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Ann

Hall of Fame
some people deal with fed losses differently if people want to be critical let them. i find it easier to dissect/see what happened because in my mind if he gave it all and played his absolute best with zero errors, and still lost...idek how to handle that.
He's days away from turning 38 years old, he's never going to get any better and it's all downhill from here. I'm sorry to be so blunt but it's the truth. This may very well be the last time he ever makes it to the final of a GS. I've been through this for a long time with many greats, never thought I'd get over McEnroe, Conners, Evert, Nastase, Agassi, Goolagong, Navratilova … but I got over every one of them, without too much angst - even when I was just a kid for a couple of them. I know I'll get over Federer being mortal too. Federer may be the last for me, I seriously can't see myself ever getting too wrapped up in Tsitsipas or Shapovalov and Kyrgios is good entertainment but I wouldn't say I'm a fan.

And be as critical as you want, just don't expect silence in return.
 

Ann

Hall of Fame
I'll tell you why. Because her claim was completely in contrast to what happened in this match. So, to be charitable I asked - in an obtuse way I admit - whether she had actually watched the match (a fair call since most people who comment do so based on watching highlights packages only). If she had then her comments show she was watching the match but not seeing what was going on since it was blatantly obvious Federer was having a truly horrible day with his forehand most of the time. He knew it and Djokovic knew it - hence the endless jousting with backhand-to-backhand as Federer tried to keep the ball low and short. As soon as he hit over it he one of two things happened: he hit it well and got on top of the rally, or he miscued it slightly and gave Djokovic a shoulder height ball he could hit anywhere (which time and time again he hit to Fed's forehand).
I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with her OPINION which is all she gave and all YOU gave but it's the way you did it. You don't know more about tennis than she does, so stop believing/pretending you do.

Everyone just needs to calm down. No one died here.

This is getting embarrassing.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with her OPINION which is all she gave and all YOU gave but it's the way you did it..
Noted.
You don't know more about tennis than she does, so stop believing/pretending you do.
I clearly do. Not that it's a competition but there's no doubt at all about that detail based on comments posted across a long period of time.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
I've been doing my best to not even think about it the past 24 hours, but I think I'm feeling a little bit better now.

Frustrated as I am with those match points, I've eased up a little bit after fuming about how badly he choked. Novak played perfectly in both of them. It's not like Fed double-faulted or shanked a ball. Those would've been undeniable chokes. If anything, I'm actually more frustrated at how quickly he got broken after missing those two points. He should've reset and created another for himself. After all, it was on his serve, and 99% of the day his service games were imperious.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
He's days away from turning 38 years old, he's never going to get any better and it's all downhill from here. I'm sorry to be so blunt but it's the truth. This may very well be the last time he ever makes it to the final of a GS. I've been through this for a long time with many greats, never thought I'd get over McEnroe, Conners, Evert, Nastase, Agassi, Goolagong, Navratilova … but I got over every one of them, without too much angst - even when I was just a kid for a couple of them. I know I'll get over Federer being mortal too. Federer may be the last for me, I seriously can't see myself ever getting too wrapped up in Tsitsipas or Shapovalov and Kyrgios is good entertainment but I wouldn't say I'm a fan.

And be as critical as you want, just don't expect silence in return.

who said anything about expecting silence, people can disagree its fine, i just dont enjoy this policiing of how fans express how they deal with a loss but w/e.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.

AceSalvo

Legend
After all, it was on his serve, and 99% of the day his service games were imperious.

That's the only small thing that keeps bothering me. If it was CP's on the opponents serve, it wouldn't bother me as much.

In any case, Fed almost stole the match. Folks need to think about that a lot before getting worked up about the CP's.
 
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icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
That's the only small thing that keeps bothering me. If it was CP's on the opponents serve, it wouldn't bother me as much.

In any case, Fed almost stole the match. Folks need to think about that a lot before getting worked up about the CP points.

i really thought we'd pull of another Ao 2017 tbh when he broke and then was serving it out, heck he struggled with his serve from the get go in that one immediately going down before managing to hold serve where as here he had cps rather quickly. oh well
 

AceSalvo

Legend
i really thought we'd pull of another Ao 2017 tbh when he broke and then was serving it out, heck he struggled with his serve from the get go in that one immediately going down before managing to hold serve where as here he had cps rather quickly. oh well

Case in point here is Djoko was doing superb outside-clay. For AO17, Nadal was not. I could argue that had Nadal been in a similar form like current Djoko, then AO17 win might not have happened at all. So there's that.

