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Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
This was a gutting loss, but damn if Federer didn't show the heart of a true champion. He definitely didn't bring his A - game to this final (probably couldn't quite recover from the semi), and still took it to match points.

I think the thing that bothers me the most is that he won every relevant statistical category and still lost the match. But honestly I feel like he's never fought harder. We will see what happens from here, but for me that only solidifies his position in tennis. Fighting THAT hard, and getting THAT close against a fellow all time great who has been playing much better for the last 12 months... fantastic.
 

Breakpointerer

Hall of Fame
LOL, gotta love VBers spamming "Fed's legacy destroyed" threads in the general pro. Worst fanbase in tennis by the virtue of a good portion of them being much more about hating one specific player than anything else.
Lol. They've got no right to trash Federer like that when he was the one to blow their guy away on Friday. They're still hurt over that, along with the "roofgate" thing from last year.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
late so maybe this was discussed but how did you guys feel about how fed approached novak compared to say USO 2015 or even the other wimbledon losses? i think this one stings a bit because idk if novak was amazing like he maybe was in 2015, he was just mad clutch when it mattered and unfortunately tennis is decided like that by a few points. Not taking away from him but what i did like was he seemed to stick to that aggressive plan well from what I saw since i turned off teh match multiple times and said **** this ****.

for those who are much more savvy from a tech tennis perspective, regarding fed's fh is it just to the point that not much can be done about it?
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
He definitely didn't bring his A - game to this final (probably couldn't quite recover from the semi), and still took it to match points.
I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent. That's what makes digesting this loss easier. He played at his top possible level and was simply outplayed. It's not like the weak chokes at AO 2009 final or choking against Del Po the last two sets in '09. He brought his A game from first to last.
 

Breakpointerer

Hall of Fame
I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent. That's what makes digesting this loss easier. He played at his top possible level and was simply outplayed. It's not like the weak chokes at AO 2009 final or choking against Del Po the last two sets in '09. He brought his A game from first to last.
Don't think he was outplayed, just not clutch enough in TBs.
Also I don't think the blown MPs were choking, just good plays by Novak in important moments.
 

fedfan08

Semi-Pro
I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent. That's what makes digesting this loss easier. He played at his top possible level and was simply outplayed. It's not like the weak chokes at AO 2009 final or choking against Del Po the last two sets in '09. He brought his A game from first to last.
Sorry have to disagree. While I think he played very well I don’t think he was outplayed. The stats don’t show that. He just was crap in the tie breaks for some inexplicable reason. Also his FH was quite tentative which allowed Djokovic to stay in points. Another stat: in the 2009 final I think Federer had 50 aces. In this match he had 25. Of course one could argue Djokovic is a better returner than Roddick and that’s why but I would argue Federer didn’t have his best serving day and there were stretches when he couldn’t buy a first serve. I don’t think he had one ace in any of the tie breaks. Djokovic knows he got lucky winning this match. His luck in this tournament was drawing Anderson in his half instead of Nadal. I suspect he will dominate the hard court summer swing. I don’t see who can challenge him. Especially on the very slow AA stadium.
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
This was a gutting loss, but damn if Federer didn't show the heart of a true champion. He definitely didn't bring his A - game to this final (probably couldn't quite recover from the semi), and still took it to match points.

I think the thing that bothers me the most is that he won every relevant statistical category and still lost the match. But honestly I feel like he's never fought harder. We will see what happens from here, but for me that only solidifies his position in tennis. Fighting THAT hard, and getting THAT close against a fellow all time great who has been playing much better for the last 12 months... fantastic.
Agree, reputation enhanced after this tournament. There might well have been kids watching the Wimbledon final for the first time who are thinking...I wanna hit the ball like that guy! Pleased that he was able to bring that kind of level after the Nadal match.
 

Zeref

Professional
Onto the next tournament, I m still gutted but I am coping up with this loss. It helps that there are 2 weeks off till the next M1000 Montreal where RF isn't even playing. So I m not going to be emotionally invested. This final already took out a lot. Would casually monitor Shapo, Felix and Tsitsipas. I hope Federer overcomes all the physical and mental exhaustion from this event and wins Cincy without any lapses in form.

