MeatTornado
Legend
It affects his bottom line of total Masters won or "Big Titles" won if you care about that number. That's it.
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AceSalvo
Legend
No, that just not it. Fed was nullified of his chances to equally represent his result on his fav surface. Thats a huge hole in the "Big Titles" which is a bogus # in any case.
oldmanfan
Hall of Fame
It's not so cut and dry. For instance, Fedr's many losses to Nadl on clay masters likely dented his confidence going forward hugely. Had there been grass masters, Fedr highly likely would have many more wins over Djokodal (and also against all tier 2 players like Berdych/Tsonga/Delpo/etc.), and the extra confidence would lower the amount of future losses. We can't deny the butterfly effect it would have to Fedr's future wins/losses (see: WB08 after the RG08 beatdown. Fedr said the RG08 loss affected him for the first 2 sets of WB08 finals, and he went down 0-2 sets. He almost salvaged it, but it proved too much in the end.)
AceSalvo
Legend
Its shameful how Tornado watered it down likes it nothing. Shameful. But its not the first time that poster is called out on his nonsense. Right @Tennis_Hands?
Lleytonstation
Legend
I definitely agree it sucks that Fed never has the chance to win masters on grass like djoker and Rafa get all the time. Big disparity when using these so called "big titles."
That being said, I don't think @MeatTornado is disagreeing. I think he is saying "it is what it is" in theory.
Unfortunately for us Fed fans, our argument, or the truth, simply will fall on deaf ears as the Rafa and Djoker fans won't care.
FedFosterWallace
G.O.A.T.
AceSalvo
Legend
Thats not what he said. HE said this "But saying he's achieved everything against all odds is a bit much imo. "
Fed did achieve all those big titles against all odd's having Clay GOAT and HC GOAT in the same era when there was only 1 title in fav of Fed.
Big Tiles started being a "thing" only recently. It has no meaning and ATP would have been called out had it been used earlier.
oldmanfan
Hall of Fame
Look on the flip side. Fedr set the mark at 20 slems and a million other records DESPITE the tour keep changing things to favor his 2 nearest rivals (and there's no sign of it stopping, I mean, 2 defensive baseliners winning Wimby, and more than once?)
Fedr. GOAT's gonna GOAT, no?
AceSalvo
Legend
Yea, and USO slowing down their courts to death like slow poison. Its further proof how pretty much everything was against Fed.Look on the flip side. Fedr set the mark at 20 slems and a million other records DESPITE the tour keep changing things to favor his 2 nearest rivals (and there's no sign of it stopping, I mean, 2 defensive baseliners winning Wimby, and more than once?)
Fedr. GOAT's gonna GOAT, no?
Lleytonstation
Legend
No denying they want Fed gone, and they have done everything to make it happen, and still failed. But as @FedFosterWallace always reminds us... in the end, we know who will be the most celebrated tennis player of all time...Look on the flip side. Fedr set the mark at 20 slems and a million other records DESPITE the tour keep changing things to favor his 2 nearest rivals (and there's no sign of it stopping, I mean, 2 defensive baseliners winning Wimby, and more than once?)
Fedr. GOAT's gonna GOAT, no?
oldmanfan
Hall of Fame
Still love that kit. Iconic.No denying they want Fed gone, and they have done everything to make it happen, and still failed. But as @FedFosterWallace always reminds us... in the end, we know who will be the most celebrated tennis player of all time...
Lleytonstation
Legend
Having two ATG's chasing him 5 and 6 years younger while they have nobody with even slams chasing them is the biggest flaw, or failure in tennis right now.
Lleytonstation
Legend
If it was not for his slam win with it, I would disagree.
AceSalvo
Legend
Yes, I had been waiting for some valid competition since 2014. Every year since then was nothing but a disaster from a NExt Gen perspective. Zero performance in Masters. Unbelievable.
Lleytonstation
Legend
Yep, history will show it after the storm settles.
oldmanfan
Hall of Fame
Agreed. Man, tennis will be in a heap of trouble if no ATGs show up before all Big3 retire. What would they have to sell to the non-diehard fans?
