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oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
this thread basically showcase why i found laver cup so enjoyable.


its a unique tournament that allows them to be competitive, more than your average exho, but still make it enjoyable since its not point based. i mean hopman cup isnt a regular tournament yet hte players used to take it seriously and it almost made a resurgence before it officially got canned.

the novelty might wear off if europe keeps winning, i do think they need to find a way to change up that formula. i know the tag line is when rivals became teammates but we cna have that and mix it up.
I was talking to a relative about LC (last year I think). I was saying I seem to understand why basketball is so successful after seeing LC. Look at basketball. You don't necessarily have to be a die hard fan to go 'see the game'. Why? Bc it's indoors. It's like a concert, but a sport, that you can go with friends/family. You know you'll have a pretty good time if you go. Bc there is no wind, snow, rain, or cold to deal with, so you'll know you'll at least be comfy. You can go nuts cheering for one side, or the other, and have a ball of a time, ALL the while seeing superstars clash. That's what LC is, and that's why it's successful since edition 1.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
the novelty might wear off if europe keeps winning, i do think they need to find a way to change up that formula. i know the tag line is when rivals became teammates but we cna have that and mix it up.
They need to introduce a 3rd element along with singles & doubles......seniors.

Let Mac come off the bench and play Borg for the final tiebreaker. Easy World win!
 

Peter Dervan

New User
Does anybody else think Feds forehand can go way off kilt these days in terms of shanking / mis-timing etc.. and that perhaps it’s because of the move away from the 90” ?! I know his backhand is better - agreed. But at what cost. I dunno. Just seems that way to me.
I was at the match tonight - he started great, but by middle of third set you could see his timing way off and he’d lost confidence in his groundies - was rushing the net to try win the game by experience and know-how, at least that’s what it felt like. He came out bashing a few at certain stages - but all in all - I think he was lucky to win the 3rd, and mid-4th set it was clear Dimitrov knew he should have him. (Still nearly bottled it serving 4th out!).

Have a look at Fed vs Agassi on YouTube , 2005 US Open... you’ll see the forehand we used to associate with Feds - not this 97” tweaked one.

I get the feeling most / everyone will disagree with me but hey ‍♂

PS. I was at the Rafa Cilic match too - and it was seriously impressive stuff. Can’t see past Rafa for the title.
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
Does anybody else think Feds forehand can go way off kilt these days in terms of shanking / mis-timing etc.. and that perhaps it’s because of the move away from the 90” ?! I know his backhand is better - agreed. But at what cost. I dunno. Just seems that way to me.
I was at the match tonight - he started great, but by middle of third set you could see his timing way off and he’d lost confidence in his groundies - was rushing the net to try win the game by experience and know-how, at least that’s what it felt like. He came out bashing a few at certain stages - but all in all - I think he was lucky to win the 3rd, and mid-4th set it was clear Dimitrov knew he should have him. (Still nearly bottled it serving 4th out!).

Have a look at Fed vs Agassi on YouTube , 2005 US Open... you’ll see the forehand we used to associate with Feds - not this 97” tweaked one.

I get the feeling most / everyone will disagree with me but hey ‍♂

PS. I was at the Rafa Cilic match too - and it was seriously impressive stuff. Can’t see past Rafa for the title.
You must've missed the part where he had back/neck issues before the match and played the whole match with it?

To answer you, yes, his FH was more potent with the 90. But the trade off with the 97 is worth it imo. Since AO17, we don't know how he'd do with the 90, but we do know he's won 3 slams and almost a 4th with the 97.
 

Peter Dervan

New User
Yes I saw that. But it sounded like he had those issues for the whole match. Unless they got worse.

But tonight aside - his FH in general just seems to go off every now and then, but in a big way.

Ps. Credit where due by the way - Grigor played amazing tonight I thought. Grigor with vs without confidence are two very different beasts. (Same for everyone I suppose).
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
Yes I saw that. But it sounded like he had those issues for the whole match. Unless they got worse.

But tonight aside - his FH in general just seems to go off every now and then, but in a big way.

