Federer News

fedfan08

Professional
Been saying the same as many have for awhile, his age is catching up to him and I think after this year he’s gonna retire. Man, time flies :(
Yeah and I don’t think what Nadal or Djokovic do will factor into his decision. Once matches become a grind and being on tour isn’t fun any more he’ll call it quits.
 

xFedal

Legend
Yuck. FBPD strong again today. Match points dont sit well with Fed. At least he got 2 matches in and one of them was a blast to watch after not seeing him play for a year. Can only improve. But my mind of this being his last season has not changed one bit.
He has a less physical style of play, he will improve his game and matches more easily.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Interesting that he's surprised he served so well. I would've thought that's the one thing he was able to practice more than anything else and would be the one shot he actually had confidence in.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
An upbeat Roger Federer after his loss:
«It was the confirmation that we're on the right path. I come out of this match feeling okay. I hoped I would feel like that after two competitive matches. After 14 months, with or without injury, you'll always be a little bit sore.» (1/5)

About Dubai: «I will talk to the team first before taking a decision. I will decide in the next 24 hours. If I skip Dubai, we can already start to discuss the whole build-up phase. I will need another four or five weeks of training. Probably even more.» (2/5)

How did he feel in the morning? «I was afraid to get up. I put it off a little bit. When I got up, it wasn't so bad. My back was a little stiff, I felt the shoulder. The legs were the best. That was positive. One more day of rest would have helped a lot.» (3/5)

«I am satisfied with how I felt during the match. But I lacked a little bit of explosiveness. Also, Basilashvili is one of the hardest hitters. I knew what I had to do to win. I tried to do it. I just didn't have enough resources yet. But the intentions were good.» (4/5)

What does he take away from Doha? «I must say: everything is very positive for me. I don't know what could have gone better. Maybe winning the match point, okay. But I don't think I needed another match to know where I am at.» (5/5)


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GhostOfNKDM

Professional
An upbeat Roger Federer after his loss:
«It was the confirmation that we're on the right path. I come out of this match feeling okay. I hoped I would feel like that after two competitive matches. After 14 months, with or without injury, you'll always be a little bit sore.» (1/5)

About Dubai: «I will talk to the team first before taking a decision. I will decide in the next 24 hours. If I skip Dubai, we can already start to discuss the whole build-up phase. I will need another four or five weeks of training. Probably even more.» (2/5)

How did he feel in the morning? «I was afraid to get up. I put it off a little bit. When I got up, it wasn't so bad. My back was a little stiff, I felt the shoulder. The legs were the best. That was positive. One more day of rest would have helped a lot.» (3/5)

«I am satisfied with how I felt during the match. But I lacked a little bit of explosiveness. Also, Basilashvili is one of the hardest hitters. I knew what I had to do to win. I tried to do it. I just didn't have enough resources yet. But the intentions were good.» (4/5)

What does he take away from Doha? «I must say: everything is very positive for me. I don't know what could have gone better. Maybe winning the match point, okay. But I don't think I needed another match to know where I am at.» (5/5)


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Very interesting last line! So if Im reading this right Roger wasn’t interested or expecting to go all the way even in this 250 event. (Or perhaps this is convenient spin after the fact)

The conspiratorial part of me thinks he perhaps wanted both matches to go the distance and
test his ability to endure rather than simply win.

But that’s just speculation. Could be reading more into it than there is....
 

GhostOfNKDM

Professional
Is he saying he’s not ready to come back yet? At some point you gotta play matches. I hope he’s feeling ok.
Scroll up for the twitter posts...For Roger the start of the season is on grass. This may have been a progress check.

Certainly conserving his body is a better proposition than purely engage in match play. He did beat the No.28 player in the world. He knows if he focuses on his athletic recovery, the tennis portion will come back fast enough
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
He's saying he wants to focus more on training.
And based on what we saw, it's definitely the right call. His biggest drawback by far was physical. Both the "explosiveness" that he mentioned was lacking (why he was often stretched out hitting a desperate slice instead of being in a position to smack the ball, and his general stamina, which was clearly lacking.

