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MeatTornado

Legend
Well there goes my whole viewpoint ....
Because your viewpoint doesn't even make sense. This was Wimbledon; the Holy Grail of tennis. It's the biggest event, and our favorite player's best event. At possibly his last chance to win it, we saw it get ripped away in the most painful way possible. How could we not still be upset about it? If he'd won would we not be allowed to still be happy about it 6 days later either?

This is sports. They're emotional investments over strangers, but I don't think anyone here has lost sight of reality. I'm sad he lost, but it's not like I forgot that I'm healthy, my family's healthy and I'm gainfully employed with a roof over my head. I can still be upset about it even if it doesn't have a tangible impact on my life. That's what being a sports fan is.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
My favorite Andre quote came during the USO match with Roddick that he guest commentated on:

"When a champion has two things they can count on out there as best in the world, they're a dominant champion. I think Roger has closer to 5."
Andre’s insights are always interesting. In this case, he’s certainly right. Just as all-time great teams in team sports have multiple paths to victory, so does Roger. For example, in basketball, a team’s core strentth could be its offense or defense, but for great teams, it’s usually both with one of the two being “best in the league type.” They can outscore you or of that’s not working, they can defend and get stops, etc. Within those offenses and defenses, all-time great teams have multiple strengths (e.g., shooting, rebounding, ISO scoring, best offensive players being some of the best defensive players, etc.).

This is why Federer is seemingly always so difficult to defeat routinely, even at this age. He has the best combination of hold game and break game against other top players ever when considering all surfaces. But it’s also why he’s has so many matches in which he was seemingly the better player who lost anyway because most players who lose don’t have enough pathways to make a match competitive while Federer even at 38 does even when his go-to game isn’t winning the match. And then the closing mentality comes into play. Against Djokovic, other than the first TB in which he was in a winning position, he just didn’t exude the confidence that he was better in the TBs and should win and his UEs showed that.

—Federer can win and has won by serving well, attacking with the first FH, returning decently. But he’s also won by:

—He’s won by playing defense and outlasting opponents.
—He’s won by getting into every return game even when his own serve game falters.
—He’s won by camping out in the AD corner and turning most BHs into FHs.
—He’s won by winning BH rallies.
—He’s won matches of attrition, fast surface shot making matches, serve and volley duels, BH slice duels, by taking over the net, etc., etc.

His overall, all-around ability gives him so many opportunities on a game by game basis. Look at Wimbledon—the last player to win more points than Federer in a match was Raonic in 2016 and even then, that was after Federer had the match by the throat. Since he won Wimbledon in 2003, he’s had these losing dominance ratios:

2014 Djokovic, .90
2015 Djokovic, .91
2010 Berdych, .91
2016 Raonic, .96

In 16 years, he’s never been completely outplayed at Wimbledon and that’s crazy to think about. Even against Berdych he had chances to chsngenthr match.

2013 Stakovsky, 1.02
2008 Nadal, 1.02
2019 Djokovic, 1.15
2018 Anderson, 1.17
2011 Tsonga, 1.20
 
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Lleytonstation

Hall of Fame
Andre’s insights are always interesting.
Andre is all over the place. I like him, but he seems to say things sometimes that are contradictory and just unnecessary. If you have ever watched the IW Hit For Haiti you see this as well (his book too). He just likes to be the "insightful" guy while trying to be the "comedic" guy too. He simply says too much in my opinion.
 

TheIntrovert

Hall of Fame
Because your viewpoint doesn't even make sense. This was Wimbledon; the Holy Grail of tennis. It's the biggest event, and our favorite player's best event. At possibly his last chance to win it, we saw it get ripped away in the most painful way possible. How could we not still be upset about it? If he'd won would we not be allowed to still be happy about it 6 days later either?

This is sports. They're emotional investments over strangers, but I don't think anyone here has lost sight of reality. I'm sad he lost, but it's not like I forgot that I'm healthy, my family's healthy and I'm gainfully employed with a roof over my head. I can still be upset about it even if it doesn't have a tangible impact on my life. That's what being a sports fan is.
Again. It’s fine to be upset. But there’s a limit. You’re doing fine and good for you. But I’ve seen so many posters over the last few days talking as if they’re depressed and some leaving/stop watching the sport because fed didn’t serve an ace. And that’s not normal at all. I 100% agree sports come with a rollercoaster of emotions. But you have to be able to deal with those emotions and think rationally afterwards.
And if he had won, that’s wonderful. That’s a positive emotion, and there’s no limit to prolonging that happiness. But you shouldn’t hold onto negative emotions.
 
