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MeatTornado

Legend
Considering the above, combined with the statement that nothing could have been gained from him because of the "inevitability" of the outcome, you actually did say it. You said it in other words and in two separate posts, but the idea is clearly visible, hence the summation that I did and the question whether you object against what I wrote.

Anything else that you object against?

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BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Roger today discussing today his decision about Paris and revealing he had a "stiff back" at last year's YEC.

How fit do you feel? Fit enough to play in Paris-Bercy next week?

I'm happy how I feel. I could play in Paris, but I don't know if I should. We have a team meeting on Monday, which I have had scheduled for some time. It's not just about the next week, but much more.

What will you discuss exactly?

We'll put everything on the table for the next twelve months. We will discuss everything, like how we'll organize everything. First of all, I start with the family. It is important where my children, my wife and I feel happiest on the tour. I want to spend as much time with my children as possible. I don't often want to be without them.. Then we have to discuss how to prepare for the tournaments and the travel. Where I want to reach my peak. And also how important the ranking is for me. If it doesn't matter, it will affect my schedule. I do not have to play much to play well. I often play better when I am relaxed and full of energy. We do not often have such fundamental discussions, only about twice a year.

At the US Open, you felt excellent, then suddenly you had back issues. Do you have that in mind? How do you listen into your body?

I'm not afraid I would hurt myself if I went to Paris. But last year London had a stiff back. My goal is for me to travel 100 per cent to London. And if I can do that and not win, even though I put everything into the balance, that's okay. Then I can accept that.

Do you also give the ATP finals a higher priority this time because you have not won a Grand Slam tournament this year?

I played well at the Grand Slams this year. But unfortunately it did not quite work out. Yes, maybe this will make the ATP final even more important for me. I know, the level is there. The self-confidence too. I've been training top in the last six months, it could not have been better.
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More interesting Roger remarks in the full interview:

https://www.bazonline.ch/29144882
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Please keep misquoting and purposely misunderstanding what I said.
Sorry, even if I fully understand your point of view (and I do, health is of prime importance and an ATP 500 event is 1500 less points than slam and hence less important), it was still a garbage comment. Fed is 38, any title helps his cause.

Fed needs to keep chugging at those titles. #110incoming.

Saying things like "misquoting", "other's don't understand" sounds like someone who accepted defeat.
 
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AceSalvo

Legend
"Would have happened" expresses certainty, and if Federer was going by that logic, he should have not beaten Nadal ever again after 2014. That continues to be the red ribbon that ties up all your posts: put down the great man whenever possible, and especially in scenarios where it is a speculation.

You analysis of Djokovic's Wimbledon performance is, of course, geared towards that, so it comes as no surprise that substantial objectivity is lacking in it: how else would we view the total lack of mentioning of his extremely clutch level of play where it mattered the most or his virtually flawless TBs with no UEs. Oh, how you forgot while explaining that it was a "weaker" version of Djokovic. Don't worry, your cookie cutter analysis is familiar from before.

So, to sum it up nicely, your opinion is that Federer is better off losing in earlier rounds than reaching later rounds of tournaments, because of his supposed "inferiority". Please correct the parts of this sentence that do not reflect what you just said.

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Lol at the "weaker version of Novak at Wimbledon" garbage, right?. Just late reading through lot of garbage here.

Djoko was the "heavy" fav for Wimbledon as I remember and he virtually had a bye in the SF. Adv. Djoko all the way.

Djoko always catches Fed when Fed is down. Back from injury 2013 and then 2014 Wimb Final. Playing with a new stick 2014 then 2015 Wimb Final. Back from injury 2018 and then 2019 Wimb final.
 
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AceSalvo

Legend
He does that on purpose: as though nothing outside of Majors matters. Everything else is a failure etc etc. The populist view currently peddled by every Federer detractor and his dog: in anticipation that Federer will be surpassed. The defeatist mentality (oh, Djokovic is waiting in the final, Fed is doomed) etc etc. Basically making a parody of a fan. Interesting, what exactly he DOES support as a Federer fan? It is not Federer's game, since if it was, he would be happy that Federer just played a good tournament, which he called "garbage". It is not his belief that Federer can beat his biggest opponents, since he states everywhere he can that he doesn't believe that to be the case. It is not Federer's overall success, since titles, unless Majors are irrelevant. Basically his whole point is to distill his position to right where Fed detractors want the fanbase: supposedly being all about the Majors count and supposedly outside of Federer's control. With such "fans" Federer doesn't need detractors.

