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Breakpointerer

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Roger's going to take a hit on his points unless he pulls off a true miracle and wins RG. He's defending a total of 1440 clay points. A top 4 seeding at Wimbledon is almost a must at this point and Thiem is coming up fast on his heels.
Needs to play a clay warmup.
Thankfully he didn't lose points at the AO- he was awfully close to doing it.
 

oldmanfan

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Roger's going to take a hit on his points unless he pulls off a true miracle and wins RG. He's defending a total of 1440 clay points. A top 4 seeding at Wimbledon is almost a must at this point and Thiem is coming up fast on his heels.
Interesting point.

I was curious, so I looked a bit into it. Here are WB20 top5-seeding-race points so far (which includes WB19):

1) Djokr: 10585
2) Nadl: 6350
3) Medv: 5110
4) Fedr: 5025
5) Thiem: 3893

In order for Fedr to NOT be seeded top4 at WB20, BOTH Medv & Thiem would have to outperform Fedr going into WB20.
Possible, but no likely.

edit: btw, current year's pre-WB20 grass tournies (Stuttgart20, Halle20, Eastbourne20) would be counted 2x (it has been this way).
 
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MeatTornado

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As always, his season isn't set in stone right now. He leaves it open to adjustment for a reason.

It's more likely to change due to form, health or fatigue than ranking points.
 

Pheasant

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At this stage of his career, I would be happy to see Fed get one more slam Semi this year, 2 small titles(500 points each), and a semi at the WTF. That would likely land him in the top 5 at the end of the year when he’s 39.
 

oldmanfan

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At this stage of his career, I would be happy to see Fed get one more slam Semi this year, 2 small titles(500 points each), and a semi at the WTF. That would likely land him in the top 5 at the end of the year when he’s 39.
Then I think you'll leave 2020 a happy Fedrfan. :)
 

ForehandRF

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Federer should play only Rome before RG and that's it.Even if he doesn't get deep at Foro Italico, it would be a great warmup for the French, being closer in the calendar than the other 2 masters.More than that, it's the most prestigious masters event on clay, a tournament that Fed has yet to win and top players should be tired after grinding in Monte Carlo and Madrid.
 

Third Serve

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Federer should play only Rome before RG and that's it.Even if he doesn't get deep at Foro Italico, it would be a great warmup for the French, being closer in the calendar than the other 2 masters.More than that, it's the most prestigious masters event on clay, a tournament that Fed has yet to win and top players should be tired after grinding in Monte Carlo and Madrid.
The Madrid surface suits him better, though. He has greater potential to rack up points there.
 

BeatlesFan

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The Madrid surface suits him better, though. He has greater potential to rack up points there.
And more importantly, the Madrid surface doesn't suit either Nadal or Djokovic (or many other players). Those two are great enough to win the event anyway, but both have complained for years about the clay and conditions there. Roger has multiple chances to win Rome, that ship has sailed for him. I agree that points should be the priority. If he loses early in Madrid, he could still play Rome, as he decided to do last year.

Edit: See below, apparently he's not going to play either Madrid/Rome.
 
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BeatlesFan

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Tony Godsick has now confirmed Fed isn't planning on playing any clay tune ups:

Roger Federer to take seven-week break from tennis as agent Tony Godsick dispels rumours

Roger Federer will have a seven-week break from tennis

Federer’s schedule will see him take a seven-week break from tennis following the conclusion of the Miami Open on April 5. The Swiss star will not return to action until May 24 when the French Open gets underway. Federer had skipped the clay season for three years in a row until 2019 so a big gap during April and May is not usual for the 38-year-old. However, there were suggestions the 20-time Grand Slam winner was contemplating adding some clay-court events to his calendar.

Swiss journalist Rene Stauffer claims to have spoken to Federer’s agent Tony Godsick, who in turn dispelled rumours the world No 3 could compete at the Rome or Madrid Masters events.