Again. It’s fine to be upset. But there’s a limit. You’re doing fine and good for you. But I’ve seen so many posters over the last few days talking as if they’re depressed and some leaving/stop watching the sport because fed didn’t serve an ace. And that’s not normal at all. I 100% agree sports come with a rollercoaster of emotions. But you have to be able to deal with those emotions and think rationally afterwards.
And if he had won, that’s wonderful. That’s a positive emotion, and there’s no limit to prolonging that happiness. But you shouldn’t hold onto negative emotions.
The other side of it can be overdone as well, though. Let's be honest about that.

Reveling vicariously isn't ideal. And that often accompanies victory.

Something of this nature could be healthy in the long run.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
Here’s some simple numbers that show how difficult it is to easily defeat Federer; these numbers show his multi-faceted game as Agassi mentions, but also his highly underrated fighting spirit.

From 2003 Wimb to 2019 Wimbledon: Federer has played 365 slam matches and has had a dominance ratio less .90 twenty-one times (eleven of those times after turning 30 years old). 11 times he’s had a dominance ratio of less than .80, 8 of those after he turned 30.

From 2007 USO to 2019 Wimbledon: Djokovic has played 281 slam matches and has had a dominance ratio less than .90 twenty-one times (twenty if you count from 2008 AO onwards). 10 times he’s had a dominance ratio less than .80.

From 2005 RG to 2019 Wimbledon: Nadal has played 289 slam matches and has had a dominance ratio less than .90 twenty-five times. 14 times he’s has a dominance ratio less than .80.

If you count from 2008 AO, he’s played 235 slam matches and has had a dominance ratio less than .90 nineteen times, 9 times less than .80.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Again. It’s fine to be upset. But there’s a limit. You’re doing fine and good for you. But I’ve seen so many posters over the last few days talking as if they’re depressed and some leaving/stop watching the sport because fed didn’t serve an ace. And that’s not normal at all. I 100% agree sports come with a rollercoaster of emotions. But you have to be able to deal with those emotions and think rationally afterwards.
And if he had won, that’s wonderful. That’s a positive emotion, and there’s no limit to prolonging that happiness. But you shouldn’t hold onto negative emotions.
And every one of those people saying that will be back for the US Open. This is just a place of venting at the moment. I'll repeat: it hasn't even been a week, and there's been no tennis to watch to help get past it, so obviously there's going to be a lot of negative dwelling on what just happened. Just take what's said during these emotional times with a grain of salt.

And just because we shouldn't hold onto negative emotions doesn't mean it's that easy for people to just turn off like a light switch. Otherwise actual, real depression wouldn't exist in the world and we'd all be like this:
 

Ann

Hall of Fame
Why bother watching Fed matches at all if it's immaterial if he wins or loses? I agree with much of what you're saying, but wouldn't question the fandom of others or think it's unhealthy that some take the loss so hard. Let's face it, it was the worst lost ever for a Fed fan to digest. Holding Championship points in a Wimbledon final (on his serve) and losing it is brutal. And if some people are taking it harder than others, that's OK. I'm happy for this moment and try to focus on that instead of the final outcome.
It matters that he lost but you people are letting it rule your entire lives and minimizing a 20 year career to one loss at 38 years old. You're all feeding off each other's misery. This ******* forum needs an intervention.
 

NBP

Hall of Fame
Look, I don’t think we should criticise anyone for feeling down from this final at all. There’s a limit, yeah, but some people can’t control their emotions otherwise no one would ever be upset about anything, because they’d have this imaginary switch.

It’s a bad feeling, and a sour taste. To lose with championship point is not normal, so you can’t expect fans to take it as if he lost in 4. When Djokovic slapped Fed in Australia 3 years ago was I mad? Was I upset? Hell no, I was laughing. That type of loss no one can really feel bad about. Losing a grand slam final to a guy you haven’t beaten at that stage in 12 years, the world number 1 and defending champion, after beating your career rival at the age of 38 and coming within one point of winning and then LOSING is one of the worst feelings any fan can ever have in this sport. It’s unimaginable, the devil couldn’t write a more painful script.