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Yeah, I did get that gibberish vibe from his posts many years ago though and its least surprising that he posts it on the Fed News thread.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
I give full credit to Djokovic for every win, including those that he won by the skin of his teeth, but after the imperial performance Federer put in that Wimbledon final at 38 years old to continue with the BS how Federer just doesn't have chances vs Novak is out of this world ugly. Ditto for demeaning Federer's successes. The man is pushing boundaries and he deserves all the admiration in the world for being amazing.

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Absolutely true. Every real Fed fan feels the same. Can't say the same about the flaky ones.

So, when are we going to discuss about Djokdal not having a valid NextGen since 2015 enabling them to "stat-padding". Why is there problem with only Fed "stat-padding". LOL.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Sorry I don't toe the party line of team Fed and actually have unpopular opinions.

You can F right off if you think that makes me not a "real" fan.
 
Absolutely true. Every real Fed fan feels the same. Can't say the same about the flaky ones.

So, when are we going to discuss about Djokdal not having a valid NextGen since 2015 enabling them to "stat-padding". Why is there problem with only Fed "stat-padding". LOL.
Fed can beat Djoker for sure, in fact, I think his WC actually proves that, and next time they meet, I do think Fed has a real good chance. I mean Fed truly was the better player in that match. Djoker has dropped his level more than Fed over the past year.

So if Fed comes in with his top level tennis... I would take Fed over Djoker.
 
I have been following Federer during all his career from the get go: one of the defining characteristics of his professional attitude is that the man has a rock solid belief that he can beat ANYONE, if he is playing his best tennis. He is also one of the most resilient and capable competitors that sport has ever seen. I think that any Federer fan has by now realised that. There is no reason to start thinking otherwise after the numerous proofs that that is so. On top of that, he is doing amazing things. Amazing.

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Yep, as bad as WC19 was, it says Fed not only can beat him, if Fed plays a few more crucial points better, he easily can beat him. Even at AO, as Fed has only one less slam...
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Yep, Djoker has not looked unbeatable since AO, where Fed has at times. When Fed is on (yes, less often these days), but when he is on, I think he beats Djoker. Simple as that. In fact, I see Fed playing Djoker with a much more care free and aggressive play next time he plays Djoker.

Djoker is declining his level, Fed is just having less "on" days.

Fed came off from an injured 2018. What lower level did Djoko drop to since Wimb 2018??

"Djoker has dropped his level more than Fed over the past year", is just a wrong statement.
 
Fed came off from an injured 2018. What lower level did Djoko drop to since Wimb 2018??

"Djoker has dropped his level more than Fed over the past year", is just a wrong statement.
Have you watched Djoker play since AO? Where do you see him playing incredible levels? I have seen Fed do it several times. Not saying he WILL beat Djoker, but am saying he definitely has a good shot.

Djoker looked good when? When he should have lost WC? Or his loss at RG to Thiem? Tell me...
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
I have been following Federer during all his career from the get go: one of the defining characteristics of his professional attitude is that the man has a rock solid belief that he can beat ANYONE, if he is playing his best tennis. He is also one of the most resilient and capable competitors that sport has ever seen. I think that any Federer fan has by now realised that. There is no reason to start thinking otherwise after the numerous proofs that that is so. On top of that, he is doing amazing things. Amazing.

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Well stated. After IW19/Miami19, out of everyone, Fedr had the most 2019 points (and match wins?) even tho he didn't go deep at AO19 (unlike Tsitsi, Nadl, and ditto Djokr). At this very moment, Fedr has 50 match wins, but Djokodal each has 48. Of course they have the slam trophies, which is big, but shouldn't they leave Fedr in the dust in all stats if they are so clearly better? And Fedr spotted them 5-6 yrs, not while he's 30, but 38! The Old Man is right there with the best of them. Full stop.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Have you watched Djoker play since AO? Where do you see him playing incredible levels? I have seen Fed do it several times. Not saying he WILL beat Djoker, but am saying he definitely has a good shot.

