TheIntrovert
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Fanboy aside, it was a cracking matchHe played his heart out. I thought he was amazing.
Fanboy aside, it was a cracking matchHe played his heart out. I thought he was amazing.
He played his heart out. I thought he was amazing.
No excuses, no regrets.
Yea we always have Basel. SighFed will be back.
Lol. They've got no right to trash Federer like that when he was the one to blow their guy away on Friday. They're still hurt over that, along with the "roofgate" thing from last year.LOL, gotta love VBers spamming "Fed's legacy destroyed" threads in the general pro. Worst fanbase in tennis by the virtue of a good portion of them being much more about hating one specific player than anything else.
Lol. They've got no right to trash Federer like that when he was the one to blow their guy away on Friday. They're still hurt over that, along with the "roofgate" thing from last year.
Wait whatYeah but didn't you get the memo, Nadal lost to Fed because he's "old", lol. I swear, you can't make this up, those clowns have ridiculous double standards.
I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent. That's what makes digesting this loss easier. He played at his top possible level and was simply outplayed. It's not like the weak chokes at AO 2009 final or choking against Del Po the last two sets in '09. He brought his A game from first to last.He definitely didn't bring his A - game to this final (probably couldn't quite recover from the semi), and still took it to match points.
Eurosport had a clip of them when he blew the MP's. Sev winced and Ljub just dropped his head briefly (he shows little emotion in the box). It was Mirka and Lynnette who were looking like they were gonna die.Imagine how Sev and ljubicic are feeling...
Don't think he was outplayed, just not clutch enough in TBs.I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent. That's what makes digesting this loss easier. He played at his top possible level and was simply outplayed. It's not like the weak chokes at AO 2009 final or choking against Del Po the last two sets in '09. He brought his A game from first to last.
Sorry have to disagree. While I think he played very well I don’t think he was outplayed. The stats don’t show that. He just was crap in the tie breaks for some inexplicable reason. Also his FH was quite tentative which allowed Djokovic to stay in points. Another stat: in the 2009 final I think Federer had 50 aces. In this match he had 25. Of course one could argue Djokovic is a better returner than Roddick and that’s why but I would argue Federer didn’t have his best serving day and there were stretches when he couldn’t buy a first serve. I don’t think he had one ace in any of the tie breaks. Djokovic knows he got lucky winning this match. His luck in this tournament was drawing Anderson in his half instead of Nadal. I suspect he will dominate the hard court summer swing. I don’t see who can challenge him. Especially on the very slow AA stadium.I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent. That's what makes digesting this loss easier. He played at his top possible level and was simply outplayed. It's not like the weak chokes at AO 2009 final or choking against Del Po the last two sets in '09. He brought his A game from first to last.
This was a gutting loss, but damn if Federer didn't show the heart of a true champion. He definitely didn't bring his A - game to this final (probably couldn't quite recover from the semi), and still took it to match points.
I think the thing that bothers me the most is that he won every relevant statistical category and still lost the match. But honestly I feel like he's never fought harder. We will see what happens from here, but for me that only solidifies his position in tennis. Fighting THAT hard, and getting THAT close against a fellow all time great who has been playing much better for the last 12 months... fantastic.
I've stayed off the board because if I see any jackass say that I'll probably have a comment that will get me banned.Most definitely, not a single doubt. He fought like a lion, almost always from behind all match. My blood boils when I see “choke”, “pathetic”, “mental mug”
I went on an ignore spree for the first time. Any one who disrespects RF after this battle at 38 isn't worth my millisecond.I've stayed off the board because if I see any jackass say that I'll probably have a comment that will get me banned.
Novak looked gassed too.Exactly. The number of UE, especially from his FH creeped up at the tail end of that match. Either loopier, or not enough on the slices. People say how Federer could have played more, but really, one has to be a more careful observant to see that Federer's game was slowly deteriorating (it would have been abnormal if it didn't).
His forehand errors are the key that he'd given it a lot in his Nadal match. He made 52 forehand errors vs Djokovic and, notably, three in the first set tie-break alone which probably cost him the breaker. That many errors for just 18 forehand winners - an almost 3:1 ratio is unacceptable (vs the Nadal match where the ratio was closer to 1:1). Those loopier forehands which kept landing short and giving DJokovic what he liked were the result of Fed trying to find his range and not finding a rhythm like he usually would in 19 out of 20 matches eventually.