As far as the actual tennis goes, I was very pleased. I liked how his serve and forehand looked. Volleys were weirdly bad, but overall I was pleased with his sharpness. It was just the physical aspect that was concerning.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
And based on what we saw, it's definitely the right call. His biggest drawback by far was physical. Both the "explosiveness" that he mentioned was lacking (why he was often stretched out hitting a desperate slice instead of being in a position to smack the ball, and his general stamina, which was clearly lacking.

As far as the actual tennis goes, I was very pleased. I liked how his serve and forehand looked. Volleys were weirdly bad, but overall I was pleased with his sharpness. It was just the physical aspect that was concerning.
Yeah, Fed can't afford any mistakes at this stage of his career. Really don't want another Montreal 2017 moment just for the sake of him being on court.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, Fed can't afford any mistakes at this stage of his career. Really don't want another Montreal 2017 moment just for the sake of him being on court.
His back is something I don't even want to think about. Even if his knee was completely fine and fitness was good, someone with a history of back issues is incredibly prone to flaring up again when continuing to play on the pro tour at 40. Hell, normal 40 year old office workers wake up with bad backs without even doing anything.
 
And based on what we saw, it's definitely the right call. His biggest drawback by far was physical. Both the "explosiveness" that he mentioned was lacking (why he was often stretched out hitting a desperate slice instead of being in a position to smack the ball, and his general stamina, which was clearly lacking.

As far as the actual tennis goes, I was very pleased. I liked how his serve and forehand looked. Volleys were weirdly bad, but overall I was pleased with his sharpness. It was just the physical aspect that was concerning.
His overall game especially his serve and the forehand looked pretty good the last two matches. It was his movement, especially when stretched wide on either wing and his stamina that were found wanting. And thankfully the knee held up through the two matches. Like I had mentioned in an earlier post, there is more good than bad overall. And I think is 2017 return sort of spoiled us. This return will probably be more akin to the one Djokovic had after a woeful late 2017-early 2018. It will be slow and sometimes even frustrating. But I am hopeful it will be worth the wait.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Professional
His back is something I don't even want to think about. Even if his knee was completely fine and fitness was good, someone with a history of back issues is incredibly prone to flaring up again when continuing to play on the pro tour at 40. Hell, normal 40 year old office workers wake up with bad backs without even doing anything.
Sedentariness is not a passive actor when it comes to negative health effects.

So not a good comparison but I understand where you’re coming from wrt concern about the back.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
His overall game especially his serve and the forehand looked pretty good the last two matches. It was his movement, especially when stretched wide on either wing and his stamina that were found wanting. And thankfully the knee held up through the two matches. Like I had mentioned in an earlier post, there is more good than bad overall. And I think is 2017 return sort of spoiled us. This return will probably be more akin to the one Djokovic had after a woeful late 2017-early 2018. It will be slow and sometimes even frustrating. But I am hopeful it will be worth the wait.
Even if this is it, if the last 2 days were the top level he's capable of producing anymore, it's still worth it to me. I just wanted to see him play again. And I'm sure his priority also isn't with winning, but wanting to go out on his own terms. No athlete wants to retire because of injuries. I have to believe he went through all the operations and rehab if only to hit the court again for a proper farewell tour, and that's good enough for me.

It was realistic that a 39 year old could've announced that he wasn't coming back at all after the first knee surgery didn't go well. I specifically remember a press conference he had at some point over the last 4 years where he mentioned if he ever had to go through the 2016 surgery/rehab process again, he would probably just retire. So I'm thankful that he didn't just make an announcement that he was done and we're at least getting to see him play again even if it means him losing early each tournament.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
Very interesting last line! So if Im reading this right Roger wasn’t interested or expecting to go all the way even in this 250 event. (Or perhaps this is convenient spin after the fact)

The conspiratorial part of me thinks he perhaps wanted both matches to go the distance and
test his ability to endure rather than simply win.

But that’s just speculation. Could be reading more into it than there is....
Yup.

Some Fed fans are expecting too much. Basil has been struggling lately, but he's finding his form again. Currently, he's still #42(?) in the world, and at his peak in 2019, he was a top20 player at #16. Also, sometimes Fedr struggles with big hitters (see losses to Delpo/Tsonga/Berdych/etc.), let alone Fedr being not yet fully match-fit in his 2nd match back.