“Just got the confirmation from Tony Godsick that rumours are not true that Federer will play Masters-Tournaments in Rome and Madrid 2020,” Stauffer tweeted.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/1241881/Roger-Federer-schedule-Tony-Godsick-French-Open

 
We will get an official confirmation after Miami just like in 2017 and 2018. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Federer doesn't take the dirt at all if he reproduces last year's results from Dubai-Sunshine double...As to whether it will affect his chances of a top 4 seeding in SW19, only time will tell....
 
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MeatTornado

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I'm fine with it. I don't want him playing just for points.

He took a chance last year at one last RG and did pretty well. But Rafa showed him just how far he actually is from that title in 2019. And if he's not going to win the tourny, no point in grinding out Masters matches to be in shape for it. Take the rest.
 

oldmanfan

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I'm fine with it. I don't want him playing just for points.

He took a chance last year at one last RG and did pretty well. But Rafa showed him just how far he actually is from that title in 2019. And if he's not going to win the tourny, no point in grinding out Masters matches to be in shape for it. Take the rest.
I think he should play RG. If anything, it would be good match practice so that he doesn't enter grass completely cold.

I disagree with you that he was far from the RG19 title. Thiem was beatable from the other half, and he might just choke on top of that. Fedr lost to the freakin sandstorm bc he entered that SF in the best form out of Fedr/Nadl/Djokr/Thiem. Fedr lost in straights while playing at like 50% of what he did against Stan in the QF, and still managed to break Nadl's serve a couple times. Bc of the sandstorm during the SF, he said he was just trying keep the ball in court so that he doesn't look like a fool out there. He may still lose to Nadl in normal condidions in that SF, but I think Fedr wins AT LEAST 1 set. Though I'd pick Fedr to win in 4.
 

MeatTornado

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I think he should play RG. If anything, it would be good match practice so that he doesn't enter grass completely cold.

I disagree with you that he was far from the RG19 title. Thiem was beatable from the other half, and he might just choke on top of that. Fedr lost to the freakin sandstorm bc he entered that SF in the best form out of Fedr/Nadl/Djokr/Thiem. Fedr lost in straights while playing at like 50% of what he did against Stan in the QF, and still managed to break Nadl's serve a couple times. Bc of the sandstorm during the SF, he said he was just trying keep the ball in court so that he doesn't look like a fool out there. He may still lose to Nadl in normal condidions in that SF, but I think Fedr wins AT LEAST 1 set. Though I'd pick Fedr to win in 4.
From my POV best case scenario was Fed losing in 4 instead of 3 without the wind.

We saw him deploy the same tactics that worked so well on hard and grass. But they simply aren't enough to hit through Rafa on clay. All the big backhands that would be winners anywhere else sat up that extra half second which allowed Rafa to redirect his FH up the line for a winner instead.
 

oldmanfan

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From my POV best case scenario was Fed losing in 4 instead of 3 without the wind.

We saw him deploy the same tactics that worked so well on hard and grass. But they simply aren't enough to hit through Rafa on clay. All the big backhands that would be winners anywhere else sat up that extra half second which allowed Rafa to redirect his FH up the line for a winner instead.
Huh? Fedr was never allowed to test this. The sandstorm turned Fedr from a top4 player into a club level player. He simply wasn't allowed to play his brand of tennis at all in that match.
 

oldmanfan

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Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Lol, sure. You make it sound like Fedr has never beaten Nadl on clay. Sure, he has not beaten him at RG, but it's not like he isn't competitive, even when Nadl owned him pre AO17 (see RG11). Fedr has more confidence going into RG19 compared to before.

I'm surprised you even used that match as any kind of barometer of what post AO17 Fedr can do against RG19 Nadl. Nadl was nowhere near his peak clay form in that tourney. If Thiem wasn't screwed by the scheduling, he'd have beaten Nadl in 4, at worse, in that finals. Nadl dodged a big one there.
 

MeatTornado

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Lol, sure. You make it sound like Fedr has never beaten Nadl on clay. Sure, he has not beaten him at RG, but it's not like he isn't competitive, even when Nadl owned him pre AO17 (see RG11). Fedr has more confidence going into RG19 compared to before.