Ps. Credit where due by the way - Grigor played amazing tonight I thought. Grigor with vs without confidence are two very different beasts. (Same for everyone I suppose).
We can't have it all. Since AO14, after switching to the 97, Fedr is 22-4 against Nadl/Murray/Stan with the 97. Pre-2013 (2013 was injury affected), with the 90, Nadl alone can win 4 over Fedr in a short time. Again, I think the change from the 90 to the 97 is worth it.
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
Conversely, you are entitled to your opinion, but it is officially an exo, and for a good reason. It has nothing to do with a serious competition and trick shots are not made only by Kyrgios. Federer and also Zverev also dipped their fingers in it, and there were many more situations (especially in doubles) where the players were obviously simply fooling around. I don't see how that is even a discussion. Even the results were staged so that the intrigue is sustained till the end. Otherwise Europe would have just rolled over the World for obvious reasons.

:cool:
By 'staged', I'm guessing you mean the day1=1pt, day2=2pt, day3=3pt? Then I agree. That needs to be worked on so that the possibility of a blowout is possible, and that the event can evolve to something more serious. I also think they should scrap the teams Europe vs. World, and make it so that the captains can take turn selecting any of the available players for their team. This will add intrigue and more balanced teams. Still, I thought the players played the matches seriously in the first 2 editions.
 
I've never commented on this thread but reading the comments of other fans is helping me cope with this loss.

Missed work today so I kept thinking about it and feeling sad.

Thank you everyone
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
The concept of Europe vs World is not new and since Federer is from Europe he got to chose Europe as one of the two main sides (I would imagine, if an Australian was doing it he could have chosen Australia vs World, or American America vs World). I don't think that it should be scraped as Europe has always had a very strong representation in tennis and World, well if there isn't enough variety out there then not much can be done. In any event the tournament needs to define sides so that people can cheer for them (i.e. have interest in it) .Yes, the format is an obvious giveaway, but I was talking about competition also. I don't know what exactly "seriously" entails. If you say that they were not throwing WTA serves out there, I agree. If you say that they are approaching it even as an ATP500 tournament, then I think you are wrong.

:cool:
By 'seriously', I meant that they play to win, and they care about the result of the match(es) that they play in. Does that compare to an ATP500? I don't know. In LC17, Kyrgios cried after losing to Fedr. In LC18, Isner was devastated after losing the TB to Fedr having MP(?). Kyrgios and Isner both really wanted it and played hard. Every player played hard enough where injury was realisticly possible. I don't see that in exos. An exo to me usually is hit-and-giggles, where the parties don't really care about the results, which is why they play half-hearted, or just do trick shots to elicit cheers from the crowd. The only difference I see from ATP matches and LC matches is that one rewards points while the other doesn't.
 

Rogfan

Semi-Pro
Like I said in match thread, although Fed was winning first set easily but as soon as I started checking scores and reading match thread, I had a terrible feeling. It was Millman match all over to me as I was doing exactly the same thing at work that day, so was I in 2017 when he lost to Delpo. Just such a bad omen, same desk, same phone, same google score, same TTW. Absolutely terrible. I was in hangover mode all day, still in big pain at the moment. Man these slam losses are just so painful and they’re getting more so, maybe knowing he doesn’t have many left in him. I don’t think even a Nadal loss will cheer me up much this time. Sport is just too cruel
 

Rogfan

Semi-Pro
Part of me want to think ‘USO you get what you deserve. You scheduled Fed at night wanting to milk him out for cash now you’ve lost all the cash you could make for semis and final’. But hey that’s very naive as this is a slam, it will survive whoever are left in the draw but Fed didn’t :cry:
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
By 'seriously', I meant that they play to win, and they care about the result of the match(es) that they play in. Does that compare to an ATP500? I don't know. In LC17, Kyrgios cried after losing to Fedr. In LC18, Isner was devastated after losing the TB to Fedr having MP(?). Kyrgios and Isner both really wanted it and played hard. Every player played hard enough where injury was realisticly possible. I don't see that in exos. An exo to me usually is hit-and-giggles, where the parties don't really care about the results, which is why they play half-hearted, or just do trick shots to elicit cheers from the crowd. The only difference I see from ATP matches and LC matches is that one rewards points while the other doesn't.
i dont get this rigged comment, like what are they staging when balls clip the net or something, which is what happened during the fed/isner match? w/e its enjoyable and if people want to call it upgraded exho they can. maybe tennis just needs to let certain events find its place in the sport and help it grow.
 