Fed winning Wimb19 was a non-starter after spending a lot on Nadal. Fed stole a nail-biter from Roddick. So it kind of evens out.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
will be curious to see how the the upcoming hc season plays out and the warm up tournaments, fed in general recovers well from slam losses, hopefully he can go deep at the USO, with a decent draw. will be looking to see how it plays this year

We should look beyond the loss yesterday. Yes, it sucks, but an important takeaway is that Fedr was better than the world#1 yesterday. That's huge. Titles are important, but it's not everything since nobody wins all the time. I think Fedr makes at least the finals at Cinci19 and at least SF at USO19. If we just look at players' forms throughout the this year, and especially the last 3 weeks, Fedr is at least top2. That's a good thing! :)
 

AceSalvo

Legend
I think Fedr makes at least the finals at Cinci19 and at least SF at USO19.

If Fed has no extra baggage (Wimb19 loss) and makes the USO19 SF thats half the battle won. If Nadal/Djoko are in the same half and both don't make it to the SF, guess what. :giggle: Rinse and repeat for AO20, Wimb20 and USO20. As long as he is top 3 and the Next Gen fails, Fed definitely has a shot.
 
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Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
At Disney World for the first time and went to a Uniqlo store today. You would have no clue Tennis or Fed had anything to do with the brand. I asked an employee is they ever got Fed stuff and he asked who that was? I responded he was the guy that had 2 match points...

But seriously, why is Uniqlo not advertising in the states for this, even just a bit. I also noticed none of their clothing had any Uniqlo symbols, everything was plain. It was weird.
 

Pandora Mikado

Semi-Pro
Going back to something to which I was alluding earlier, I have trouble seeing how one could not sustain a form of PTSD from something like this.

Despite having suffered tough defeats previously.

This was just at another level.
I don’t want to come off the wrong way, it’s not personally directed to you or anyone else, I am talking collectively to your good question:

My guess is that is why these people and the few like them in their sectors and fields are champions and the normal/average person [like you and I] are not.

Every Federer, Djokovic, Nadal, Jordan, Brady, Bird, Jobs’, celebrated musician and artist knows how to handle lows better than us normal people do. It’s more than pure skill that motivates these kinds of people.

I’m not a Federer fan generally speaking but what he did this Wimbledon and this season and in his long career is nothing short of outstanding. Remember, only Federer is held to such a high standard. Nadal and Djokovic and everyone else get much more leeway for their losses.

He’ll probably feel bummed for a bit, look at his kids and tell himself he just took out Nadal and came within a hairsbreath of defeating Djokovic. He’s more than got what it takes to still win big titles. That’s how these people roll.

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Take care Federer fans.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
Going back to something to which I was alluding earlier, I have trouble seeing how one could not sustain a form of PTSD from something like this.

Despite having suffered tough defeats previously.

This was just at another level.

I just read on another thread that Fed has lost 21 matches after holding MPs.
Over the past few years, he has made a habit out of blowing MPs . Then he progressed to blowing MPs in slams (Anderson last year) and also blowing CPs in a tournament (Delpo at IW last year).
It was bound to happen sooner or later that he would fail to serve out and blow CPs at a slam...

A lot of people say it is age related but I disagree. If anything, you should become mentally stronger and hold your nerves better with age even if you physically decline and what happened at 40-15 CP had nothing to do with physical decline.

I think he should have addressed the problem early on, used mindfulness or meditation or whatever works for him to stay in the moment and focus on the next ball instead of thinking ahead or making wrong decisions or freezing because of nerves. Too late now and it is a missed opportunity but it beats me how no one in his team so far thought of a way to address or improve this glaring issue.
 
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Rogfan

Professional
I'll tell you why. Because her claim was completely in contrast to what happened in this match. So, to be charitable I asked - in an obtuse way I admit - whether she had actually watched the match (a fair call since most people who comment do so based on watching highlights packages only). If she had then her comments show she was watching the match but not seeing what was going on since it was blatantly obvious Federer was having a truly horrible day with his forehand most of the time. He knew it and Djokovic knew it - hence the endless jousting with backhand-to-backhand as Federer tried to keep the ball low and short. As soon as he hit over it he one of two things happened: he hit it well and got on top of the rally, or he miscued it slightly and gave Djokovic a shoulder height ball he could hit anywhere (which time and time again he hit to Fed's forehand).