I'm surprised you even used that match as any kind of barometer of what post AO17 Fedr can do against RG19 Nadl. Nadl was nowhere near his peak clay form in that tourney. If Thiem wasn't screwed by the scheduling, he'd have beaten Nadl in 4, at worse, in that finals. Nadl dodged a big one there.
So under normal conditions you legit think that Roger & Thiem would've both beaten Nadal in 4.

You're free to believe whatever you want but I could not disagree more.
 

Steve0904

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Lol, sure. You make it sound like Fedr has never beaten Nadl on clay. Sure, he has not beaten him at RG, but it's not like he isn't competitive, even when Nadl owned him pre AO17 (see RG11). Fedr has more confidence going into RG19 compared to before.

I'm surprised you even used that match as any kind of barometer of what post AO17 Fedr can do against RG19 Nadl. Nadl was nowhere near his peak clay form in that tourney. If Thiem wasn't screwed by the scheduling, he'd have beaten Nadl in 4, at worse, in that finals. Nadl dodged a big one there.
Say what you like, Federer isn't beating Nadal at RG ever. He never did in years gone by, he wasn't doing it in 2019 no matter the conditions and he's certainly not doing it in future. No offence, but seriously, if you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention the last 15 years. And Thiem isn't doing it either until he strings more than 2 great sets together (and btw proceeds to get double breadsticked in sets 3 and 4).

Only Djokovic has any chance at all of an actual win, and even he needs more than a few good breaks.
 

oldmanfan

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So under normal conditions you legit think that Roger & Thiem would've both beaten Nadal in 4.

You're free to believe whatever you want but I could not disagree more.
I can agree to disagree here.

It just seems to me that you have forgotten what Nadl's clay season was looking like for most of his clay2019. That was probably one of Nadl's worse, if not the worst, clay-season-form of his career after winning RG2005. Nadl was being beaten left and right before winning Rome19 over a dead-tired Djokr who was actually looking to come back after taking set2, but Djokr then completely ran out of gas in set3 (Nadl had the much easier road to the finals than Djokr). At one point, I almost couldn't believe how bad Nadl was on his beloved clay before he found a little bit of form before Rome finals. His form didn't improve much going into RG19 SF. And that's why I think Fedr/Thiem would have had a good chance to win in 4 in normal conditions. There was nothing that could been done about the SF's sandstorm, but RG screwed Thiem big time bc Djokr should've been DQ'd for leaving the court/grounds without permission (they tried to cover it, but it should've been a direct DQ on the spot if they had any balls). That robbed Thiem of the day of rest between SF/F, AND Thiem had to play two more sets on what should've been his 'rest' day.

Oh well, I'm looking forward to the Oldman on clay at RG20.
 

oldmanfan

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Say what you like, Federer isn't beating Nadal at RG ever. He never did in years gone by, he wasn't doing it in 2019 no matter the conditions and he's certainly not doing it in future. No offence, but seriously, if you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention the last 15 years. And Thiem isn't doing it either until he strings more than 2 great sets together (and btw proceeds to get double breadsticked in sets 3 and 4).

Only Djokovic has any chance at all of an actual win, and even he needs more than a few good breaks.
So past history guarantees future results? I mean, Nadl has beaten Fedr every 2.xx of every 3 matches played when Fedr was much younger, faster, and stronger. It was looking to get even worse as Fedr approaches 35+. Yet, did you think Fedr was gonna beat Nadl 6 of their last 7 matches?

Read my post above. ;)
 

MeatTornado

Legend
I can agree to disagree here.

It just seems to me that you have forgotten what Nadl's clay season was looking like for most of his clay2019. That was probably one of Nadl's worse, if not the worst, clay-season-form of his career after winning RG2005. Nadl was being beaten left and right before winning Rome19 over a dead-tired Djokr who was actually looking to come back after taking set2, but Djokr then completely ran out of gas in set3 (Nadl had the much easier road to the finals than Djokr). At one point, I almost couldn't believe how bad Nadl was on his beloved clay before he found a little bit of form before Rome finals. His form didn't improve much going into RG19 SF. And that's why I think Fedr/Thiem would have had a good chance to win in 4 in normal conditions. There was nothing that could been done about the SF's sandstorm, but RG screwed Thiem big time bc Djokr should've been DQ'd for leaving the court/grounds without permission (they tried to cover it, but it should've been a direct DQ on the spot if they had any balls). That robbed Thiem of the day of rest between SF/F, AND Thiem had to play two more sets on what should've been his 'rest' day.

