Federer News

Yeah, how could WE not be upset about it?

:rolleyes:

P. S. You have no idea what a sports fan is, if your attachment to the sport is predominantly the win or loss. This match was a celebration of tennis, even if Federer lost.
I don't know about the match itself, but the ride to those match points is why I am a fan. What more can you ask for then a 38 year old still giving you excitement when he should be retired?
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
I remember back in April and into May how no one here wanted Fred to play the French Open or clay season at all because he'd get injured. Fred not only played the FO and not only did he not get injured he made it to the semi-finals.

There were many then, who thought that while clay was a success he blew his chances at Wimbledon because he wouldn't have time to adjust to grass and because of clay - who knew how tired he was. Every match at Halle people complained that he looked like **** that he might not even win Halle and would tank at Wimbledon.

The GOAT did win Halle, improving with every match. Then at Wimbledon, everyone said they'd be ecstatic if he made it to the QF. He made it easily and won. Then everyone thought he'd get crushed by Nadal, instead he crushed Nadal.

THEN everyone said everything after that was gravy. They just hoped he didn't get destroyed in the final by Djoker. Instead he played 5 hours and lost - just - barely.

WHAT THE HELL, PEOPLE!

The man has exceeded all expectations every step of the way. He's looked amazing. His health is perfect. His game if phenomenal and by the time Cincy is finished he could be #2 in the world.

COME ON! I feel like celebrating this season. I'm so thrilled with everything Fred has done. This season has already turned out to be so much more than I ever dreamed of.
That's the spirit Ann! :)
 
I do think I speak for MOST Fed fans when I say it's time we move on from this and accept it. Fed is not done playing tennis and he might not be done winning slams.

Let's move on from this and be glad he beat Rafa and made it to a slam final at 38. Forget he had match points and enjoy the last few rides and not the results.

He has given us the results, lets now enjoy the final rides eh?
 

MeatTornado

Legend
I haven't been here for more than a couple of minutes in the last couple of days, because in fact I have other interesting things to do, but it took me all of 5 minutes to read the latest in FN to see that you haven't been exhausted of being you. You are very much mistaken. I am not looking for a fight. I am resolved to remind you that you are not speaking on my behalf, so that will continue until you don't stop.

:cool:
I was clearly talking about those of us who are upset by the loss, not all Fed fans. How are you the only one who can never understand this? Context clues, dude. They teach you that in 1st grade reading.

If you're not upset by the loss, then you're not included in the WE of that sentence.
 

xFedal

Legend
Andre’s insights are always interesting. In this case, he’s certainly right. Just as all-time great teams in team sports have multiple paths to victory, so does Roger. For example, in basketball, a team’s core strentth could be its offense or defense, but for great teams, it’s usually both with one of the two being “best in the league type.” They can outscore you or of that’s not working, they can defend and get stops, etc. Within those offenses and defenses, all-time great teams have multiple strengths (e.g., shooting, rebounding, ISO scoring, best offensive players being some of the best defensive players, etc.).

This is why Federer is seemingly always so difficult to defeat routinely, even at this age. He has the best combination of hold game and break game against other top players ever when considering all surfaces. But it’s also why he’s has so many matches in which he was seemingly the better player who lost anyway because most players who lose don’t have enough pathways to make a match competitive while Federer even at 38 does even when his go-to game isn’t winning the match. And then the closing mentality comes into play. Against Djokovic, other than the first TB in which he was in a winning position, he just didn’t exude the confidence that he was better in the TBs and should win and his UEs showed that.

—Federer can win and has won by serving well, attacking with the first FH, returning decently. But he’s also won by:

—He’s won by playing defense and outlasting opponents.
—He’s won by getting into every return game even when his own serve game falters.
—He’s won by camping out in the AD corner and turning most BHs into FHs.
—He’s won by winning BH rallies.
—He’s won matches of attrition, fast surface shot making matches, serve and volley duels, BH slice duels, by taking over the net, etc., etc.