I don’t normally join in people’s argument but I thought I might just make a comment here. Everybody is free to share and agree/disagree with people’s opinions here but when we do, please be gentle. I mean instead of saying whoever thought Fed play great in the match either didn’t watch or doesn’t know anything about tennis, which is really harsh, you could have easily said I disagree because I saw many fh errors from him. It really isn’t that hard.

By the way I thought his fh wasn’t that bad either. I can’t find the stat on fh winners but out of total winners of 94 surely that would have been at least 20 from the fh? Maybe the fh did let him down in the big points but I thought it won a lot of the points too which set up those big points.
 

Rogfan

Professional
I just read on another thread that Fed has lost 21 matches after holding MPs.
Over the past few years, he has made a habit out of blowing MPs . Then he progressed to blowing MPs in slams (Anderson last year) and also blowing CPs in a tournament (Delpo at IW last year).
It was bound to happen sooner or later that he would fail to serve out and blow CPs at a slam...

A lot of people say it is age related but I disagree. If anything, you should become mentally stronger and hold your nerves better with age even if you physically decline and what happened at 40-15 CP had nothing to do with physical decline.

I think he should have addressed the problem early on, used mindfulness or meditation or whatever works for him to stay in the moment and focus on the next ball instead of thinking ahead or making wrong decisions or freezing because of nerves. Too late now and it is a missed opportunity but it beats me how no one in his team so far thought of a way to address or improve this glaring issue.

How does he compare to other ATGs in terms of MPs not converted? What about MPs saved and how does he stand amongst others in this department? It’s hard to comment without putting it into context. I thought those two CPs were mental too. I looked at his face when he had those two points and he looked absolutely like nothing, not a single sight of positive emotions, maybe even looked a bit concerned to me. Maybe at that point even himself didn’t believe he was about to win #9, #21 by beating Nadal and Djoker back to back. Maybe the occasion got to him, even the ever greatest. Only himself and his team can unpack that moment for him and find out what went wrong. Yeah definitely should have some mindfulness stuff if he isn’t doing it already.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
By the way I thought his fh wasn’t that bad either. I can’t find the stat on fh winners but out of total winners of 94 surely that would have been at least 20 from the fh? Maybe the fh did let him down in the big points but I thought it won a lot of the points too which set up those big points.
It was very sub-par. 52 errors to 20 winners. All day he set himself up to lose points by hitting sub-par forehands during long rallies. He also had little success with his inside-out forehand which is a truly rare occurrence for Fed. And it wasn't down to Djokovic's speed - he was hitting them poorly. It was amazing that on a rare day his forehand didn't come right he contrasted it with an amazing display of backhand hitting/variety. That and his excellent serving were what kept him competitive most of the time.

As far as big points go you're right. He came up short in the 1st and 5th set tie breaks in particular with multiple straight-forward errors. As I said in an earlier post, Djokovic will be thanking his lucky stars at how poorly Fed hit his forehand in the crunch periods of the match.
 
I have no doubt that the Nadal semi took out of him a lot (moreso mentally than physically), so he was not as sharp in the final. People underestimate what a match he played against Nadal, and the fact that Federer actually had a pretty difficult draw all things considered. That he managed to drag it to five and was losing focus in important moment is both amazing and not very surprising (respectively). I have no doubt that Djokovic wouldn't have been able to sustain that sort of focus on the big points, if he was to play Nadal in the SF and Federer in the final.

:cool:
These types of draw scenarios vs Djokovic happen almost always at slams before they've played each other.
 

NastyWinners

Hall of Fame
It was very sub-par. 52 errors to 20 winners. All day he set himself up to lose points by hitting sub-par forehands during long rallies. He also had little success with his inside-out forehand which is a truly rare occurrence for Fed. And it wasn't down to Djokovic's speed - he was hitting them poorly. It was amazing that on a rare day his forehand didn't come right he contrasted it with an amazing display of backhand hitting/variety. That and his excellent serving were what kept him competitive most of the time.