Try to remember how it feels like to lift weights or simply doing push-ups until you tire, after not doing these activities in many weeks/months. How do your muscles feel the next day? Yes, they feel sore, and you feel weak as hell and would shudder just thinking of doing them again the next day. So you would avoid doing them the next day. That's what Fedr went thru, and not just against 2 tennis scrubs, but 2 top40 players in back-to-back days. That's worse than playing a grueling 5-setter in your first match back in 400+ days. At least after a 5-setter in a slam, you would have a day off.

Some posters said that Fedr pulled out of Dubai21.
I think that's a GREAT call.

Fedr now KNOWS that he's competitive again (probably his #1 concern during his layoff) bc he was 1 pt away from beating 2 top40 players. Like Fedr said, he doesn't need another match to know where he's at (had he won, he'll likely lose the next match bc of fitness). He said he'll concentrate on training/building his fitness now that he knows, for sure, what he needs to do. He's already eyeing clay for fine tuning after this training block, thus better preparing for his most important part of the season, grass.

This week has been very encouraging for Fedr.
Being a Fedhead, I'm equally as encouraged ;).
 
Even if this is it, if the last 2 days were the top level he's capable of producing anymore, it's still worth it to me. I just wanted to see him play again. And I'm sure his priority also isn't with winning, but wanting to go out on his own terms. No athlete wants to retire because of injuries. I have to believe he went through all the operations and rehab if only to hit the court again for a proper farewell tour, and that's good enough for me.

It was realistic that a 39 year old could've announced that he wasn't coming back at all after the first knee surgery didn't go well. I specifically remember a press conference he had at some point over the last 4 years where he mentioned if he ever had to go through the 2016 surgery/rehab process again, he would probably just retire. So I'm thankful that he didn't just make an announcement that he was done and we're at least getting to see him play again even if it means him losing early each tournament.
Great post!!! Honestly, just watching him back on the court is/was good enough for me. But what was striking was that his competitive spirit was on full display. Played as well as he could to get an MP...Yes, it was just Evans and Basilashvili, but still, he fought on. And that's what makes me believe that he is not there to just make up the numbers.
 

Novichok

Rookie
Yup.

Some Fed fans are expecting too much. Basil has been struggling lately, but he's finding his form again. Currently, he's still #42(?) in the world, and at his peak in 2019, he was a top20 player at #16. Also, sometimes Fedr struggles with big hitters (see losses to Delpo/Tsonga/Berdych/etc.), let alone Fedr being not yet fully match-fit in his 2nd match back.

Try to remember how it feels like to lift weights or simply doing push-ups until you tire, after not doing these activities in many weeks/months. How do your muscles feel the next day? Yes, they feel sore, and you feel weak as hell and would shudder just thinking of doing them again the next day. So you would avoid doing them the next day. That's what Fedr went thru, and not just against 2 tennis scrubs, but 2 top40 players in back-to-back days. That's worse than playing a grueling 5-setter in your first match back in 400+ days. At least after a 5-setter in a slam, you would have a day off.

Some posters said that Fedr pulled out of Dubai21.
I think that's a GREAT call.

Fedr now KNOWS that he's competitive again (probably his #1 concern during his layoff) bc he was 1 pt away from beating 2 top40 players. Like Fedr said, he doesn't need another match to know where he's at (had he won, he'll likely lose the next match bc of fitness). He said he'll concentrate on training/building his fitness now that he knows, for sure, what he needs to do. He's already eyeing clay for fine tuning after this training block, thus better preparing for his most important part of the season, grass.

This week has been very encouraging for Fedr.
Being a Fedhead, I'm equally as encouraged ;).
Makes sense. I remember Fed talking about feeling muscle soreness during Hopman Cup 2017, when he returned from a similar layoff.
EDIT: found the article https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/hopman-cup-2017-roger-federers-australian-pleasure-and-pain-20170105-gtmm9r.html
 
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GhostOfNKDM

Professional
The gleeful calls for gloom and doom on GPPD are sad.

I don’t think there is a problem with his knees that Roger is hiding; so many people suggesting all he needs is matchplay and withdrawing from Dubai is evidence that the end is near.

I strongly disagree. If anything Roger demonstrated to himself and to us that the tennis part is there and will easily come back for a player of his caliber - he hung with and beat a Top 50 player several years his junior and almost beat another.