His overall, all-around ability gives him so many opportunities on a game by game basis. Look at Wimbledon—the last player to win more points than Federer in a match was Raonic in 2016 and even then, that was after Federer had the match by the throat. Since he won Wimbledon in 2003, he’s had these losing dominance ratios:

2014 Djokovic, .90
2015 Djokovic, .91
2010 Berdych, .91
2016 Raonic, .96

In 16 years, he’s never been completely outplayed at Wimbledon and that’s crazy to think about. Even against Berdych he had chances to chsngenthr match.

2013 Stakovsky, 1.02
2008 Nadal, 1.02
2019 Djokovic, 1.15
2018 Anderson, 1.17
2011 Tsonga, 1.20
Johansson d. Roddick, 2004 USO

Johansson won 24 fewer points than Roddick did (128-152), but won the match.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Yep.

Apparently Fed is paying now for not having faced a strong era. Conveniently ignoring the fact that Fed is 38. 2004-2007 Fed would have smoked 2019 Djoko.
Well, to play devil's advocate,isn't that exactly his point? That Fed was so damn good in his prime that he didn't have to learn to fight through the tough matches because he could just smoke everyone based on his skill. Wins came too easy for him.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Well, to play devil's advocate,isn't that exactly his point? That Fed was so damn good in his prime that he didn't have to learn to fight through the tough matches because he could just smoke everyone based on his skill. Wins came too easy for him.
but the thing is, to say he didn't have to fight through points is also incorrect. its not like he was smoking everyone 24/7, he did have tough matches. heck that USO 2007 if im not mistaken, while was a straight set match, actually was much tighter, but with fed winning the important points. Take another one, his 5 setter against nadal during wimbledon 2007. I'm sure there were more, so this idea that fed never dealt with important matches or had to fight is still wrong as is djokodal being tactical geniuses. Him mentioning nadal after fed beat him and has a winning h2h post 2015 completely undoes his entire argument.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Well, to play devil's advocate,isn't that exactly his point?.... he could just smoke everyone based on his skill. Wins came too easy for him.
No, that was not his point. He was pointing to the fact that there was no one strong enough to give Fed a tough match. So, there are people out there ignoring that fact that he could just smoke everyone based on his skill and purposefully coming to wrong conclusion. Last I checked, 2007 Fed beat Djoko in the USO finals. So what kind of crap is Trollander up to when he says 2007 was weak and 2019 is strong.

These kind of loses are being used as ammo to promote a false narrative. Sure Fed wouldn’t care now. But when more people start singing the same song, not only it would be just plain wrong but Fed will be in a position where his hands are tied.

Us fans would have to bear the burden of fighting these kind of dimwits. Not that we should even bother. Fed has been silencing his critics since 2009. He still has the chance to keep doing it, but not for long.
 
He was making a ton of videos about Federer's game, uploading them on his youtube channel and linking them here. The videos were all high quality as editing and as a whole. Pity that he was banned, and maybe they will allow him to come back, if he restricts his linking. He can contact them on the admin's email to discuss it, if he wants, but he probably received warnings before the actual ban, so I don't know how it came to this. Either he ignored them completely or there is something else going on. In any event his videos are entertaining (I say are, because banning him from here doesn't mean that we cannot enjoy them elsewhere) and I will continue to watch them on his channel there.

:cool:
So you are not allowed to link videos from Youtube?
 
I think that this was a problem, because he was linking many videos to his own content, not that he linked random videos. I never viewed it as something more than providing highly interesting content to very discerning fans, and I don't think that he got that many views as a result from that, but obviously (if what MLM says is true) people that do that as their job have a better picture and understanding about the situation. This is a private site that runs a business, so commercial interests are of utmost importance for them.

:cool:
So if they were not his he would be fine? I guess you cant link too many videos from the same person? I hope mods give warnings like this, because he seemed like a legit poster.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
Johansson d. Roddick, 2004 USO

Johansson won 24 fewer points than Roddick did (128-152), but won the match.
I haven’t found a more egregious example of the AD scoring system rewarding a player who was outplayed than this one.

