclipses Nadal's serve by a huge margin, yet his rivals found a way to eventually beat him.

IOW, I don't think Fed has a problem with Rafa's left handedness, he has a problem with Nadal's game in general.
It is true, even if for the reason that the players don't get to play lefties as often as righties and subsequently are in disadvantage to adjusting to their quirks and patterns. That Federer doesn't have a problem (relatively speaking) with other lefties is more because there are no lefties of that high quality as Nadal, so his overall higher level more than compensates for the "leftiness".

Lendl was taller than Federer, had a bigger wingspan and thus the lefty serve/FH wasn't so uncomfortable to him. He also didn't face the spin that Nadal is able to produce.

:cool:
 
I'm sorry, I just don't buy this. After 2000, Fed never had issues with any other left-handed player in the game. It's just Nadal-specific. And if indeed he has an issue with solely Nadal's left-handedness, he needed to have solved that puzzle 12 years ago. Lendl had issues with McEnroe and Connors being lefties and he worked his tail off to fix the issue. Consider that Mac had an unbelievable lefty serve which eclipses Nadal's serve by a huge margin, yet his rivals found a way to eventually beat him.

IOW, I don't think Fed has a problem with Rafa's left handedness, he has a problem with Nadal's game in general.
I see your point, but you're missing much of my point. Yes, Nadal's game is the most difficult lefty game for Roger, but just look at lefty shots in general. A few days ago, Roger specifically said that playing lefties changes everything, from prep work, to tactics. One has to adjust their game/tactics completely (the righty), while one doens't have to change anything at all (the lefty). That ALONE gives lefties a huge advantage over righties as an opponent. Add to that, playing one of the most difficult lefties out there in Rafa? Yeah, you get the idea. It gets amplified.

Look at it another way.
Playing against lefties, as a righty:
good-to-great IO FH's get neutralized, and are easily returned even from a defensive position from a lefty (Rafa makes a living off of being able to defend/return these difficult shots simply bc he's a lefty, when normally it would be a winner/forced-error or easy putaways for the righty).
decent-to-good CC BH shots will be crushed, when normally it would be in neutral or better.
CC FH from lefty would be much more effective bc it lands into most righties' weaker BH side, but had it been CC FHs from righties instead, it would be neutral for Roger or slight advantage at best bc Roger/righties could easily neutralize it.

Yes, lefties can be beaten. They're simply 'easier' to beat had they been righties is all I'm saying. Against a righty, no patterns need to change, and it's harder to find the righties' BH wing, and even if they 'can' find it, it's not as easy/effective as from a lefty's.

I've always thought lefties has a natural advantage bc there simply are less of them to get used to on tour. You can go weeks without playing one (Shapovalov at one time last year couldn't beat a lefty to save his career, and it lasted for a looong stretch last year. He too couldn't adjust to lefty opponents. And he's a lefty himself! :eek: Am I right @stringertom ?). It's VERY rare to play lefties back-to-back, while playing righties back-to-back is almost an every day occurrence.

But don't take my words for it, take Roger's:

Point#1, 2:49 :

Point#2, 2:01 :
 
Federer can secure #2 by reaching Halle SF

The seeding order is determined using the formula: ATP Entry System Position points + 100% points earned for all grass court tournaments in the past 12 months + 75% points earned for the best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that.

For Nadal its fixed now
Nadal = 7945(entry ranking points)+720(grass points of last 12 months)+135(75% of 2017s best grass points)=8800

Federer has 6670 points now but will drop 550 from Stuttgart+Halle last year =6120

So, Federer = 6120(entry ranking points)+910(grass points of last 12 months)+1500(75% of 2017s best grass points) =8530

Since his Halle points will be added in both entry ranking points and grass points of last 12 months his Halle points will be doubled.

Win-500
Final-300
SF-180
QF-90
R16-45

So Federer needs to reach Halle SF( 3 match wins ) he will get 360 points, 8530+360=8980
This is incorrect. The 910 grass points you give him is correct as of right now. But it won't be as of the seeding date. The 550 points due to last year's Stuttgart and Halle tournaments will drop as those will no longer be in the last 12 months at that time (you've taken those out of the entry ranking ponts, but not out of the last 12 months grass ponts). So the correct calculation is: 8,530 (current total) - 550 (grass points dropping) + (whatever he gets from Halle), or 7,980 + Halle. To pass Rafa he needs to win Halle and gain 1,000 points (500 ATP points and 500 last 12 grass points).
 