Rogfan

Semi-Pro
Fed just has not been good enough. Time to move on and accept that he might indeed end up as the 3rd best of his time. It is what it is.

After the Wimb loss, he doesn't deserve to keep the slam record. No one with such an embarrassing loss deserves it.
From match thread. I thought this poster was a Fed fan?? It’s really this kind of post that really infuriates me after a loss
 
Part of me want to think ‘USO you get what you deserve. You scheduled Fed at night wanting to milk him out for cash now you’ve lost all the cash you could make for semis and final’. But hey that’s very naive as this is a slam, it will survive whoever are left in the draw but Fed didn’t :cry:
Fed said the back problems started during the day. Unless you think the scheduling caused it.
 

TennisManiac

Professional
I've been a huge Fed fan since he won Junior Wimbledon. I can't bare to watch him anymore. The loss at Wimbledon pretty much did it for me. But the loss last night sealed the deal. He'll never be in another major final ever again. The question is.... will Nadal pass his Slam record?. Time will tell.
 

fedfan08

Semi-Pro
Why do I get the feeling Roger is downplaying his back issues and in a few days we’ll find out from Swiss media the real story? It seems like whenever he has back issues they’re worse than he lets on. I guess we’ll know for sure when Laver Cup comes and how much he plays there. I hope he doesn’t feel obligated to play. He can still be there cheering on the team.
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
I said on the Dimitrov/Federer match thread that we cannot look past Dimitrov. Fed’s level can turn on a dime, whether it’s from an injury, or it’s simply a bad day at the office. The older you get, the more off days that you have. This is something that many of the greats from the past have said. The percentage of great matches played drops immensely with age. This is why Fed’s record of 23 consecutive slam semis and 10 straight slam finals is so remarkable. It means that for 5 3/4 years, at his very, Fed was in the slam semis.

I am happy that he made 2 straight slam semis at his advanced age. Hopefully next year, he can make two slam semis. That will be a win.

I truly believe that Fed is done winning slam titles. But that’s ok. He’s 38. Nobody in the Open Era has won a slam title at 38. But I still love watching Fed play. Every now and then, we get a gem of a match from the old guy. As fans, we need to take the bad with the good. That’s what makes us fans, not bandwagon spectators.

Thanks for a memorable season, Fed. You were a blast to watch at the slams this year. The run to the semis at the FO was incredible. Fed’s clay season stunned the heck out of me. It was awesome.
 

Breakpointerer

Hall of Fame
I said on the Dimitrov/Federer match thread that we cannot look past Dimitrov. Fed’s level can turn on a dime, whether it’s from an injury, or it’s simply a bad day at the office. The older you get, the more off days that you have. This is something that many of the greats from the past have said. The percentage of great matches played drops immensely with age. This is why Fed’s record of 23 consecutive slam semis and 10 straight slam finals is so remarkable. It means that for 5 3/4 years, at his very, Fed was in the slam semis.

I am happy that he made 2 straight slam semis at his advanced age. Hopefully next year, he can make two slam semis. That will be a win.

I truly believe that Fed is done winning slam titles. But that’s ok. He’s 38. Nobody in the Open Era has won a slam title at 38. But I still love watching Fed play. Every now and then, we get a gem of a match from the old guy. As fans, we need to take the bad with the good. That’s what makes us fans, not bandwagon spectators.

Thanks for a memorable season, Fed. You were a blast to watch at the slams this year. The run to the semis at the FO was incredible. Fed’s clay season stunned the heck out of me. It was awesome.
Nothing more needs to be said really.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
From a legacy perspective, Fed came up short at the USO because of USO09 and USO15. Fed should have cleaned up those two and ran away with the USO titles lead. I am perfectly ok with all the other finals lost. These will keep irking me for a long long time.