I've stayed off the board because if I see any jackass say that I'll probably have a comment that will get me banned.
I went on an ignore spree for the first time. Any one who disrespects RF after this battle at 38 isn't worth my millisecond.
 
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jklos

Professional
Exactly. The number of UE, especially from his FH creeped up at the tail end of that match. Either loopier, or not enough on the slices. People say how Federer could have played more, but really, one has to be a more careful observant to see that Federer's game was slowly deteriorating (it would have been abnormal if it didn't).

:cool:
Novak looked gassed too.
 

jklos

Professional
His forehand errors are the key that he'd given it a lot in his Nadal match. He made 52 forehand errors vs Djokovic and, notably, three in the first set tie-break alone which probably cost him the breaker. That many errors for just 18 forehand winners - an almost 3:1 ratio is unacceptable (vs the Nadal match where the ratio was closer to 1:1). Those loopier forehands which kept landing short and giving DJokovic what he liked were the result of Fed trying to find his range and not finding a rhythm like he usually would in 19 out of 20 matches eventually.

Djokovic just played Federer to his backhand until he could hit a safe ball to Fed's forehand and time after time Fed just fed the ball into the net. Completely unlike the Nadal match. And Fed knew this which is why he was slicing crosscourt so much - to make it harder for Djokovic to get up and over the net with an inside-in forehand. And it worked too - he basically did variation of a Gilles Simon on Djokovic, denying him pace and height on his forehand. It almost worked too, esp on a court that was so hard to hit through.
Most definitely, not a single doubt. He fought like a lion, almost always from behind all match. My blood boils when I see “choke”, “pathetic”, “mental mug”
Totally. If the ball lands a few feet to the right on MP #2 he's the champion. Sometimes the ball goes the other way. tough luck.
 

jklos

Professional
I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent. That's what makes digesting this loss easier. He played at his top possible level and was simply outplayed. It's not like the weak chokes at AO 2009 final or choking against Del Po the last two sets in '09. He brought his A game from first to last.
I don't think he was outplayed. Just got unlucky on those match points. Didn't hit his spots.
 

NastyWinners

Professional
Good lord. I think it's a pretty good consensus he didn't play his best in that final, neither did Novak.

Roger's ground strokes were tentative for a good portion of the match, there just didn't seem to be the normal sting to hit shots. Was it the SF that sapped him of some leg drive or was it a tactic to not give pace to Novak?

What is true that no one can debate is that Roger tried his damnedest to win that title.
 

jz000

Rookie
If Fed can win another GS after this incident, then it truly shows that he is the GOAT.

For most players, I bet this would scar them, and they will never be able to come back.
More so for Federer, since he doesn't have much time left. It's easier for him to just say "I've accomplished enough", and walk away.
That's what Djokovic wants.

It just depends on Federer's desire to keep playing. Clearly, his body can still take it for a 5 hour match.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
If Fed can win another GS after this incident, then it truly shows that he is the GOAT.

For most players, I bet this would scar them, and they will never be able to come back.
More so for Federer, since he doesn't have much time left. It's easier for him to just say "I've accomplished enough", and walk away.
That's what Djokovic wants.

It just depends on Federer's desire to keep playing. Clearly, his body can still take it for a 5 hour match.
i mean i know we've been saying it since 2014 but this really did feel like his last chance. its not like he has to win another one before he retires, even if he does at 20 he will still be one heck of a player and none of this 3rd wheel bs I'm seeing in the general forum but damn if these close losses followed by trolls don't make me want 1-2 more slams just to shut people up and also keep that distance. It just sucks because fed is more likely to lose in the earlier rounds and people will think its changing of the guard but then djokodal get to the finals and we are back to square one.
 

Zeref

Professional
Good lord. I think it's a pretty good consensus he didn't play his best in that final, neither did Novak.

Roger's ground strokes were tentative for a good portion of the match, there just didn't seem to be the normal sting to hit shots. Was it the SF that sapped him of some leg drive or was it a tactic to not give pace to Novak?

What is true that no one can debate is that Roger tried his damnedest to win that title.
Overall I was happy with his game.