-24 points
-34 return points (Pim Pim won 27 return points in 24 Roddick serve games)

Roddick with a 1.65 Dominance ratio (never seen a higher one for the “losing” player other than when a player retired mid match).

Service breaks were 3 a piece, though.

Djokovic-Federer match had service breaks 7 to 3 in favor of Federer.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
I don’t care about the loss anymore. Just bothered that Fed gave extra bullets to trolls like Matts Trollander to shoot with. These type of people just wait for an opportunity like this to spew their agenda/rubbish.
The sad part is that in any logical and rational world, a 38 year old overall outplaying both the #1 and #2 in back to back matches in a slam gives ”ammunition” to somehow discredit him. It’s just ludicrous.
 

xFedal

Legend
I haven’t found a more egregious example of the AD scoring system rewarding a player who was outplayed than this one.

-24 points
-34 return points (Pim Pim won 27 return points in 24 Roddick serve games)

Roddick with a 1.65 Dominance ratio (never seen a higher one for the “losing” player other than when a player retired mid match).

Service breaks were 3 a piece, though.

Djokovic-Federer match had service breaks 7 to 3 in favor of Federer.
Djokovic was immensely tough mentally...... returnovic showed up only in the tiebreakers lol.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Hey guys, @Maestro1990 (Raz Olz) has been given a permanent ban due to the posting of his Federer videos ("self-promotion" was what he was banned for). If anyone knows how to get him in contact with a mod, it would be much appreciated.
Good. He blatantly ignored the rules and spammed the board for years with his money-motivated posts. I suggested the board could set up a sub-forum for posting videos like that so it wouldn't populate the main forum but I guess they decided otherwise.

So you are not allowed to link videos from Youtube?
You are, but he was doing it as a type of business - posting his videos in all the main tennis forums across the internet and in comments of articles etc. If he'd just posted one a week it wouldn't have been an issue I imagine but in peak times he was posting stuff in multiple threads every day under the guise of "here's a cool video". He even previously solicited money on his youtube channel to support his business. He'll claim he's just a fan of tennis sharing footage - and no doubt at all he loves tennis - but it was intended also as a business effort and so breached board rules.

Notwithstanding, all of his footage was in copyright breach which technically - like almost all tennis vids posted - can be removed according to currentboard rules (which might need updating).
 
Last edited:
Good. He blatantly ignored the rules and spammed the board for years with his money-motivated posts. I suggested the board could set up a sub-forum for posting videos like that so it wouldn't populate the main forum but I guess they decided otherwise.
I just hope he was warned. If he was, then I guess it is on him, I never saw him as that, but I have only been here a few months, so maybe it was more common then I thought.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
The sad part is that in any logical and rational world, a 38 year old overall outplaying both the #1 and #2 in back to back matches in a slam gives ”ammunition” to somehow discredit him. It’s just ludicrous.
Well, I have not seen Trollander heap praise on Fed for beating Nadal and matching up to Djoko. That's pretty sad. If Fed had won, I don't think there would have been a 2004-2007 weak era BS.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Djokovic was immensely tough mentally...... returnovic showed up only in the tiebreakers lol.
Nope. Shankerer was in the house for all the TB's

TB #1 - 4 Shanks
TB #2 - 3 Shanks
TB #3 - 4 Shanks

Fed lost the trophy by a few shanks.

Sorry, I am not buying into this "mentally tough Djoko" bs. Fed was equally mentally tough. In fact, it was Fed who first had match points.
 
Last edited:

MeatTornado

Legend
]Sorry, I am not buying into this "mentally tough Djoko" bs. Fed was equally mentally tough. In fact, it was Fed who first had match points.
In a world where he converted match point, we'd be talking about this being the most mentally tough victory of his career.

Down 2 sets to 1, and then down a break in the 5th, fighting back and hanging in by having to hold serve 2nd in an extended 5th set against the returner who creates more pressure than anyone.

Literally 1 inch of difference on that 40-15 serve and that's what the discussion would be.
 

TennisaGoGo

Semi-Pro
In a world where he converted match point, we'd be talking about this being the most mentally tough victory of his career.