Oh well, I'm looking forward to the Oldman on clay at RG20.
I watched the majority of Rafa's matches that clay season, I remember well.

I also watched Roger's...
 

oldmanfan

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I watched the majority of Rafa's matches that clay season, I remember well.

I also watched Roger's...
Fair enough. I guess our recount of clay2019 events are just very different bc I was shocked to think that Nadl might actually leave clay2019 season without a title. Djokr handed him Rome19, so RG19 was certainly in question for Nadl.
 

Steve0904

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So past history guarantees future results? I mean, Nadl has beaten Fedr every 2.xx of every 3 matches played when Fedr was much younger, faster, and stronger. It was looking to get even worse as Fedr approaches 35+. Yet, did you think Fedr was gonna beat Nadl 6 of their last 7 matches?

Read my post above. ;)
I read your post. I'm just tired of people trying to convince themselves that Nadal is somehow vulnerable on clay just because he loses the odd match at MC/Madrid/Rome. None of those are BO5 and none of those are the exact same conditions as RG. All I'm saying is that if Nadal shows up to RG 2020 in 2019 form (let's give that a B- for Nadal's standards) he's winning it again unless Djoker produces the absolutely spectacular and gets a little help on top of that (maybe a roof closure, lol).

We know Fed can beat him on grass and HC, but grass and HC are nothing like clay. I watched the match last year like everybody else here and what I saw was that Federer couldn't hit through that court the way he could on grass and HC, and I don't think it had a lot to do with the wind. That sounds like an excuse tbh since Nadal had no trouble doing the same and made Federer look pretty bad. Fed's gamestyle these days (or any time) was never beating Nadal on clay. He's got to be too perfect for too long for it to happen. He can last an hour and a half and then the errors start coming because he's not getting cheap points. It's not past history at this point, the gamestyle that he has to play to be successful and actually win that match just doesn't allow it to happen, and he can't do anything about it.

I think that's perfectly fine. I don't need him to beat Nadal on clay anymore. I would've liked it to happen years and years ago sure, but I can't just ignore what I've seen in 2019 and every other year they've played there and say that Federer has legitimate chances to win. The two things just don't follow. It's one thing to say Fed beating Nadal at AO 2017 and beyond was unexpected and totally illogical and it happened anyway, but it's totally another to think 38 year old Federer on his worst surface has a legit chance at beat a 33 year old Nadal on his best surface where he's the closest thing to invincible that anyone has ever seen and will ever see on a tennis court.
 

oldmanfan

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I read your post. I'm just tired of people trying to convince themselves that Nadal is somehow vulnerable on clay just because he loses the odd match at MC/Madrid/Rome. None of those are BO5 and none of those are the exact same conditions as RG. All I'm saying is that if Nadal shows up to RG 2020 in 2019 form (let's give that a B- for Nadal's standards) he's winning it again unless Djoker produces the absolutely spectacular and gets a little help on top of that (maybe a roof closure, lol).

We know Fed can beat him on grass and HC, but grass and HC are nothing like clay. I watched the match last year like everybody else here and what I saw was that Federer couldn't hit through that court the way he could on grass and HC, and I don't think it had a lot to do with the wind. That sounds like an excuse tbh since Nadal had no trouble doing the same and made Federer look pretty bad. Fed's gamestyle these days (or any time) was never beating Nadal on clay. He's got to be too perfect for too long for it to happen. He can last an hour and a half and then the errors start coming because he's not getting cheap points. It's not past history at this point, the gamestyle that he has to play to be successful and actually win that match just doesn't allow it to happen, and he can't do anything about it.