But even though he won more points, there were 2 concerns that I bet everyone noticed -

Forehand - He was hitting decent rally balls but also very tentative half the time . Certainly cost him big points. When he was loose, he was hitting some awesome winners with it down the line but on Break points and tie breakers he just couldn't go for the kill, his balls weren't landing in.

Backhand return - His Backhand drive return has improved a lot, back to 2017 levels I would say. What I didn't agree to was the strategy of slicing BH returns, I mean that's a good ball to feed Djokovic but against this Guy Fed needed to take his chances and get that BH drive deep and fast to Djokovic when he hasn't recovered from his service motion, something Djokovic has always done. I think Federer is able to do that to Djokovic.

Strategically I felt Fed was doing everything right except this. Also Fed gets a little passive when he is slicing backhand returns. He started driving returns when his back was against the wall especially set 4, did again in set 5 when he was tired and had no option left, fetched him BPs.

Drive BH return to Nole and then mixing up Slice and Topspin BHs is what he should test at CINCY if they meet. It would fetch him a more quick points and would be massive at BPs.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
The only question I would have for Fed is, “why did you not try to go with Ace down the T for the 2 championship points. At least the first one. Worst case it was a DF. And you could have taken all the time you wanted to set it up. Why the hurry?”
 
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NastyWinners

Professional
Overall I was happy with his game.

But even though he won more points, there were 2 concerns that I bet everyone noticed -

Forehand - He was hitting decent rally balls but also very tentative half the time . Certainly cost him big points. When he was loose, he was hitting some awesome winners with it down the line but on Break points and tie breakers he just couldn't go for the kill, his balls weren't landing in.

Backhand return - His Backhand drive return has improved a lot, back to 2017 levels I would say. What I didn't agree to was the strategy of slicing BH returns, I mean that's a good ball to feed Djokovic but against this Guy Fed needed to take his chances and get that BH drive deep and fast to Djokovic when he hasn't recovered from his service motion, something Djokovic has always done. I think Federer is able to do that to Djokovic.

Strategically I felt Fed was doing everything right except this. Also Fed gets a little passive when he is slicing backhand returns. He started driving returns when his back was against the wall especially set 4, did again in set 5 when he was tired and had no option left, fetched him BPs.

Drive BH return to Nole and then mixing up Slice and Topspin BHs is what he should test at CINCY if they meet. It would fetch him a more quick points and would be massive at BPs.
I agree with those two points. The other issue was that the backhand slice was becoming predictable and wasn't skidding as much.
 

Rogfan

Semi-Pro
It was always a tall order when he drew Nadal in his half. If anyone told me before the tournament he’d be one pt away from the championship and beating Nadal and Djoker back to back, I’d take it. So much was determined by luck already. But our champ defies all his critics and haters by coming so far and so close, who are us to point finger?

You know what i secretly hope and want to see? Roger will repeat his feat against Nadal on Djoker in the last couple of years in his career- going on a winning streak against him and take redemption. If anyone thinks this loss will break Roger so much that he can’t come back and win anything anymore, they don’t know Roger Federer at all.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Hi guys... Like many of you, I'm absolutely heartbroken after yesterday's match. Before the match I planned on doing highlights of it, but it left me with such a bad taste I don't even wanna touch it. I don't wanna see it, I don't wanna feel it. I don't want to have anything to do with it. The memories are bad enough. So I decided to upload this video instead, an old tribute of mine that I did after the final losses in 2014 and 2015. It's a video about that when you try your best and you don't succeed, there can still be light in the end of the tunnel: "Lights will guide you home And ignite your bones And I will try to fix you" We're proud of you Roger, we'll never stop believing and supporting you. Hold your head up high!

I want you to know that many of us appreciate your work. Cheers with a little Bob Dylan song written about the hope in the future sang by the wonderful Audra Mae:


:cool:
 

Ann

Hall of Fame
Hi guys... Like many of you, I'm absolutely heartbroken after yesterday's match. Before the match I planned on doing highlights of it, but it left me with such a bad taste I don't even wanna touch it. I don't wanna see it, I don't wanna feel it. I don't want to have anything to do with it. The memories are bad enough. So I decided to upload this video instead, an old tribute of mine that I did after the final losses in 2014 and 2015. It's a video about that when you try your best and you don't succeed, there can still be light in the end of the tunnel: "Lights will guide you home And ignite your bones And I will try to fix you" We're proud of you Roger, we'll never stop believing and supporting you. Hold your head up high!