As far as big points go you're right. He came up short in the 1st and 5th set tie breaks in particular with multiple straight-forward errors. As I said in an earlier post, Djokovic will be thanking his lucky stars at how poorly Fed hit his forehand in the crunch periods of the match.

I think tennis abstract charted the match, they will have the best data on the errors/winners from each side and portion of the court. I'll edit once I find it.

But from watching the match half his winners seemed to be clean aces or volley winners.

Edit: http://www.tennisabstract.com/charting/20190714-M-Wimbledon-F-Roger_Federer-Novak_Djokovic.html
 
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AceSalvo

Legend
The only thing going against Fed as far Slam Count goes is the # of chances left. I think he plays until 40. Maybe retires at Basel 2021. So that’s 9 slams. Not bad at all.

However, if Fed doesn’t get any movement on the slam count, 2014 2015 2019 missed chances are going to rear its head.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
However, if Fed doesn’t get any movement on the slam count, 2014 2015 2019 missed chances are going to rear its head.

For me, the worst three blown chances in slams for Roger are:

1. 2009 USO (no excuse losing to Del Po in his first and only slam final)
2. 2019 Wimbledon
3. 2009 AO (worst performance in a major final, so passive and nervous)

I guess we Fed fans can look to the bright side and name some slams he possibly "should" have lost: 2009 Wimbledon, 2017 AO.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
For me, the worst three blown chances in slams for Roger are:

1. 2009 USO (no excuse losing to Del Po in his first and only slam final)
2. 2019 Wimbledon
3. 2009 AO (worst performance in a major final, so passive and nervous)

I guess we Fed fans can look to the bright side and name some slams he possibly "should" have lost: 2009 Wimbledon, 2017 AO.

Our guy should have been the runaway winner as far as slam count goes. Very unlucky that he got 2 powerful ATG’s 5 yrs younger across all surfaces for more than a decade. Those two have had nothing remotely close to fear. And will not for the next 5 years.

After all things said and done, even if Fed does not retain the Slam count position, we all know he gave it his all. On that basis, I don’t think I will ever be disappointed on losing the slam count record.
 

xFedal

Legend
I see it different. Federer doesn't need anything anytime soon. Everything since about 2014 has been gravy on a GOAT career. Every loss to the guys 5 years younger who are still in their prime means nothing since what he's doing now is so unexpected. But every special win - even if it's not a final, such as the Nadal semifinal - is one more stone cementing him as the GOAT.

At the 2012 Wimbledon he beat the best two players on tour (Djokovic then Murray)... and most considered it his last hurrah. 2017 Aussie Open he became the first player to beat 4 top 10 players at a majors in 35 years (Matts Wilander '82 French Open). It would have been 5 if Murray wasn't such a mug in losing to M Zverev.

To win the 2017 AO doing the above, and to then back it up winning Wimbledon and then the Aussie Open again in 2018 is just some fantasy stuff which blurs what should be a clear twilight period for any athlete in such a physically demanding sport. So, to beat Nadal here and shut a whole lot of people up, and then lose deep in the 5th to the clear best player of the last 5 years is no great disappointment to me at all. Nor a surprise. In fact, him getting past Nadal was bigger GOAT-related significance to me that him having lost in the final.
You seem to be knowledgeable regarding special draws.. Wilanders at French Open 82 was special.... Feds AO17 and WIMBY 12 was special..... Wawrinkas A014 and FO15 was special......Del Potro 2009 USO...... Djokovic 2011 USO .......are there anymore ?
 
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powerangle

Legend
For all the great Fed fans: I am sad that there had to be a loser from Sunday's epic Wimby final. Even though I was elated with Novak's win, I myself like Roger a lot too and it was disappointing to see him come up short again. Against anyone else, I would have rooted for a Roger win. Even upon turning 38, Roger is still one of the top two or three players in the world and he played really, really well (save a couple brainfarts during the most important moments) in the final. Hang on tight, I still believe he has another major(s) in him, especially if he continues to play at such a high level. :)

I was certainly surprised at how well he turned it on against both Nadal and Djokovic.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
That's the only small thing that keeps bothering me. If it was CP's on the opponents serve, it wouldn't bother me as much.

In any case, Fed almost stole the match. Folks need to think about that a lot before getting worked up about the CP's.