So once Cincinnati starts all of this will blow over a bit, like Tornado says, it’s venting. But I don’t agree with downplaying it. None of us are run of the mill-casual fans or we wouldn’t write on a tennis forum.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
I haven't posted here in a long time.

Too many people were too cruel to each other for my liking. And I got cruel too. Mean and petty at times when I could have been quiet and hit ignore. So I left for a while. It's been nice to be gone.

Sometimes I visit and I see a lot of folks biting and devouring each other with cruel jabs and words (stuff that would hurt me anyway), and the never-ending GOAT arguments that go absolutely nowhere and get personal and unkind ... and it confirms I did the right thing for myself to stop posting. Maybe a lot of folks here have thicker skin and don't let it get to them as much.

But I have looked at some of these posts about Fed's loss and it's effect and I wanted to briefly chime in cause I feel solidarity and hurt with so many of you.

I can not imagine him losing in a more painful way for a tennis match. Worse than 2-2-2 for sure (for me). It feels like it was almost "horrifying" to come that close and lose. Two match points in the 5th for the championship. It would have capped his career for me perfectly. Nadal and Novak back to back. Just the tiniest angle on either 1st serves improved and he's there. Hands held high, tears of joy.

And it all blew up. For me - it was almost violently bad emotionally. I still can barely believe he lost.

And while I totally relate to - and have been similar to - some here who have been devastated, I think @Ann and some others are right: I dare say, I think it's too much and unhealthy to be so traumatized as maybe some of us (including me) can be about tennis.

For me - as embarrassing as it might be to admit in terms of how tangled up I can get - I've had to pray (for Fed, for me, for Novak) and to try keep my perspective on my faith in Christ and eternally important things to help me regain perspective and not be weighed low.

I have a wife and little kids and a church family to care for. I have a father in law who died a few weeks ago... and my own dad who died in November. I have very little precious years left (even if I get 40 more!) that will go by so quick. Because life is so short here.

AND:

It is just a game. With yellow fuzzy balls. and sticks.

It really is just that. A game with balls.

There are poor people who need my help, there are depressed people who need my encouragement. And (I believe) there are people who need the good news I have about God's forgiveness and new life in Christ (no offense intended if that is not your thing).

There is no way "who wins this match" - if there is a God as I believe - matters deeply to Him. Not compared to people starving and killing each other and all the real preventable suffering and waste and hurt that covers so much of our world.

What matters is loving each other and faith. Fed and his kids and Mirka caring for each other. Novak being faithful to Jelena and loving his family. Them using their platform for good in the world like they seem to try to do. Setting good examples in their striving for excellence while respecting each other.

Fed will always be my favorite athlete ever by a million miles. I truly love him too much!

He is absolutely amazing.

But I can't call it sane or wise or freedom to let a tennis match crush me for days.

I just can't let that go without fighting it. It's replacing God and my family and others who need me with some guy who doesn't know me, need me, and never will - who plays a game with sticks and balls.

To me - it's just heart level idolatry - and then getting my ass rightly kicked for it.

But - yeah - boy. It's been a real fight to get and keep my bearings.

With that said:

GO FED. Be21eve (and enjoy his game win or lose while we have him).

Peace and cheers to all of you, my fellow Fed fans (and Novak and Rafa fans as well)!
 
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MeatTornado

Legend
It matters that he lost but you people are letting it rule your entire lives and minimizing a 20 year career to one loss at 38 years old. You're all feeding off each other's misery. This ******* forum needs an intervention.
And here's where the internet is a problem, you're only getting a small glimpse into the people here. It's not ruling my life, nor do I think it's ruling anyone else's life. Not like I'm walking around work like a zombie or drowning myself in booze at night. If you looked at any of our postings here during any time, you'd think all of us were doing literally nothing but sitting in front of a TV and watching tennis, because that's what we talk about here. Is there a lot of hyperbole and exaggeration going on right now? Sure, but so is your response.

Is this loss currently ruling my tennis fandom? Damn straight. I can't really bring myself to focus on the Newport 250 right now or whatever you think we should be talking about.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
What we all need to do is sign a "Federer's News" declaration of silence, in which we never speak of this match again.