Nadal has a chance to tie Fed at the USO is hard to fathom.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
@Lleytonstation He called this USO before it even started, mentioning several times that Fed is just done by the time of the USO and just has nothing left in the tank by the time September rolls around. His level of play at the USO has been weirdly erratic there for years. He was vintage Fed against Goffin, then gets injured and plays horribly against Dimitrov. It's especially disappointing because the weather was perfect this fortnight with low humidity and mild temps.
 

Breakpointerer

Hall of Fame
@Lleytonstation He called this USO before it even started, mentioning several times that Fed is just done by the time of the USO and just has nothing left in the tank by the time September rolls around. His level of play at the USO has been weirdly erratic there for years. He was vintage Fed against Goffin, then gets injured and plays horribly against Dimitrov. It's especially disappointing because the weather was perfect this fortnight with low humidity and mild temps.
USO is just not happening. If he's going to win another the best chance is at Wimbledon, but it's extremely doubtful. He will be nearly 39 next Wimbly.
 
@Lleytonstation He called this USO before it even started, mentioning several times that Fed is just done by the time of the USO and just has nothing left in the tank by the time September rolls around. His level of play at the USO has been weirdly erratic there for years. He was vintage Fed against Goffin, then gets injured and plays horribly against Dimitrov. It's especially disappointing because the weather was perfect this fortnight with low humidity and mild temps.
That is why I am not hugely worried. He will have a decent second half, assuming his injury is not bad. Then everything re-ups at AO with not a lot of points to defend.

That being said, I do think the amount of times he wakes up on the wrong side of the bed have dramatically increased in the last 6 months. Fed played way too much this year. I expect next year he will skip some tourneys he usually attends.
 

Breakpointerer

Hall of Fame
That is why I am not hugely worried. He will have a decent second half, assuming his injury is not bad. Then everything re-ups at AO with not a lot of points to defend.

That being said, I do think the amount of times he wakes up on the wrong side of the bed have dramatically increased in the last 6 months. Fed played way too much this year. I expect next year he will skip some tourneys he usually attends.
I think he skips the clay next year, so that'll decrease his schedule.
 
From a legacy perspective, Fed came up short at the USO because of USO09 and USO15. Fed should have cleaned up those two and ran away with the USO titles lead. I am perfectly ok with all the other finals lost. These will keep irking me for a long long time.

Nadal has a chance to tie Fed at the USO is hard to fathom.
Not that crazy when Fed has not won it in over a decade...
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
That is why I am not hugely worried. He will have a decent second half, assuming his injury is not bad. Then everything re-ups at AO with not a lot of points to defend.

That being said, I do think the amount of times he wakes up on the wrong side of the bed have dramatically increased in the last 6 months. Fed played way too much this year. I expect next year he will skip some tourneys he usually attends.
Fedr played a tiny too much this year so far (specifically Rome), but his schedule for 2019 with a slight tweak is fine, imo.

I think this is good for Fedr 2020, allowing enough match play and rest (Miami added being a bit much, but it's hc and he'll have a big break right after):

Brisbane/HC(if it still exists)
AO
Dubai/Rotterdam
IW
Miami
Madrid
RG
Halle
WB
Cinci
USO
Shanghai
Basel
WTF

It's basically the same schedule since 2017, and I think it's a good balance. If he skips too much, he'll lose match rhythm. Sure, sparse scheduling will give more rest, but he'll risk losing a ton of matches being not match fit enough when he does play if he takes a sparse scheduling approach. Remember, he's 38, so he'll simply lose more matches per year. Minor injury pops up randomly for anyone, not just the 38yo. Look at Djokr, 32, and shoulder issue. But Fedr's only lost 7 matches so far. His record for 2019 is still great.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
I think he skips the clay next year, so that'll decrease his schedule.
I would bet the house he's not playing clay ever again. And I actually think the Tokyo Olympics are not a priority and he skips that as well. At 38/39 his schedule really should look like this:

AO
Dubai
Indian Wells
Halle
Wimbledon
Cincy
USO
Shanghai
Basel
YEC (if he qualifies)

That's 10 events, which is more than enough for someone his age.
 
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