Down 2 sets to 1, and then down a break in the 5th, fighting back and hanging in by having to hold serve 2nd in an extended 5th set against the returner who creates more pressure than anyone.

Literally 1 inch of difference on that 40-15 serve and that's what the discussion would be.
If it makes you feel any better, I’ve seen a few analyses where that serve was going wide even if it cleared the net.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
In a world where he converted match point, we'd be talking about this being the most mentally tough victory of his career.
I dont think so.

Even when Fed was really mentally strong no one ever mentioned anything close to the "mentally strong" topic. How soon people forget Fed came back from a break down in the 5th set to lift #18 against his #1 nemesis and the supposedly the real GOAT of tennis. If that is not the definition of "mentally strong" then I don't know how anything else can be.

Fed always has that reminder incoming at the right moment. 2012, 2017, 2020 (I hope).
 
Last edited:

MeatTornado

Legend
I dont think so.

Even when Fed was really mentally strong no one ever mentioned anything close to the "mentally strong" topic. How soon people forget Fed came back from a break down in the 5th set to lift #17 against his #1 nemesis and the supposedly the real GOAT of tennis. If that is not the definition of "mentally strong" then I dont know how anything else can be.
I'm talking about just the immediate aftermath like right now. After #18 in Australia that's exactly what the discussion was.

I didn't mean that this one win vs Novak would change the narrative of his career.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
I didn't mean that this one win vs Novak would change the narrative of his career.
So then people who are claiming Djoko to be the most mentally tough are missing the memo about what Fed did a few years ago. Or they have an agenda.

Here what Mats said after Fed's #18:

"Not only I never saw him playing the backhand so well against Nadal, but I think he had the best backhand in this tournament,' Wilander told L'Equipe Newspaper. He took the ball early. We could not imagine he was able to do all this against Nadal, but he showed his genious game also because of the courts speed in Melbourne."

That's giving a BH'ed compliment to Fed. Did Mats mention that the speed at 2019 Wimbledon was so slow which is why Djoko did better than otherwise? Nope. Straight to "Djoko is the mentally toughest and Fed didn't face anyone like that during 2004-2007".
 
Last edited:

MeatTornado

Legend
So then people who are claiming Djoko to be the most mentally tough are missing the memo about what Fed did a few years ago. Or they have an agenda.

Here what Mats said after Fed's #18:

"Not only I never saw him playing the backhand so well against Nadal, but I think he had the best backhand in this tournament,' Wilander told L'Equipe Newspaper. He took the ball early. We could not imagine he was able to do all this against Nadal, but he showed his genious game also because of the courts speed in Melbourne."

That's giving a BH'ed compliment to Fed. Did Mats mention that the speed at 2019 Wimbledon was so slow which is why Djoko did better than otherwise? Nope. Straight to "Djoko is the mentally toughest and Fed didn't face anyone like that during 2004-2007".
I don't really see it as an agenda because Novak is mentally tougher than Fed. That point shouldn't really be up for debate.

I also think you're reading too far into the court speed quote. It wasn't a BH'd compliment at all in my mind. Just an honest assessment, one that Roger himself shared. Seems kinda unrelated to whether or not Mats believes Fed showed mental strength in that match.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
I don't really see it as an agenda because Novak is mentally tougher than Fed.
Surely debatable. 2011 FO SF and 2012 Wimb SF proves that its debatable. A 26-22 H2H makes it even more debatable. Cmon, its not rocket science.

Novak is a better returner than Fed. And Fed has aged a lot movement and FH wise. Thats all.

Just an honest assessment...
Well, Mats missed on giving an honest assessment that Fed played the TB's bad on a slowish Wimbledon court which is why Djoko won. Nothing to be "honest" about a mentally tough Djoko or a weak 2004-2007.

I also think you're reading too far into the court speed quote. It wasn't a BH'd compliment at all in my mind.
I don't think you're even close to a proper assessment about Mats.

"but he showed his genious game also because of the courts speed in Melbourne." & "Fed is paying for beating through a weak 2004-2007"
 
Last edited:
Top