Djokovic just played Federer to his backhand until he could hit a safe ball to Fed's forehand and time after time Fed just fed the ball into the net. Completely unlike the Nadal match. And Fed knew this which is why he was slicing crosscourt so much - to make it harder for Djokovic to get up and over the net with an inside-in forehand. And it worked too - he basically did variation of a Gilles Simon on Djokovic, denying him pace and height on his forehand. It almost worked too, esp on a court that was so hard to hit through.
Totally. If the ball lands a few feet to the right on MP #2 he's the champion. Sometimes the ball goes the other way. tough luck.Most definitely, not a single doubt. He fought like a lion, almost always from behind all match. My blood boils when I see “choke”, “pathetic”, “mental mug”
I don't think he was outplayed. Just got unlucky on those match points. Didn't hit his spots.I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent. That's what makes digesting this loss easier. He played at his top possible level and was simply outplayed. It's not like the weak chokes at AO 2009 final or choking against Del Po the last two sets in '09. He brought his A game from first to last.
Pretty much. Theres only so much you can control. It was a game of incredibly thin margins and Roger tried his best.Just didn't go his way. We'll be fine.Totally. If the ball lands a few feet to the right on MP #2 he's the champion. Sometimes the ball goes the other way. tough luck.
Well he ended up winning the title.All of you giving **** to Federer for not being perfect, Djokovic tanked an entire set is he pathetic too?
Federer fans are no better than any other fanbase here. My rose colored glasses are gone.
Fed did the same in the SF as well. Nobody cared about it when he won the match.**** off.
If Fed can win another GS after this incident, then it truly shows that he is the GOAT.
For most players, I bet this would scar them, and they will never be able to come back.
More so for Federer, since he doesn't have much time left. It's easier for him to just say "I've accomplished enough", and walk away.
That's what Djokovic wants.
It just depends on Federer's desire to keep playing. Clearly, his body can still take it for a 5 hour match.
Overall I was happy with his game.Good lord. I think it's a pretty good consensus he didn't play his best in that final, neither did Novak.
Roger's ground strokes were tentative for a good portion of the match, there just didn't seem to be the normal sting to hit shots. Was it the SF that sapped him of some leg drive or was it a tactic to not give pace to Novak?
What is true that no one can debate is that Roger tried his damnedest to win that title.
He played his heart out. I thought he was amazing.
No excuses, no regrets.
For me personally, that Nadal win will remain an incredibly sweet victory, even though he didn't end up winning the title.Exactly. I don’t think I could have asked for a better Wimbledon finals match than what he gave us considering how bad the odds were with Nadal in the semi final, 37 in age and fighting ATG 5 yrs younger.
Overall I was happy with his game.
But even though he won more points, there were 2 concerns that I bet everyone noticed -
Forehand - He was hitting decent rally balls but also very tentative half the time . Certainly cost him big points. When he was loose, he was hitting some awesome winners with it down the line but on Break points and tie breakers he just couldn't go for the kill, his balls weren't landing in.
Backhand return - His Backhand drive return has improved a lot, back to 2017 levels I would say. What I didn't agree to was the strategy of slicing BH returns, I mean that's a good ball to feed Djokovic but against this Guy Fed needed to take his chances and get that BH drive deep and fast to Djokovic when he hasn't recovered from his service motion, something Djokovic has always done. I think Federer is able to do that to Djokovic.
Strategically I felt Fed was doing everything right except this. Also Fed gets a little passive when he is slicing backhand returns. He started driving returns when his back was against the wall especially set 4, did again in set 5 when he was tired and had no option left, fetched him BPs.
Drive BH return to Nole and then mixing up Slice and Topspin BHs is what he should test at CINCY if they meet. It would fetch him a more quick points and would be massive at BPs.
For me personally, that Nadal win will remain an incredibly sweet victory, even though he didn't end up winning the title.
Hi guys... Like many of you, I'm absolutely heartbroken after yesterday's match. Before the match I planned on doing highlights of it, but it left me with such a bad taste I don't even wanna touch it. I don't wanna see it, I don't wanna feel it. I don't want to have anything to do with it. The memories are bad enough. So I decided to upload this video instead, an old tribute of mine that I did after the final losses in 2014 and 2015. It's a video about that when you try your best and you don't succeed, there can still be light in the end of the tunnel: "Lights will guide you home And ignite your bones And I will try to fix you" We're proud of you Roger, we'll never stop believing and supporting you. Hold your head up high!