Djoker looked good when? When he should have lost WC? Or his loss at RG to Thiem? Tell me...
I didnt see anything different since 2015 regarding Djoko.

Djoko was beatable back in 2015/2016 and he was beaten. Possibly injured in 2017 and back to 2015/16 level in 2018. Nothing has changed regarding Djoko over the last year.
 
I didnt see anything different since 2015 regarding Djoko.

Djoko was beatable back in 2015/2016 and he was beaten. Possibly injured in 2017 and back to 2015/16 level in 2018. Nothing has changed regarding Djoko over the last year.
But I do. Less stamina. Less engaged. Less offensive. Not as good defensively. Almost everything looks slightly worse. Has shown in results as well.
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
No you Fed devotee, stop cheating readers. :-D
What's lost in the Fedr fury this week is that he just won an indoors fast-court (more upsets, no?) tourney, dropping just 18 games! That includes a win against a well playing future #1 and current world #7 in Tsitsipas. That's peak Nadl #s on clay. But sure, anyone and everyone will just waltz over Fedr :eek:.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
But I do. Less stamina. Less engaged. Less offensive. Not as good defensively. Almost everything looks slightly worse.
"looks slightly worse"?? Thats a huge deviation from "Djoker has dropped his level more than Fed over the past year ".

Djoko looked pretty solid since 2018 WC. His result shows. Fed over the last year was struggling to reach SF's let alone finals.
 
"looks slightly worse"?? Thats a huge deviation from "Djoker has dropped his level more than Fed over the past year ".

Djoko looked pretty solid since 2018 WC. His result shows. Fed over the last year was struggling to reach SF's let alone finals.
I have not seen a dominant Djoker since AO. I have seen a dominant Fed on a couple occasions since that time. Yes, Djoker has maybe had an overall better level, but Fed has reached a higher level since AO.

So yeah... Djoker has dropped his level more than Fed. Unless you are saying Fed looked better at this time last year, and that Djoker has not dropped his level the past few months?
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
Djokovic might have more ups and downs, but when he dials his game this year, he is every bit as formidable as his 2016 self. He is par for the course for producing a better year than 2016 too, so I tend to agree with AceSalvo that it is splitting hairs when he had better form and results.

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I see your and @AceSalvo 's view.

But I agree with @Lleytonstation on this, and I've been saying it since the beginning of the year. Djokr's only real convincing stretch was at the AO19 only (Tokyo19 too, but his path was very week, so hard to tell). He's only won 48 matches this year thru Basel. Since WB18, Djokr lost to RBA 2x, Tsitsipas 2x, 1x to Khachanov, 1x to Z after destroying him 2-3 days before in RR, and lost to Medv from a winning position. Yes, his 2019 season looks on track to beat his 2016 results-wise (2 slams vs 1), but that has a lot to do with being clutch, with a huge dose of luck. I mean winning 5 straight TBs against Fedr, with the last 3 making zero UEs? That's 5 TB wins against the best TB player in history, so luck definitely plays a role. He might pick up his form at Bercy/WTF, but Tokyo is the only one where he seems to have played really well since AO19, but again, that was against very easy competition, so hard to say. Also, Djokr just lost to Tsitsipas 2 weeks ago from a set up, but Fedr just destroyed a similar-level Tsitsipas yesterday.

Either way, this Bercy/WTF seems to be the most interesting of the last 3 years.

Chum Jetze!
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Fed over the last year was struggling to reach SF's let alone finals.

Unless you are saying Fed looked better at this time last year, and that Djoker has not dropped his level the past few months?
Read again what I said about Fed over the last year.

Why this shift to "Djoker has not dropped his level the past few months". Past few months is the same few months what happened to Djoko after FO 2016 final.
 
Djokovic might have more ups and downs, but when he dials his game this year, he is every bit as formidable as his 2016 self. He is par for the course for producing a better year than 2016 too, so I tend to agree with AceSalvo that it is splitting hairs when he had better form and results.