I am ready to move on, so let's just agree it was a tough one and forget about it, eh?

I just officially signed. @Lleytonstation will NEVER mention this again.

So Cincy and USO? Maybe Fed is more motivated than ever.
"The Match That Will Not Be Named"
 

Lleytonstation

Hall of Fame
I haven't posted here in a long time.

Too many people were too cruel to each other for my liking. And I got cruel too. Mean and petty at times when I could have been quiet and hit ignore. So I left for a while. It's been nice to be gone.

Sometimes I visit and I see a lot of folks biting and devouring each other with cruel jabs and words (stuff that would hurt me anyway), and the never-ending GOAT arguments that go absolutely nowhere and get personal and unkind ... and it confirms I did the right thing for myself to stop posting. Maybe a lot of folks here have thicker skin and don't let it get to them as much.

But I have looked at some of these posts about Fed's loss and it's effect and I wanted to briefly chime in cause I feel solidarity and hurt with so many of you.

I can not imagine him losing in a more painful way for a tennis match. Worse than 2-2-2 for sure (for me). It feels like it was almost "horrifying" to come that close and lose. Two match points in the 5th for the championship. It would have capped his career for me perfectly. Nadal and Novak back to back. Just the tiniest angle on either 1st serves improved and he's there. Hands held high, tears of joy.

And it all blew up. For me - it was almost violently bad emotionally. I still can barely believe he lost.

And while I totally relate to - and have been similar to - some here who have been devastated, I think @Ann and some others are right: I dare say, I think it's too much and unhealthy to be so traumatized as maybe some of us (including me) can be about tennis.

For me - as embarrassing as it might be to admit in terms of how tangled up I can get - I've had to pray (for Fed, for me, for Novak) and to try keep my perspective on my faith in Christ and eternally important things to help me regain perspective and not be weighed low.

I have a wife and little kids and a church family to care for. I have a father in law who died a few weeks ago... and my own dad who died in November. I have very little precious years left (even if I get 40 more!) that will go by so quick. Because life is so short here.

AND:

It is just a game. With yellow fuzzy balls. and sticks.

It really is just that. A game with balls.

There are poor people who need my help, there are depressed people who need my encouragement. And (I believe) there are people who need the good news I have about God's forgiveness and new life in Christ (no offense intended if that is not your thing).

There is no way "who wins this match" - if there is a God as I believe - matters deeply to Him. Not compared to people starving and killing each other and all the real preventable suffering and waste and hurt that covers so much of our world.

What matters is loving each other and faith. Fed and his kids and Mirka caring for each other. Novak being faithful to Jelena and loving his family. Them using their platform for good in the world like they seem to try to do. Setting good examples in their striving for excellence while respecting each other.

Fed will always be my favorite athlete ever by a million miles. I truly love him too much!

He is absolutely amazing.

But I can't call it sane or wise or freedom to let a tennis match crush me for days.

I just can't let that go without fighting it. It's replacing God and my family and others who need me with some guy who doesn't know me, need me, and never will - who plays a game with sticks and balls.

To me - it's just heart level idolatry - and then getting my ass rightly kicked for it.

But - yeah - boy. It's been a real fight to get and keep my bearings.

With that said:

GO FED. Be21eve (and enjoy his game win or lose while we have him).

Peace and cheers to all of you, my fellow Fed fans (and Novak and Rafa fans as well)!
Yep, yep, yep. Not sure why some here think people are overreacting because they took a hit emotionally in tennis. Yes, emotionally this was hard for me because I am emotionally attached to Fed and tennis, yet I compartmentalize this emotion to just my tennis hobby and don't let my week be ruined (maybe the day), but I was able to move on.

If you are a true fan, it is because you are emotionally attached, hence the FAN in FANatic.

However, I will continue to say that I enjoy the ride and journey over the results, we just happened to be spoiled to be fans of Fed who has the best perks in the world: winning.

If Fed wins another one, it will make it even greater, as the journey to it would be better, more intense, more emotional, and simply amazing.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
What we all need to do is sign a "Federer's News" declaration of silence, in which we never speak of this match again.

I am ready to move on, so let's just agree it was a tough one and forget about it, eh?

I just officially signed. @Lleytonstation will NEVER mention this again.