In time the hurt feels will subside and everyone will come to appreciate Sunday's Wimbledon for the masterpiece that it was and for the herculean effort from the GOAT Maestro that he put out there.Hi guys... Like many of you, I'm absolutely heartbroken after yesterday's match. Before the match I planned on doing highlights of it, but it left me with such a bad taste I don't even wanna touch it. I don't wanna see it, I don't wanna feel it. I don't want to have anything to do with it. The memories are bad enough. So I decided to upload this video instead, an old tribute of mine that I did after the final losses in 2014 and 2015. It's a video about that when you try your best and you don't succeed, there can still be light in the end of the tunnel: "Lights will guide you home And ignite your bones And I will try to fix you" We're proud of you Roger, we'll never stop believing and supporting you. Hold your head up high!
I'm ignoring most posts on here but reading through yours have made me happy. You have the best attitude about this match and I agree with nearly everything you've said post-game.I agree with you here, and this must be why I am coping with this loss (albeit a devastating one), pretty well. Once the draw was announced, I wanted Roger to beat Rafa. Once he did that, the expectations were met for me. I never expected him to beat Djoker in the final and thought he'd lose in four sets. Djokovic isn't an immediate thread to get near Roger's 20 slams, Rafa is and he took care of business on that end at least.
I know you've taken crap because of this post from some whiners and it's a shame because it's true and was written so eloquently. He gave it everything he had, I was proud of him.I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent. That's what makes digesting this loss easier. He played at his top possible level and was simply outplayed. It's not like the weak chokes at AO 2009 final or choking against Del Po the last two sets in '09. He brought his A game from first to last.
Why do you even come here.I'm ignoring most posts on here but reading through yours have made me happy. You have the best attitude about this match and I agree with nearly everything you've said post-game.
I would imagine fairly good in some respects. Their game plan was a better than Djokovic's one which required an entire company of people doing stats analysis and coming up with game plans. The only reason Federer lost is because he hit his forehand so atrociously for 90% of the match.Imagine how Sev and ljubicic are feeling...
I would imagine fairly good in some respects. Their game plan was a better than Djokovic's one which required an entire company of people doing stats analysis and coming up with game plans. The only reason Federer lost is because he hit his forehand so atrociously for 90% of the match.
Djokovic wont believe his lucky starts over this. He won two of the tie breaks basically by hitting the ball to Federer's forehand - a move which would pretty much ensure a player loses in 98 out of 100 matches.
Well you weren't watching very close because his forehand was atrocious for almost the entire match. He made three times as many forehand errors as he hit winners. Compared to the Nadal match where the numbers were about 1 for 1.I've been watching Fed since 2000 and strongly dissent here. He sure as hell was playing his A game, are you kidding? His ground game was magnificent.
Exactly. As I've said elsewhere, the game-plan that Fed/Fed's team came up with was as good as I've seen vs Djokovic. If Fed hadn't made so many forehand errors of bog-standard rally balls this would have been a very different match. His serve made it look closer than it should have been given the error rate.the fact that fed still played so well without his forehand is quite amazing. idk what this means for the hardcourt season. the main reason he played clay, or well one of the main reasons, was for the US hardcourt season.
Why oh Why do you people have to post crap like this because you disagree with her opinion. @BeatlesFan and I don't always see eye to eye but Roger doesn't have a bigger fan than her and she's an encyclopedia of tennis knowledge.To say Fed played magnificent off the ground shows you either didn't watch the whole match or you really don't know squat about tennis.
I'll tell you why. Because her claim was completely in contrast to what happened in this match. So, to be charitable I asked - in an obtuse way I admit - whether she had actually watched the match (a fair call since most people who comment do so based on watching highlights packages only). If she had then her comments show she was watching the match but not seeing what was going on since it was blatantly obvious Federer was having a truly horrible day with his forehand most of the time. He knew it and Djokovic knew it - hence the endless jousting with backhand-to-backhand as Federer tried to keep the ball low and short. As soon as he hit over it he one of two things happened: he hit it well and got on top of the rally, or he miscued it slightly and gave Djokovic a shoulder height ball he could hit anywhere (which time and time again he hit to Fed's forehand).Why oh Why do you people have to post crap like this because you disagree with her opinion. @BeatlesFan and I don't always see eye to eye but Roger doesn't have a bigger fan than her and she's an encyclopedia of tennis knowledge.