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When did we get talking about 2016, I am talking about last year to this year. He finished the season with 5 finals and 3 wins to finish the season last year. Not even an option this year.

He was 42-4 to finish 2018.

He as of now is 13-3.

Much less dominant. But it shows with the eye test as well.

But really all I am trying to say is that I believe Fed has a real shot at beating Djoker next time they play... if Fed is having one of his "good" days.
 
Read again what I said about Fed over the last year.

Why this shift to "Djoker has not dropped his level the past few months". Past few months is the same few months what happened to Djoko after FO 2016 final.
I have no clue what you are trying to say. All I know is that I am not buying that Djoker is playing at an unreal level, and I think Fed CAN beat him.

Also believe Rafa could beat him, and Tsitsipas, and Med Berr... so, that is all I am saying. Fed has simply showed his best level of tennis since AO is better than Djokers best level.
 
I see your and @AceSalvo 's view.

But I agree with @Lleytonstation on this, and I've been saying it since the beginning of the year. Djokr's only real convincing stretch was at the AO19 only (Tokyo19 too, but his path was very week, so hard to tell). He's only won 48 matches this year thru Basel. Since WB18, Djokr lost to RBA 2x, Tsitsipas 2x, 1x to Khachanov, 1x to Z after destroying him 2-3 days before in RR, and lost to Medv from a winning position. Yes, his 2019 season looks on track to beat his 2016 results-wise (2 slams vs 1), but that has a lot to do with being clutch, with a huge dose of luck. I mean winning 5 straight TBs against Fedr, with the last 3 making zero UEs? That's 5 TB wins against the best TB player in history, so luck definitely plays a role. He might pick up his form at Bercy/WTF, but Tokyo is the only one where he seems to have played really well since AO19, but again, that was against very easy competition, so hard to say. Also, Djokr just lost to Tsitsipas 2 weeks ago from a set up, but Fedr just destroyed a similar-level Tsitsipas yesterday.

Either way, this Bercy/WTF seems to be the most interesting of the last 3 years.

Chum Jetze!
Is he playing?
 

AceSalvo

Legend
I have no clue what you are trying to say. All I know is that I am not buying that Djoker is playing at an unreal level, and I think Fed CAN beat him.
Same here, not sure what you meant by "Djoker has dropped his level more than Fed over the past year". I am not buying that Fed was playing only slightly less better last year to compare that with Djoko's drop in level. Fed's level was pretty bad last year until IW19.
 

oldmanfan

Hall of Fame
Same here, not sure what you meant by "Djoker has dropped his level more than Fed over the past year". I am not buying that Fed was playing only slightly less better last year to compare that with Djoko's drop in level. Fed's level was pretty bad last year until IW19.
oooooh, I get you now.


You're saying, over the past year,:

Fedr improvements > Djokr's decline

I agree. ;)
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
What are all these incredibly off
Sorry I don't toe the party line of team Fed and actually have unpopular opinions.

You can F right off if you think that makes me not a "real" fan.
If you would simply stop replying to all this nonsense or put these people on ignore, it would mercifully end. None of the rest of us on his sub-forum want to wade through this s--t anyway. This is supposed to be about Roger Federer, not petty-assed fighting with strangers on the 'net. The Nadal and Djokovic news forums aren't plagued by this garbage, lucky for them.
 
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Same here, not sure what you meant by "Djoker has dropped his level more than Fed over the past year". I am not buying that Fed was playing only slightly less better last year to compare that with Djoko's drop in level. Fed's level was pretty bad last year until IW19.
How about this, let's agree Fed is awesome and got to 103 today so yay! Cause I don't even know what I am trying to say at this point. :X3:
 

MeatTornado

Legend
What are all these incredibly off

If you would simply stop replying to all this nonsense or put these people on ignore, it would mercifully end. None of the rest of us on his sub-forum want to wade through this s--t anyway. This is supposed to be about Roger Federer, not petty-assed fighting with strangers on the 'net. The Nadal and Djokovic news forums aren't plagued by this garbage, lucky for them.
Sorry, BF. I know.
 
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