In time the hurt feels will subside and everyone will come to appreciate Sunday's Wimbledon for the masterpiece that it was and for the herculean effort from the GOAT Maestro that he put out there.
 

Ann

Hall of Fame
I agree with you here, and this must be why I am coping with this loss (albeit a devastating one), pretty well. Once the draw was announced, I wanted Roger to beat Rafa. Once he did that, the expectations were met for me. I never expected him to beat Djoker in the final and thought he'd lose in four sets. Djokovic isn't an immediate thread to get near Roger's 20 slams, Rafa is and he took care of business on that end at least.
I'm ignoring most posts on here but reading through yours have made me happy. You have the best attitude about this match and I agree with nearly everything you've said post-game.
 

Ann

Hall of Fame
Hey all if you made a post-game comment in Fed news that doesn't suck, point me to it. I simply can't read some of the B.S. his "fans" have written on here. I really appreciate hearing wise w
I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent. That's what makes digesting this loss easier. He played at his top possible level and was simply outplayed. It's not like the weak chokes at AO 2009 final or choking against Del Po the last two sets in '09. He brought his A game from first to last.
I know you've taken crap because of this post from some whiners and it's a shame because it's true and was written so eloquently. He gave it everything he had, I was proud of him.
 
I'm ignoring most posts on here but reading through yours have made me happy. You have the best attitude about this match and I agree with nearly everything you've said post-game.
Why do you even come here.

If you're just ignoring everyone and complaining all the time... perhaps it's not the place for you? :unsure:
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Imagine how Sev and ljubicic are feeling...
I would imagine fairly good in some respects. Their game plan was a better than Djokovic's one which required an entire company of people doing stats analysis and coming up with game plans. The only reason Federer lost is because he hit his forehand so atrociously for 90% of the match.

Djokovic wont believe his lucky stars over this. He won two of the tie breaks basically by hitting the ball to Federer's forehand - a move which would pretty much ensure a player loses in 98 out of 100 matches.
 
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icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
I would imagine fairly good in some respects. Their game plan was a better than Djokovic's one which required an entire company of people doing stats analysis and coming up with game plans. The only reason Federer lost is because he hit his forehand so atrociously for 90% of the match.

Djokovic wont believe his lucky starts over this. He won two of the tie breaks basically by hitting the ball to Federer's forehand - a move which would pretty much ensure a player loses in 98 out of 100 matches.
the fact that fed still played so well without his forehand is quite amazing. idk what this means for the hardcourt season. the main reason he played clay, or well one of the main reasons, was for the US hardcourt season.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent.
Well you weren't watching very close because his forehand was atrocious for almost the entire match. He made three times as many forehand errors as he hit winners. Compared to the Nadal match where the numbers were about 1 for 1.

In the first set tie-break alone he made two routine forehand errors off rally balls and then another off a usually safe shot. Djokovic couldn't believe his luck - all he needed to do in tight moments was play backhand-backhand until he was tired and then hit it to Fed's forehand and get a free error.

To say Fed played magnificent off the ground shows you either didn't watch the whole match or you really don't know squat about tennis.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
the fact that fed still played so well without his forehand is quite amazing. idk what this means for the hardcourt season. the main reason he played clay, or well one of the main reasons, was for the US hardcourt season.
Exactly. As I've said elsewhere, the game-plan that Fed/Fed's team came up with was as good as I've seen vs Djokovic. If Fed hadn't made so many forehand errors of bog-standard rally balls this would have been a very different match. His serve made it look closer than it should have been given the error rate.

Djokovic will go away from this knowing that now dozens of other players have now seen a workable, straight-forward game plan.
 

Ann

Hall of Fame
To say Fed played magnificent off the ground shows you either didn't watch the whole match or you really don't know squat about tennis.
Why oh Why do you people have to post crap like this because you disagree with her opinion. @BeatlesFan and I don't always see eye to eye but Roger doesn't have a bigger fan than her and she's an encyclopedia of tennis knowledge.

Show her some respect, she deserves it.
 
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