I see your point, but you're missing much of my point. Yes, Nadal's game is the most difficult lefty game for Roger, but just look at lefty shots in general. A few days ago, Roger specifically said that playing lefties changes everything, from prep work, to tactics. One has to adjust their game/tactics completely (the righty), while one doens't have to change anything at all (the lefty). That ALONE gives lefties a huge advantage over righties as an opponent. Add to that, playing one of the most difficult lefties out there in Rafa? Yeah, you get the idea. It gets amplified.

Look at it another way.
Playing against lefties, as a righty:
good-to-great IO FH's get neutralized, and are easily returned even from a defensive position from a lefty (Rafa makes a living off of being able to defend/return these difficult shots simply bc he's a lefty, when normally it would be a winner/forced-error or easy putaways for the righty).
decent-to-good CC BH shots will be crushed, when normally it would be in neutral or better.
CC FH from lefty would be much more effective bc it lands into most righties' weaker BH side, but had it been CC FHs from righties instead, it would be neutral for Roger or slight advantage at best bc Roger/righties could easily neutralize it.

Yes, lefties can be beaten. They're simply 'easier' to beat had they been righties is all I'm saying. Against a righty, no patterns need to change, and it's harder to find the righties' BH wing, and even if they 'can' find it, it's not as easy/effective as from a lefty's.

I've always thought lefties has a natural advantage bc there simply are less of them to get used to on tour. You can go weeks without playing one (Shapovalov at one time last year couldn't beat a lefty to save his career, and it lasted for a looong stretch last year. He too couldn't adjust to lefty opponents. And he's a lefty himself! :eek: Am I right @stringertom ?). It's VERY rare to play lefties back-to-back, while playing righties back-to-back is almost an every day occurrence.

But don't take my words for it, take Roger's:

Point#1, 2:49 :

Point#2, 2:01 :
I’m trying to think of an active lefty besides Nadal with a match win vs fedr. I come up with Delbonis but is there anyone else? Melzer is basically retired. fedr is undefeated vs López, Verdasco and Mannarino, the trio he has played most often.
 
I’m trying to think of an active lefty besides Nadal with a match win vs fedr. I come up with Delbonis but is there anyone else? Melzer is basically retired. fedr is undefeated vs López, Verdasco and Mannarino, the trio he has played most often.
I conjured upon your greatness to confirm Shapo's quest to beat lefties last year 8-B.

But you're right about Roger beating most lefties. Outside Rafa, he beats them almost everytime. But that is due to his ridic greatness in tennis-ing, as @Tennis_Hands said above. Rafa is just on another level, but a level that I think would be MUCH easier for Roger to deal with had Rafa been a righty ;).
 
I conjured upon your greatness to confirm Shapo's quest to beat lefties last year 8-B.

But you're right about Roger beating most lefties. Outside Rafa, he beats them almost everytime. But that is due to his ridic greatness in tennis-ing, as @Tennis_Hands said above. Rafa is just on another level, but a level that I think would be MUCH easier for Roger to deal with had Rafa been a righty ;).
Yes, Shapovalov went 0-7 in 2018 vs fellow lefties, all except the Nadal loss in Rome being to underdogs. He has bounced back with a 2-0 record in 2019 vs Klizan in DC and Humbert in Lyon, both on clay BTW (Klizan indoors clay).

That ‘18 skid was particularly disappointing after those two wins vs The Nadal and Mannarino in Montreal’17. No sneaking up on his victims after that run and his six wins to qualify and reach USO 4R.

I think the biggest advantage (pun very much intended) for lefty vs righty is really big points (40-30, 30-40 and the ad in/out points) within games help the sinister siders if they have a spinny slice serve to take the receiver further off the court. For Shapo to attack fellow southpaws more effectively on those points he needs a better kicker down the T to those lefty BHs.
 
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