AceSalvo
Legend
The "big titles" poster on the ATP front page and a link that leads to the Legends match between the Big 3. I am pretty sure that will make more money for ATP than the main tour.
oldmanfan
Hall of Fame
Lleytonstation
Legend
Non diehard fans? More like the diehard fans that understand what is taking place and will shake their heads in disgust.
Casual fan will never know as their NK antics and others will keep them entertained.
Lleytonstation
Legend
I would be down for that. 40 year olds still playing to get revenge at each other. Forget slams and big titles. The next wave is Legend slams.The thing is...
you may be right...
yokied
Professional
He's definitely right. There are a lot of scores remaining to be settled and people only care about these guys and their relationship to Fed. I can just see all the H2H arguments now.The thing is...
you may be right...
I don't see Rafa participating because he'll barely be able to walk when he retires. Fedovic legends matches might happen if Novak maintains this desperate need to be loved and they will sell out. In all likelihood Roger will absolutely steamroll Novak over 40.
gn
G.O.A.T.
Decent year for Federer up until this point after the sloppy start at AO. 1 Masters title, runner up at Indian Wells and almost winning Wimby.
I hope he finishes the year with a strong showing in Indoors. We need to see how he is playing at Laver Cup.
I did not watch the Laver Cup past two years dismissing it as exo. Do participants actually take it serious?
I hope he finishes the year with a strong showing in Indoors. We need to see how he is playing at Laver Cup.
I did not watch the Laver Cup past two years dismissing it as exo. Do participants actually take it serious?
Lleytonstation
Legend
I will say this for our Fed fans, we are loyal. Take a look at the recent Rafa and Djoker fans turning on their own. Two went off on Rafa and djoker and another 2 left for Med
Winning? @FedFosterWallace
Winning? @FedFosterWallace
FedFosterWallace
G.O.A.T.
Our ranks are thinning, tho, dude.I will say this for our Fed fans, we are loyal. Take a look at the recent Rafa and Djoker fans turning on their own. Two went off on Rafa and djoker and another 2 left for Med
Winning? @FedFosterWallace
Here's my thing: These poor folks are gonna learn their lesson sooner or later...
Why not advance their knowledge base? Service with a sneer, na'mean?
Lleytonstation
Legend
For sure, in the 5 months I have been here, I have noticed not only a sharp drop in activity, but many have simply disappeared.Our ranks are thinning, tho, dude.
oldmanfan
Hall of Fame
They do, and this was before the ATP endorsed it for this year. Take a look:
Also, Isner devastated after this near win (I thought he had it, too):
Lleytonstation
Legend
I do enjoy LC for many reasons. That being said, I have my doubts on the true emotion that they have here. I won't say they are faking it, but it does feel forced at times.
Either way, it definitely does not hurt anything and makes for a fun and unique tennis weekend. Must keep.
oldmanfan
Hall of Fame
It's a good event. Where else can we have 3 generations of great tennis players interact and have such a serious, yet fun, contest with real points played (not like the hit-and-giggle charity events, although they're great for good causes). And it's only 3 days, in the middle of the lul after USO. Yet, so many are so bent out of shape about it.
oldmanfan
Hall of Fame
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FatFedererFanTurnsSlim
Semi-Pro
40-15 was a massive deathblow. I wrote "I love you, you beautiful beautiful man" in anticipation of victory on my twitter, waiting to press Ctrl+Enter. No wonder many fans left.Our ranks are thinning, tho, dude.
Here's my thing: These poor folks are gonna learn their lesson sooner or later...
Why not advance their knowledge base? Service with a sneer, na'mean?
I'm kinda still down on that more than Wapha winning New York Challenger for the 4th time.
Breakpointerer
Hall of Fame
Love this thread. It's like a peaceful sanctuary amidst the rest of GPPD. Keep it going, guys.
MeatTornado
Legend
Arvind Sridhar
Rookie
Yes, its been a good year....Akin to 2011, 2014-2015. Despite not getting a slam, his overall level of play has been pretty good as compared to 2008 or 2018.
Third Serve
Hall of Fame
He was much better in the Slams in 2008 though.
