Lleytonstation
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You should see what he did in Space Jam.
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zagor
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He can't get enough free points from his serve on this ridiculous court. It's hard to see him keep up the intensity from the baseline over 5 sets neccesarry to get past Nadal in the semis (and likely Novak in the final).
There's belief and there's reality. Unless you have a monster serve, Wimbledon is a baseline slugfest now.
TheMaestro1990
Hall of Fame
Jesus christ the centre court is slow...
Otacon
Hall of Fame
I know all of that, but we're talking about Roger. The most talented tennis player ever. He'll figure it out.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
I definitely admire/appreciate the optimism/belief and maybe he can get through rafa if he faces him, but I think novak on this court will be very difficult to beat.
VaporDude95
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TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Nole should not be getting to some of these balls. I know he's quick, but he ain't Superman.
TheMaestro1990
Hall of Fame
What is more likely: The grass has become notably slower or Djokovic has evolved into real life Superman? Nolefam: Djokovic has become Superman.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
GOAT film.You should see what he did in Space Jam.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
100 wins at Wimbledon. 13 Wimbledon semis. Noice.
Lleytonstation
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Otacon
Hall of Fame
Roger cares about the GS record more than everybody else, have faith in the Fed.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
That's truly a nightmare scenario. Luckily, RBA has about a 5% chance against Novak. I think he'll get absolutely obliterated.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
He will get absolutely shagged rotten.
BeatlesFan
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BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Otacon, if Roger somehow gets past Rafa, you actually think he's going to beat Djokovic? I think the odds are slim. Very slim, sadly.
VaporDude95
Banned
This is one where it depends on how Fed comes out of the blocks.
If he comes to play, Rafa will get rattled like he did against Querrey and then Fed will have a chance. If not, well then it’s over.
If he comes to play, Rafa will get rattled like he did against Querrey and then Fed will have a chance. If not, well then it’s over.
Ann
Hall of Fame
I think hope springs eternal. Hell if Agassi stepped on the court tomorrow against Novak, I'd logically know he couldn't win a game but in my heart I'd believe maybe, maybe there's a chance.........
Breakpointerer
Legend
Well we've got the Fedal match, but I'm not feeling very optimistic about it. Can't see him winning unless he finds a magical performance from somewhere.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
The positive thing about today is that Fed really concentrated well. He had no mental lapses at all and seemed unusually focused on every ball. He will need that (and a lot more) on Friday. I just don't see how he suddenly regains a magical topspin BH in 2 days, and he'll need it, since Rafa eats up slice and kicks it back with interest.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
This is what I feel like Fed is trying to accomplish...
Arvind Sridhar
Semi-Pro
So its happening. I for one am more nervous than enthusiastic. Is it too much to ask of a 37 year old to go all the way. I wasn't too optimistic before the AO 2017 final either. But not sure if lightning can strike twice. Add to the fact that the slower courts impede Federer's overall game. Will take a win somehow. Lets see.
Third Serve
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I've tried to be optimistic so far but now I'm feeling nervous. Hope this match doesn't disappoint.
Breakpointerer
Legend
I'm not feeling much more optimistic about this than I felt about the RG SF, even though Fed should have a much better chance here.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Can we go back to clay? Where Roger has nothing to lose and I don't have this giant pit in my stomach.
MeatTornado
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Rafa's playing better and with more confidence than he was at AO 17 too.
MasturB
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Rafa has played tremendously at Wimby the last two years. He held off a GOATing Del Po in the Quarters and just barely lost to Novak in semis.
I think Fed fans should be worried because Rafa is playing well, hasn't lost in almost 2 months. Yes this is Fed's court, but not like Rafa is a slouch on grass lately.
I think Fed fans should be worried because Rafa is playing well, hasn't lost in almost 2 months. Yes this is Fed's court, but not like Rafa is a slouch on grass lately.
Breakpointerer
Legend
Trust me, we're all worried.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
100%
Novak's the dominant player and 4 time Wimby champ. Combined with the 2014-15 losses, Roger is expected to lose that match. But we've been talking a big game for so many years about Rafa avoiding his losses to Fed on grass, that it feels like Roger HAS to capitalize now to back that up. An even H2H on grass does not look good at the end of the day.
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Goating Delpo with no backhand? 2012/2013 was goating Delpo on grass, but not the one from last year.
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Ann
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Oh will you guys stop listening to the 12 year old trolls out 'there'.
H2H means less than $hite.
Federer's legendary status is ALREADY SET IN CONCRETE, nothing that happens tomorrow, the next day or the next 5 years is going to change that.
You're FedFans, you're not permitted to act like the know-nothings that inhabit the rest of the board.
