Federer, "Neymar? Is he any good?"

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  1. jackson vile

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    I have no clue who Neymar is either, but I don't follow soccer. As far as I know, Fed is a big soccer fan, so I'm surprised that he doesn't know ...
     
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    When every little sentence you utter garners this sort of attention, you have transcended your sport.
     
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    What he supposed to focus other meaninless guys who will never reach his signficance.
     
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    Fed probably follows Euro soccer, not South America.
     
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    Nor me. I follow one team in the Premiere League and that's been mostly casual glances at the scores, and the odd match here and there.

    I don't have a lot of patience for a sport where a supposedly great match can be won with only one "point" scored. In tennis there could be hundreds :)
     
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    Here's the funny thing...Neymar very well might.

    He has near 100 goals at 20 years old, and is already a star. He might bypass Pele as the name in Soccer if this keeps up.
     
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    Beautiful!!! O_O <3
     
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    Dear Jackson pile

    So Federer is to be criticized because he should know about a footbal player who is good and uses stupid haircuts and never left his country?
     
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    Dear Jackson Vile,

    I know a man with a wooden leg named Smith.
     
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    It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if Jackson Vile was a closeted Fed lover. It seems all of his posts are about him.
     
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    who??? why is it so important to know about another sport. It's pop culture. Not like he blundered geography or important history. Never heard of Neymar either. Can't be that important. I never watch soccer and i've heard of Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo etc. Never of Neymar.
     
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    I only have one question:

    "Neymar? Is he any good?"
     
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    Agree. It is always a blunder when one is not omniscient about all subjects.
    I am sure Nadal and Djokovic could and do hold erudite conversations about Gilles Villaneuve, Gordon Haddon Clark, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Pierre de Fermat, Ralph McInerny, Erdorza Menor, and Ronald Alymer Fisher.
     
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  17. Neymar is F'in brilliant.

    Those who have seen 'the hat trick' know what the hell I'm talking about. He is already the second best pure dribbler in the world.
     
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    And who's Neymar again?

    LOL@ Nate. Are you gonna call him better than Zidane too? :lol:
     
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    10neymaranygood
     
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    I'm almost afraid to ask....does that mean that somehow, Fed is #1 :)
     
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    No, that's Djokovic. He has enough practice in his service games.
     
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  23. You're too smart, sir.

    epic lolz
     
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    I thought Messi was the best player in the world.
     
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    Some young football talent. He plays in Santos, a Brazilian club, so it's no big deal if you don't know him. I'm a bit interested in football (not nearly as much as tennis) and I've never seen him play. He hasn't played in the world cup yet and it's not like I'm following the Brazilian football league.
    They should ask Neymar if he knows who Milos Raonic is.
     
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    Neymar? Is he any good?
     
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    Who is this guy?
     
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  30. So what? Neymar is a nobody...so far.
     
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    I like how an obvious trolling thread remains on the forum, but a legitimate AP
    article with Nadal talking about his injuries and the discussion is removed. :-? :)
     
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    I think this is the guy we're talking about:

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    I think most are missing the point that Feddy got a signed jersey of the most decorated country in the world in one sport, and then on live TV (from said country!) asked if one of their talents was any good.

    And yes, he is that good.
     
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    yeah, is not like any Brasilian club has ever beat any european club in any international club competition or that Brasil has never won a World Cup or anything ... o wait ... ;)
     
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    I'm not gonna lie. It's pretty funny that you spelt Gilles Villeneuve and Alexandre Soljenitsyne wrong.


    Also, who the hell is Neymar?
     
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    What are top players fav soccer team? other than nadal crush for R Madrid, what about Federer,Djokovic and even Murray ( is he pro Celtic or Pro Rangers) ?
     
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    Seems like we have something in common.
     
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    Neymar hasn't really play in the elite leagues of Europe, Ronaldo in his prime is a better scorer than Neymar. Speaking of haircuts, hehe
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    if you want to know my opinion, and i am usually not one to make predictions, Neymar will not surpass any of the great brazilian ones, be it Pele, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Garrincha, Zico....

    frack.. i'd be surprised if he did surpass Romario...

    but then again, it's Jackson Vile's thread so you expect this sort of trash
     
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    Given that the Russian spelling is Александр Солженицын, and given that we're writing in English, then the correct transliteration is Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Now, since Alexander is such a common name throughout multiple languages, I think we can excuse the Anglicized spelling. So basically, he got it right.