If anything, it’s Djokovic who stole this match as a soon to be 38 year old Federer was better or at worst equal to him for 5 hours and that’s what makes the loss so galling, especially since Federer also defeated Nadal while Djokovic waltzed to the finals. If Federer had been outplayed and lost, well, that was expected my most people. But to both outplay Djokovic and Nadal, hold championship points on your racket...

—Federer at nearly 38 years old played 665 points, 103 games, and 9 sets vs. the dominant #1 and #2 players who are 5 and 6 years younger, respectively.

—He won 344/665 points (51.7%)
—He won 55/103 games (53.4%)
—He won 5/9 sets (55.5%)

People who watch the sport understand “winning” in the context of the AD scoring system. What transpired on Sunday with Federer not winning is nothing short of comical.

A 1.15 Dominance ratio over 400+ points played can’t be a fluke and/or luck and is almost impossible to get to against someone as good as Djokovic who basically has no weaknesses. 1.15 dominance ratio AND +14 in points won...its almost impossible to lose, but it happened.

For comparison, Djokovic won the dominance ratio at 1.15 or 1.16 against:

—Santiago Geraldo at the 2007 RG. 6-3, 7-6, 6-4 (+16 in Points)
—Andy Murray at the 2015 AO: 7-6, 6-7, 6-3, 6-0 (+18 in Points)
—Kei Nishikori at 2010 RG: 6-1, 6-4, 6-4 (+16 in Points)

Look at thet last score. It looks like a blowout, but Kei actually won 49 return points to 48 for Djokovic, but only won 2 out of 9 break points. Djokovic won 16 more points overall. Would anyone say that Kei or Murray or Giraldo outplayed Djokovic in those matches?

In any case, I didn’t think he could play like this against these two back to back at this point in his career but he did and was one point away from putting the final touches on the work he’s put in to win these two matches against these two on this surface.
 
LOL, gotta love VBers spamming "Fed's legacy destroyed" threads in the general pro. Worst fanbase in tennis by the virtue of a good portion of them being much more about hating one specific player than anything else.
I didn't see nearly as many Nadal fans/trolls being nasty as the ones that carry Djokovic flags. Then I also know quite a few Federer fans who say terrible things about Rafa on a regular basis, even Toni sometimes gets dragged, Djokovic gets git as well. So honestly I don't think it's fair at all to call out Nadal's fanbase as the worst.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
For me, the worst three blown chances in slams for Roger are:

1. 2009 USO (no excuse losing to Del Po in his first and only slam final)
2. 2019 Wimbledon
3. 2009 AO (worst performance in a major final, so passive and nervous)

I guess we Fed fans can look to the bright side and name some slams he possibly "should" have lost: 2009 Wimbledon, 2017 AO.

Had Roddick not blown that volley, he probably would have won, but even then, Roddick wasn’t the better player in that final after all was said and done.

—Total points won: 223 Federer, 213 Roddick
—Return points won: 68 Federer, 42 Roddick
—Dominance Ratio: Federer 1.33

As for 2017 AO, Nadal had to hold a few times to win, but Federer from the very beginning of the 5th set was deep into every Nadal service game but couldn’t break but won more return points.

—Total points won: 150 Federer, 139 Nadal
—Return points won: 59 Federer, 47 Nadal
—Dominance ratio: Federer, 1.15

As for the 2009 AO Final, Federer had a very, very good night from the baseline but was let down by his serve. He served at 51.7%, second lowest of all his Slam Finals matches (51.4% against DelPo) and that was with him taking pace off the serve as he was under 50%. Every other slamfinal vs, Nadal, Federer served at 60%+. Had he done so that night, he literally could have won in straight sets.
 
Hi guys... Like many of you, I'm absolutely heartbroken after yesterday's match. Before the match I planned on doing highlights of it, but it left me with such a bad taste I don't even wanna touch it. I don't wanna see it, I don't wanna feel it. I don't want to have anything to do with it. The memories are bad enough. So I decided to upload this video instead, an old tribute of mine that I did after the final losses in 2014 and 2015. It's a video about that when you try your best and you don't succeed, there can still be light in the end of the tunnel: "Lights will guide you home And ignite your bones And I will try to fix you" We're proud of you Roger, we'll never stop believing and supporting you. Hold your head up high!