What he’s missing is explosiveness and footspeed - areas where building strength and recovering are more important.

You can say he had all this time but anyone that has done rehab knows timelines take longer thn expected and that isn’t bad... muscle recovered over a longer period of time actually atrophies slower with age.

That isn’t to say everything will be back to 2017 levels guaranteed but Im sure his decisions are based on the best course of action rather than quick results to satisfy his ego.
 
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GhostOfNKDM

Professional
TTW has descended into complete insanity with regards to Fed these past two days really.

At least the people in this thread seem to have a better handle on things.
A lot of it is petty wishfulness wrt to his career demise disguised as analysis.

Heck Sureshs came out of hibernation to call Fed done... something he’s been doing since 2008 without ever feeling ashamed of being proved wrong time and again.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Professional
Mentioned this in a different thread but another reason for ‘returning prematurely’ if you will, could be that Roger needed a small measure of reward for all the lonely hard work he has already put in, and to fuel further hard yards - which was to play once more in front of crowds

405 days is a long time to be away from your work essentially, even if rehab is part of it.

Now he can go back put in another 2 months of work in knowing exactly how it will benefit his game plus sweetened by the expectation of playing in front of bigger crowds in summer.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Mentioned this in a different thread but another reason for ‘returning prematurely’ if you will, could be that Roger needed a small measure of reward for all the lonely hard work he has already put in, and to fuel further hard yards - which was to play once more in front of crowds

405 days is a long time to be away from your work essentially, even if rehab is part of it.

Now he can go back put in another 2 months of work in knowing exactly how it will benefit his game plus sweetened by the expectation of playing in front of bigger crowds in summer.
I'm sure he was itching to get back, but I don't think this was a premature return at all. I think this was just part of the planned process. He needed to see how his mind and body reacted to real matches, and based on the Dubai withdrawal, he got whatever information he was looking for.

He's basically treating all tournaments before Wimbledon as a pre-season. The results may count for everyone else, but he's just using them as a testing ground.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Professional
I'm sure he was itching to get back, but I don't think this was a premature return at all. I think this was just part of the planned process. He needed to see how his mind and body reacted to real matches, and based on the Dubai withdrawal, he got whatever information he was looking for.

He's basically treating all tournaments before Wimbledon as a pre-season. The results may count for everyone else, but he's just using them as a testing ground.
Well Im on the same page as you. The ‘premature’ notion is not mine... came up in other discussions because of the early exit in Doha + withdrawals announced quickly after.
 

Forehanderer

Semi-Pro
As I mentioned in this thread, he is just testing the waters of his competitive capabilities and stamina. I also said he won't play more than 2 matches even if he wins the first one. It turns out that he lost the second game. Federer also said that he was tired after the first game. He looked gassed after an hour of play yesterday. Match practice is great but this is more of a test run than anything.
He and his team are better judges of his capabilities than fans like us 8-B. Dubai was questionable even by his own accounts. His eyes are only at Wimbledon this year and he will get back on tour after his training block. The matches may be in clay but he is not focused on winning those. Fed may be thinking of them as much needed preparation for Wimbledon
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
But i have to ask you this: if Fed realizes right now he can't play without pain in his operated knee and this pain prevents him to play to his former level, would he tell the truth to the press, like Andy just did sometime ago, or would he remain silent and increase himself (in vain) the level of expectations while pocketing the appearance fee ?
I think he would do whatever bothers you the most.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
I don't understand why some trolls are on this thread. There are plenty of other threads started by them :rolleyes:
Report their posts, all of them, and they will be removed. This is a dedicated thread for Fed fans only. Believe me, whenever some anti-Rafa troll dares to wade into the Nadal News Thread, Clay and Octo get those annoying posts removed in about .04 seconds. Please REPORT them, I got two posters banned from here for this crap. It is not allowed and the mods will bring down the hammer.

The first page of this thread lays down the rules:

 
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Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Report their posts, all of them, and they will be removed. This is a dedicated thread for Fed fans only. Believe me, whenever some anti-Rafa troll dares to wade into the Nadal News Thread, Clay and Octo get those annoying posts removed in about .04 seconds. Please REPORT them, I got two posters banned from here for this crap. It is not allowed and the mods will bring down the hammer.