Arvind Sridhar
Rookie
While I agree that he played the slams well, he was a mess in all the other tournaments. He left 2008 with a lot of dark clouds hanging around his future as a tennis pro almost to the level where Borg predicted his eventual retirement in a few months. And the end of 2018 wasn't rosy either...Honestly his baseline game from this year's the best its been in a while and his results in the summer on the clay and the grass prove that. If anything its been the first serve that's taken a hit. It seems to have lost some of the pop from 2014-2015. The fact that he still leads the field in the service games won is proof that he's upped his baseline game... Sorry for going off on a tangent, but I see Federer with this year's baseline game and his serve from 2014-15 winning Wimbledon fairly comfortably...It's difficult for Federer at such an advanced age to have every aspect of his game working like in his prime....But the guy still keeps soldiering on..
BeatlesFan
Talk Tennis Guru
At 40-15, I was crying, feeling euphoric and on top of the world, ready to leap up and celebrate. At the end of the match, I was pretty sad.
But I didn't leave this Forum or leave Federer fandom. Those who left were never fans to begin with and I can't imagine anybody arguing otherwise. Fed has won Wimbledon 8 times, it's not like we all haven't gotten a lot of great moments watching him win there. The bitter comes with the sweet with almost everything in life.
BeatlesFan
Talk Tennis Guru
Are you kidding? Two Rafa fans dumped him and jumped on the Med train?I will say this for our Fed fans, we are loyal. Take a look at the recent Rafa and Djoker fans turning on their own. Two went off on Rafa and djoker and another 2 left for Med
Lleytonstation
Legend
Yep, beltsman jumped rafa ship for Med and some djoker fan.Are you kidding? Two Rafa fans dumped him and jumped on the Med train?
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
ehh, 2008 was still a prime year and he got to 3 slam finals, winning one of them. its just not comparable because he has also changed his style a bit since, add to that his racket change
MeatTornado
Legend
Yeah it has to be graded on a different curve when he was going into 08 as a dominant number 1. Entering 2019 as a 37 year old, just competing well and winning one slam would've made it an immaculate season.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
i also think he was still a different player in his prime, 2008-2009 was still different than his new resurgence in 2017-2019. I know people reference the bh in 2017 and will often oh he was a much better player in 2017 than his post peak prime years, but i dont believe that. His fh imo was definitely different, he still had his older racket. he was much quicker, just compare the AO 2009. Its just different because fed has re-tooled his game to be all out aggressive where as i htink he had no issue from the baseline. I mean ffs he had winning record against novak during that time, so its still remarkably different.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
i'm cautiously excited. I looked at team world's line up and it might as well be team north america with 1 australian. Go figure as well that they are all primarily english speaking too. I wouldn't put it past John Mcenroe to think of the world like that but idk what taylor fritz is going to add. Jack sock makes sense because of doubles.
Nonetheless it being in switzerland has to be special for fed. I just hope that once this 3 year sort of trial run is over, he and tony can re-evaluate the team vs world aspect of it because idk how long it can be sustained. I certainly don't want world beating europe in fed's country, but if it becomes 3-0, will people still tune next year and after that
MeatTornado
Legend
The racket change definitely changed his whole game and pretty much flipped the two head to heads. He needs that bigger backhand to stand up to Nadal's lefty barrage, but he needed the old forehand to hit through Novak's defenses.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
I'd also say his slice was better (could be wrong) with the older racket
Breakpointerer
Hall of Fame
Watching Fed's winner speech at AO 2018 and getting emotionalWhat's up Fedheads ?
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
speaking of, I know I'm petty, but why was there a slide show of what rafa did to get to 19, but not fed to get to 20 or did I miss that? I get all the extra stuff done for rafa at rg especially when he achieved la decima, but really curious.
My favorite thing to do is just keep watching AO 2017 5th set. That one set is filled with great tennis, drama, tension and fed flipping the script to prove all his detractors wrong especially again the "greatest fighter' of all time
Breakpointerer
Hall of Fame
Yep, watched that one yesterday.
Not sure about the slideshow thing, though.
Otacon
Hall of Fame
Yeah great moment with that long standing ovation.
As for me, I'm looking for Fed's winner speech at Wimbledon 2019, but can't find it on YouTube. I'll try dailymotion