Cheer up! Roger's going to be alright. "It ain't about how hard you get hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward". Federer proved throughout his career that he can keep moving forward no matter how tough any loss is. He is the ultimate champion in that sense, and we're extremely lucky as fans. :)
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
Cheer up! Roger's going to be alright. "It ain't about how hard you get hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward". Federer proved throughout his career that he can keep moving forward no matter how tough any loss is. He is the ultimate champion in that sense, and we're extremely lucky as fans. :)
Thanks, Rock.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
This guy has been delivering heart attacks since AO'05.

Gets on my nerves to see him play the big points passively but still enjoying the nerves his matches bring.

What's next for the Swiss man? I'd say rest up, gain a few points and try to be seeded #2 for AO.

He might still have one deep Wimbledon run left in him.
@Rago -- can't improve upon this. All good points.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
I did mention somewhere else that I rather have Fed win USO19 than Wimb19. Just can't find that post of mine. If the man does the right things again and is not injured, I think he still has a chance barring another Djoko face-off. Just can't predict how much this final took out of him. If the exhaustion lingers, then that's a double blow. Another USO would put him in the lead for 2 slams which would be a nice to have should anyone else get to 20.

From that point of view, USO 09 and 15 loss stings pretty bad. Especially USO 09, which would have given Fed 6 in a row at a slam. Would have become the only player to do that. Coincidentally, Fed lost the 1st TB in that match also. :oops:
 
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Rago

Hall of Fame
LOL, gotta love VBers spamming "Fed's legacy destroyed" threads in the general pro. Worst fanbase in tennis by the virtue of a good portion of them being much more about hating one specific player than anything else.
If I was a VB member, I'd really be more concerned about Bull losing to a 38 year old semi retired weak era servebot on green British clay.

Fed has been living rent free in their heads since 2005.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
I just read on another thread that Fed has lost 21 matches after holding MPs.
Over the past few years, he has made a habit out of blowing MPs . Then he progressed to blowing MPs in slams (Anderson last year) and also blowing CPs in a tournament (Delpo at IW last year).
It was bound to happen sooner or later that he would fail to serve out and blow CPs at a slam...

A lot of people say it is age related but I disagree. If anything, you should become mentally stronger and hold your nerves better with age even if you physically decline and what happened at 40-15 CP had nothing to do with physical decline.

I think he should have addressed the problem early on, used mindfulness or meditation or whatever works for him to stay in the moment and focus on the next ball instead of thinking ahead or making wrong decisions or freezing because of nerves. Too late now and it is a missed opportunity but it beats me how no one in his team so far thought of a way to address or improve this glaring issue.

Specific to this match , If Fed had dumped a sitter FH into the net or played a poor dropshot , we can say it was nerves.

When the serve is not perfectly placed, then Fed starts on an equal or inferior footing with Djokovic. We have to accept that. Fed is not as good as Djokovic for a long time in trading groundstrokes. It is not 2007-11 anymore.

I know he has blown so many CP and MP but you can save a lot if you are good at defending. Fed is highly reliant on serve and hence he has the problem in closing it out if his serve deserts him.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
I don't take these losses too seriously because I expected Fed to lose once the match approached 4 hours.

The 2009 Wimbledon and 2017 AO were complete outliers. Even at 40-15 I stood up watching at a bar with friends and had immense reservation and once he blew the 2nd point I knew it was Novak's title.

To continue deluding ones self EXPECTING Roger to win such matches is just sad.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
I don't take these losses too seriously because I expected Fed to lose once the match approached 4 hours.

The 2009 Wimbledon and 2017 AO were complete outliers. Even at 40-15 I stood up watching at a bar with friends and had immense reservation and once he blew the 2nd point I knew it was Novak's title.

To continue deluding ones self EXPECTING Roger to win such matches is just sad.

I don't think anyone expected Fed to win ahead of the match or even at 4-4 in the final set. The belief came when Fed was serving at 8-7 and peaked at 8-7, 40-15. I don't think the belief completely went away until Novak saved the BP at 11-11.

Fed could have had a tough service game at 8-7 if he had not had those 2 aces and folks may not feel as much. The 3 points in succession with 2 aces and the 40-15 lead, after breaking Novak from 30-0 the previous game, which meant he had won 7 of the last 8 points. Tough to think he would lose 4 in succession at that time.
 
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