The first page of this thread lays down the rules:

Well, to be fair, I dont worship responsibly haha.
 
Roger Federer Clocks Back In


By Giri Nathan

Let’s catch up on a historic week in tennis. Novak Djokovic racked up 311 total weeks as the world No. 1, at long lost surpassi—holy crap did you see Roger Federer is back on the court in new shoes? Many Americans have spent this week tripping out over the banal things they were doing exactly one year ago, as a means of marking how long we’ve been stuck in this pandemic. It’s been ever longer since Fed went into the office. This Wednesday in Doha marked his first appearance on court since January 2020, when he lost to Djokovic in the Australian Open semis. He took the rest of the season off to get two procedures done on his right knee and work his way back up to tour strength. When he showed up to his first coin toss on Wednesday in Doha, he was still asking Mo Lahyani about the COVID-specific rules. We carry our own towels now, Rog. (He forgot to snag his before changing sides after the first game.)

The fugue of this past year has had me forgetting things that should be utterly familiar. Watching Federer in Doha had me like, “Oh, this is actually pretty nice to watch. People should look out for this guy. Might make some noise this season.” I suspect that gratitude for the ordinary is something we will find ourselves feeling over and over again in 2021, and now, watching an athlete we’ve all fixated on for years, I found myself enjoying all over again: how his footwork makes him float, how he makes contact with the ball that characteristic fraction of a second before anyone else would. And the very slightly jarring effect that has on the viewer. I’d forgotten what tennis looks like with Federer Timing, and with all due respect to every other tennis player in history, it’s just…different. Coincidentally that last idea is all we Fed dead-enders will have to fall back on in sweaty GOAT debates, once the rest of the records have been snatched away. Roger Federer: just hits different.

First up in Doha was Daniel Evans, a familiar face across the net; they’d apparently played some 20 practice sets together in recent weeks. Evans happens to be caught up in some of the best tennis of his career, having won his first-ever title at a tune-up in Melbourne. He looks fit and focused. I’ve always liked him: He’s the rare short guy hyper-reliant on a backhand slice, with a bazooka on the forehand side, shot selection that skews toward the bold, and perhaps the only honest excuse for a positive cocaine test that tennis has ever seen. His presence always makes the match more interesting. So maybe Evans deserves some of the credit for this one’s watchability, because in his first match back, Federer played all the classics: unfairly angled passing shot under pressure, improvised wrist flick, the backhand tracing the sideline on match point. He said he loved finishing matches on that shot, and was happy to be back. Staging a return to tour at age 39 is hard, he admitted, even if you wouldn’t be able to tell from the highlight reel.

If that first match was Federer’s refresher on how pretty tennis could be, the second match, against Nikoloz Basilashvili, was a reminder of how ugly it can get. Looking a little more like a guy who’d taken 405 days off the job, he won the first set, got breadsticked in the second, and was (gasp) visibly sweating in the third. As a friend likes to say: If Roger Federer is perspiring, the conditions may not be safe to play sports. But then, late in the third, after straining to defend his serve the previous two tries, he tossed off one of those vintage one-minute service games. And a couple points later came his match point at 5–4. That one slipped away from him, as did the next two games and the match. For Basilashvili, a former top 20 player who somehow hasn’t beaten a top 200 player since the restart and hasn’t won three matches in a row since summer 2019, beating even a creaky Roger is a pretty decent way to shake off the funk. Afterwards, Federer said he was feeling his shoulder and would be pulling out of Dubai next week. He’s done with the hard courts for now, to better prepare for the grass season, and just might make an appearance on clay. Now that I remember what it’s like I already have the hankering for more.
 

jussumman

Hall of Fame
Report their posts, all of them, and they will be removed. This is a dedicated thread for Fed fans only. Believe me, whenever some anti-Rafa troll dares to wade into the Nadal News Thread, Clay and Octo get those annoying posts removed in about .04 seconds. Please REPORT them, I got two posters banned from here for this crap. It is not allowed and the mods will bring down the hammer.

The first page of this thread lays down the rules:

Thanks. No one has a better sense of humor than you on these forums.
 

jussumman

Hall of Fame
Someone here is pathological, it's not me nor do I hate the great Maestro Federer at all. Some of you take this way too seriously.
 
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