I think that's perfectly fine. I don't need him to beat Nadal on clay anymore. I would've liked it to happen years and years ago sure, but I can't just ignore what I've seen in 2019 and every other year they've played there and say that Federer has legitimate chances to win. The two things just don't follow. It's one thing to say Fed beating Nadal at AO 2017 and beyond was unexpected and totally illogical and it happened anyway, but it's totally another to think 38 year old Federer on his worst surface has a legit chance at beat a 33 year old Nadal on his best surface where he's the closest thing to invincible that anyone has ever seen and will ever see on a tennis court.
I'd love for Fedal to meet at RG20 SF in similar form as RG 2019. IF Nadl wins that in 3, then I'd be convinced.

Some of you are underselling post RF97-racquet Fedr too short. Fedal has never played at RG since Fedr's racquet change in normal conditions (RG19 SF was a joke!). Fedr's BH has often been more consistent than his FH since AO17, but still less potent. The BH since then has certainly opened more opportunities for his diminished FH and spreading the court more, at least. And the BH pre-racquet-change was the main reason Fedr gets stopped by Nadl before, especially on clay, on top of the fact that Nadl runs like a rabbit pre-30 years old to return everything. pre-30 Nadl also hits harder, was more consistent, AND hits with more depth. All of those edges for Nadl are severely blunted now. Fedr has declined too, but his game overall has declined less than Nadl's. That's why Fedr has been winning the last 6 of 7, which should've been 7 of 8 if Nadl didn't chicken out of IW19 Fedal.

Anyways, I'd be happy, and optimistic, if RG20 Fedal happens.
 

Steve0904

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I'd love for Fedal to meet at RG20 SF in similar form as RG 2019. IF Nadl wins that in 3, then I'd be convinced.

Some of you are underselling post RF97-racquet Fedr too short. Fedal has never played at RG since Fedr's racquet change in normal conditions (RG19 SF was a joke!). Fedr's BH has often been more consistent than his FH since AO17, but still less potent. The BH since then has certainly opened more opportunities for his diminished FH and spreading the court more, at least. And the BH pre-racquet-change was the main reason Fedr gets stopped by Nadl before, especially on clay, on top of the fact that Nadl runs like a rabbit pre-30 years old to return everything. pre-30 Nadl also hits harder, was more consistent, AND hits with more depth. All of those edges for Nadl are severely blunted now. Fedr has declined too, but his game overall has declined less than Nadl's. That's why Fedr has been winning the last 6 of 7, which should've been 7 of 8 if Nadl didn't chicken out of IW19 Fedal.

Anyways, I'd be happy, and optimistic, if RG20 Fedal happens.
I think you're underselling a 12 time RG champion who has only lost twice at RG, but to each his own. We can agree to disagree.
 
I'd love for Fedal to meet at RG20 SF in similar form as RG 2019. IF Nadl wins that in 3, then I'd be convinced.

Some of you are underselling post RF97-racquet Fedr too short. Fedal has never played at RG since Fedr's racquet change in normal conditions (RG19 SF was a joke!). Fedr's BH has often been more consistent than his FH since AO17, but still less potent. The BH since then has certainly opened more opportunities for his diminished FH and spreading the court more, at least. And the BH pre-racquet-change was the main reason Fedr gets stopped by Nadl before, especially on clay, on top of the fact that Nadl runs like a rabbit pre-30 years old to return everything. pre-30 Nadl also hits harder, was more consistent, AND hits with more depth. All of those edges for Nadl are severely blunted now. Fedr has declined too, but his game overall has declined less than Nadl's. That's why Fedr has been winning the last 6 of 7, which should've been 7 of 8 if Nadl didn't chicken out of IW19 Fedal.

Anyways, I'd be happy, and optimistic, if RG20 Fedal happens.
I love your endless confidence & optimism. I don't think Roger will ever beat Rafa in PC, I know Roger will never beat Rafa there but he should never stop trying. Tis better to have played and lost than not played at all!
 

oldmanfan

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I love your endless confidence & optimism. I don't think Roger will ever beat Rafa in PC, I know Roger will never beat Rafa there but he should never stop trying. Tis better to have played and lost than not played at all!
You're probably right. I just want to see one more Fedal RG match in normal conditions just to see how Fedr does on clay with the new racquet. I'm a bit annoyed by last year bc in recent years, Fedr's best chance was likely RG19. The sandstorm had other ideas :mad:.
 
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