JESUS a 104 year old man just made the SF of Wimbledon, this alone adds another piece to the legend of Federer. Win or Lose the man IS A LEGEND.
Im(moral) Winner
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Lost to Ferrer, lol
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And pushed Federer to the limits at the Olympics and beat Novak lol
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
He was well rested unlike the two
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Deleted member 765728
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Are you serious? He played a marathon against Federer and beat Novak after.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
I meant the overall season up till that point. Delpo hadn't done much while Fed and Novak went deep in almost every tournament and won titles.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
At least big Sam is picking Roger to win Wimbledon!
ghostofMecir
Legend
At least big Sam is picking Roger to win Wimbledon!
Federer was a betting favorite over Nadal before the tournament, but Nadal has opened up a slight favorite before this match. The age difference (a 38 year old shouldnt even be in back to back SFs let alone a favorite in one), the RG match (though it wasn’t that bad considering conditions and how well the BH held up),
how well Nadal is serving and returning, and how slow Centre Court is playing all add up to why Nadal’s being favored. It will be interesting to see how the line moves, but I’m thinking Nadal will become a more solid favorite before the match.
Nadal is playing with ultra confidence right now, serving really well and returning well with the BH, typically a weakness, especially on grass. Centre Court is playing the slowest I’ve ever seen it, so looks like easy points on serve will be a problem. Federer has defended his serve extremely well, but he’s not getting as many free points as he’s used to. Nishikori is a good returner, but he had difficulty against the other players as well relative to what he usually gets.
It’s going to be really, really, really tough for Federer to win this. It’s beyond asinine that he gets “punished” in these GOAT narratives for being good enough to get to back to back SFs while Nadal spent 2012-2017 losing to everyone at Wimbledon.
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MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
His legendary status is in concrete. But his GOAT status is not. Let's not pretend otherwise.
Oh will you guys stop listening to the 12 year old trolls out 'there'.
H2H means less than $hite.
Federer's legendary status is ALREADY SET IN CONCRETE, nothing that happens tomorrow, the next day or the next 5 years is going to change that.
You're FedFans, you're not permitted to act like the know-nothings that inhabit the rest of the board.
JESUS a 104 year old man just made the SF of Wimbledon, this alone adds another piece to the legend of Federer. Win or Lose the man IS A LEGEND.
The same things were said years ago. But imagine if he retired after his 2016 injury with 17 slams. Rafa would've already gone on to pass him in the slam count, become world #1 at an older age and set a host of new records, leaving Fed in the dust. 2017-18 proved that he needs to stay vigilant and keep adding to his own resume or he'll be surpassed. Novak wouldn't be far behind and there's a good chance Federer would go on to be an afterthought of this era, no matter how much we love him. His legacy would be irrevocably altered for the worse.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
I agree with everything you said. And for those H2H nuts out there, they never bother to explain Nadal simply wasn't good enough on HC to meet Fed in countless majors at the USO and AO since 2005. When Fed showed up in those major finals (except AO 2009), Nadal wasn't good enough to be in the final. he was either "injured" or lost in earlier rounds. While Roger made 5 FO finals, thus skewing the H2H even more. He was great enough to meet Nadal in endless clay finals, Nadal was not good enough to meet Fed in major finals on HC's most of the time.
If Fed plays until he's 42, he will almost certainly lose 90%+ of the matches he will ever play again against either Nole or Rafa because of the age differential. Which happens to be another reason H2H's are meaningless.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
When Rafa won today my first thoughts were...
And my reaction was not positive at all. But as a Fed fan I have accepted his age and that he is not playing at the same level he was even a year and a half ago.
I see this turning out like AO17 but without the 5th set comeback due to his age, Rafa's current level, the slower court than AO.
Feds level fluctuates too much these days. However, if he loses I am okay with it... maybe not okay, but let's be honest. Fed has provided us with so much joy, anything from here only helps his legacy and can not hurt it.
With this in mind...
Okay, maybe that's just me and my FBPD which will be at peak come Friday.
And my reaction was not positive at all. But as a Fed fan I have accepted his age and that he is not playing at the same level he was even a year and a half ago.
I see this turning out like AO17 but without the 5th set comeback due to his age, Rafa's current level, the slower court than AO.
Feds level fluctuates too much these days. However, if he loses I am okay with it... maybe not okay, but let's be honest. Fed has provided us with so much joy, anything from here only helps his legacy and can not hurt it.
With this in mind...
Okay, maybe that's just me and my FBPD which will be at peak come Friday.
Lleytonstation
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Yep, those h2h psychos, they are weird.
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