So Cincy and USO? Maybe Fed is more motivated than ever.
I am super interested in Cincinnati. I'd love to see how he responds if it's another Fed/Djoker final.
 
I haven't posted here in a long time.

Too many people were too cruel to each other for my liking. And I got cruel too. Mean and petty at times when I could have been quiet and hit ignore. So I left for a while. It's been nice to be gone.

Sometimes I visit and I see a lot of folks biting and devouring each other with cruel jabs and words (stuff that would hurt me anyway), and the never-ending GOAT arguments that go absolutely nowhere and get personal and unkind ... and it confirms I did the right thing for myself to stop posting. Maybe a lot of folks here have thicker skin and don't let it get to them as much.

But I have looked at some of these posts about Fed's loss and it's effect and I wanted to briefly chime in cause I feel solidarity and hurt with so many of you.

I can not imagine him losing in a more painful way for a tennis match. Worse than 2-2-2 for sure (for me). It feels like it was almost "horrifying" to come that close and lose. Two match points in the 5th for the championship. It would have capped his career for me perfectly. Nadal and Novak back to back. Just the tiniest angle on either 1st serves improved and he's there. Hands held high, tears of joy.

And it all blew up. For me - it was almost violently bad emotionally. I still can barely believe he lost.

And while I totally relate to - and have been similar to - some here who have been devastated, I think @Ann and some others are right: I dare say, I think it's too much and unhealthy to be so traumatized as maybe some of us (including me) can be about tennis.

For me - as embarrassing as it might be to admit in terms of how tangled up I can get - I've had to pray (for Fed, for me, for Novak) and to try keep my perspective on my faith in Christ and eternally important things to help me regain perspective and not be weighed low.

I have a wife and little kids and a church family to care for. I have a father in law who died a few weeks ago... and my own dad who died in November. I have very little precious years left (even if I get 40 more!) that will go by so quick. Because life is so short here.

AND:

It is just a game. With yellow fuzzy balls. and sticks.

It really is just that. A game with balls.

There are poor people who need my help, there are depressed people who need my encouragement. And (I believe) there are people who need the good news I have about God's forgiveness and new life in Christ (no offense intended if that is not your thing).

There is no way "who wins this match" - if there is a God as I believe - matters deeply to Him. Not compared to people starving and killing each other and all the real preventable suffering and waste and hurt that covers so much of our world.

What matters is loving each other and faith. Fed and his kids and Mirka caring for each other. Novak being faithful to Jelena and loving his family. Them using their platform for good in the world like they seem to try to do. Setting good examples in their striving for excellence while respecting each other.

Fed will always be my favorite athlete ever by a million miles. I truly love him too much!

He is absolutely amazing.

But I can't call it sane or wise or freedom to let a tennis match crush me for days.

I just can't let that go without fighting it. It's replacing God and my family and others who need me with some guy who doesn't know me, need me, and never will - who plays a game with sticks and balls.

To me - it's just heart level idolatry - and then getting my ass rightly kicked for it.

But - yeah - boy. It's been a real fight to get and keep my bearings.

With that said:

GO FED. Be21eve (and enjoy his game win or lose while we have him).

Peace and cheers to all of you, my fellow Fed fans (and Novak and Rafa fans as well)!
Welcome back. Don't be a stranger. (y)
 

AceSalvo

Legend
After the semifinal "victory" over Nadal I was expecting a 4 set defeat for Fed. He beat my expectation by 1 set and 2 CP's. Yes, it would have been a fairy tale finish to Fed's career. But cmon folks, he just hit 38. Before I start scrutinizing him, I would like to see what Nadal and Djoko accomplish' when they are 38.

Maybe I am still a bit butthurt that he lost at his most fav event. I believe Fed can still pull off a blinder at the other slams.
 
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Lleytonstation

Hall of Fame
Other than Djoker and Maybe Rafa, I feel Fed is playing good tennis in these slower court conditions this year. Even though the bounce is much higher at USO, the courts are not much slower than WC these days. He would not lose to a Millman in this form.

I see a highly motivated and focused Fed the rest of the year. AO20 is a good spot for number 21. However, he has a better shot at USO if this current form holds (injured in 2017).
 

MeatTornado

Legend
After the semifinal "victory" over Nadal I was expecting a 4 set defeat for Fed. He beat my expectation by 1 set and 2 CP's. Yes, it would have been a fairy tale finish to Fed's career. But cmon folks, he just hit 38. Before I start scrutinizing him, I would like to see what Nadal and Djoko accomplish' when they are 38.

Maybe I am still a bit butthurt that he lost at his most fav event. I believe Fed can still pull off a blinder at the other slams.
But why is victory in quotes?
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Other than Djoker and Maybe Rafa, I feel Fed is playing good tennis in these slower court conditions this year. Even though the bounce is much higher at USO, the courts are not much slower than WC these days. He would not lose to a Millman in this form.

I see a highly motivated and focused Fed the rest of the year. AO20 is a good spot for number 21. However, he has a better shot at USO if this current form holds (injured in 2017).
Yeah, certainly Fed is the top favorite outside of Novak/Rafa in NY no matter how slow the courts are. He proved as much during the clay season.

Although I'm still not optimistic. There's a reason the USO has had more random winners during the Big 4 era than any of the other slams, and why Federer has struggled so much since turning 30. It's super hard to win because by September a lot of the players are worn out, and having to grind through those slow conditions in the soupy NY heat is exhausting. Especially with Ashe playing like a greenhouse now.
 

Lleytonstation

Hall of Fame
Yeah, certainly Fed is the top favorite outside of Novak/Rafa in NY no matter how slow the courts are. He proved as much during the clay season.

Although I'm still not optimistic. There's a reason the USO has had more random winners during the Big 4 era than any of the other slams, and why Federer has struggled so much since turning 30. It's super hard to win because by September a lot of the players are worn out, and having to grind through those slow conditions in the soupy NY heat is exhausting. Especially with Ashe playing like a greenhouse now.
I wish USO was in October for many reasons, one being higher quality matches where exhaustion does not take place so often.
 

TheIntrovert

Hall of Fame
And every one of those people saying that will be back for the US Open. This is just a place of venting at the moment. I'll repeat: it hasn't even been a week, and there's been no tennis to watch to help get past it, so obviously there's going to be a lot of negative dwelling on what just happened. Just take what's said during these emotional times with a grain of salt.

And just because we shouldn't hold onto negative emotions doesn't mean it's that easy for people to just turn off like a light switch. Otherwise actual, real depression wouldn't exist in the world and we'd all be like this:
And that’s what my point is. If a tennis match, the result of which has no difference on your life whatsoever, is having this much of an effect on you that you’re still feeling sore and upset about it nearly a week on, then there’s clearly a problem here. Depression and sadness from your favourite player losing a tennis match should be totally incomparable. And if they aren’t for you, then again. That’s an issue as well.
 

Rogfan

Semi-Pro
Since AO18 Djoker and Nadal have shared the slams 4:2. No one else seems to be able to win them anymore. I just feel they will simply go 3:1 everyone for the rest of time. How annoying and boring.

I’ll declare myself fan for life of the first person outside if Big3 to win a slam!
 

Enceladus

Hall of Fame
Djoko was actually very lucky with how his draw panned out. If he had to play FAA, Medvedev, Raonic/Zverev back to back I think he would lost more steam before the finals.

Hope some of these Next Gen actually show up for USO19. Problem is they could somehow show up in Fed’s half and play a blinder against him and it’s all over. Still all fingers crossed.
Besides Medvedev, none of the named tennis players would be a similarly tough obstacle for Djoker than Bautista.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Besides Medvedev, none of the named tennis players would be a similarly tough obstacle for Djoker than Bautista.
There is no way for you to prove that.

And the point I was making is still valid even if it was just Medvedev. Djoko got out easy with his draw. While Fed played out his draw as projected. It would have been a different outcome had Fed played a Agut-like player in the semi.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
This was Wimbledon; the Holy Grail of tennis. It's the biggest event, and our favorite player's best event. At possibly his last chance to win it, we saw it get ripped away in the most painful way possible. How could we not still be upset about it?

This is sports. They're emotional investments over strangers, but I don't think anyone here has lost sight of reality. I can still be upset about it even if it doesn't have a tangible impact on my life. That's what being a sports fan is.
@MeatTornado

Great post, you explained the pain and the lingering feelings perfectly.
 
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