    The spelling you've given appears to be a French spelling, which would be perfectly acceptable if we were writing in French.
     
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    Oh, for anyone buying into the hype about Neymar, just remember the wondergod that was Denilson (the original, not the one currently on the books at Arsenal).

    He was the next big thing, signed for a world-record fee for Real Betis, and was expected to be a world beater. But, he came on in the 1998 World Cup final and was completely shut down by the French. By 2002, he still hadn't made it to the starting 11 for Brazil and only played one minute in the WC final. By 2007, he was playing for FC Dallas.

    Let's wait for Neymar to actually do something before declaring him the next big thing.
     
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    Denilson has my utmost respect though. Most entertaining player when he was out of the bench in that 2002 worldcup. :)

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    Denilson, Ronaldinho


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    Fate Archer's soccer skills evaluation method:

    Free-style juggling skillzors while being able to perform in real matches
    Ability to to look kickass while dribbling
    Ability to make other elite soccer players look like clowns
     
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  44. NickC

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    Is Neymar any good?

    Yeah. He's REALLY good. Not the next Messi, let alone the next Pele, but he's still freakishly talented. Once he makes the jump to Europe, he'll go for absurd money, like C. Ronaldo money.

    See for yourself. The kid has got game, to say the least.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=neymar
     
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    Those tricks are like trick shots in tennis: at best, they might lead to a goal here and there, but they don't win you matches. The French realized that if they just sat back while he did all his stepovers, in the end they wouldn't lead to anything and he'd eventually find himself trapped in the corner with a couple of defenders around him. Net result - nothing.

    It's all about defending, holding possession (good passing and movement off the ball), setting up chances, or scoring goals; everything else is just a waste of time. If you're not doing at least one of those things on a regular basis every match, then you're not a good footballer.

    It's like the difference between Federer/Nadal/Djokovic and Monfils. He might hit more amazing shots, but they win more matches.
     
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    Don't think either,Hibs? Sure i've heard them talked about, not either of the old firm though.

    REally, a whole day goes by and nobody has asked what his other leg is called?!
     
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    That's a far too result oriented look on football.
    I acknowledge that all the elements you mentioned have their proven value, but I don't think they're everything that makes someone a good footballer.
    Another such thing, for instance, is the individual talent that I was alluding. I also don't think some of these represent the sport in its most entertaining form, at least not in my eyes.

    Denilson was a player that seemed happy to be there and just play his artful game, not too concerned of being great or anything. Mind you, he didn't have a bad career either.
    He gained his fans because of his style, not for what his career could have been. He might not have been the next Pele, but he was a very good footballer and a great entertainer.

    I would take Federer out of that comparison as he plays a game that is both artful and yields results. That's a combination that is pretty hard to beat when it comes to taste.

    If there is one thing that will make a sportsman legacy be so well received, it's not just being good at it: it's all about looking good while doing it.
     
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    At the moment, i am reading "Cancer Ward" by Solzhenitsyn. I have read his other work "One day in the life of Ivan Denisovich" and i have been deeply moved by it.
     
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    That's how I've always seen it spelled.

    Anyway, Neymar has tons of talent and potential and I'm sort of surprised Federer didn't know him, but look, he's no Messi or Ronaldo. He's not even Drogba. The world's best players play in Europe. He'll need to be tested there in order to get recognition.
     
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    Football is a results-driven business. For example, Swansea is a more entertaining team to watch than most of the top Italian teams. But, how many people around the world do you see watching Swansea on TV or wearing their shirts? Compare that to the number of people you see watching Milan, Inter, and Juventus and buying all their merchandise.

    People like entertainers, but they like winners even more. At the moment, they can support Barcelona and get both. But even they value function over form. They're not doing random tricks by the touch line, 60 yards away from goal, or hitting 40-yd Hollywood balls across the pitch. They're doing simple two-touch passes and working hard to get into good positions. Occasionally, one of them will take on a defender in the final third, but most of their goals come from simple passes and working hard off the ball. That's why they got rid of Ronaldinho when he got to the point where he refused to run anymore.

    I watched Brazil in a friendly last summer, and Neymar reminded me of the Ronaldinho of recent years. He was missing either the work ethic or the positional awareness to find space in good positions. So, the few times his teammates were able to get the ball to him, even if he beat a couple of players, he still wasn't in a threatening position, and he wasn't able to pick out teammates with passes that put them into threatening positions either.

    In the end, Lucas Leiva created more attacking opportunities and had a bigger impact on the match than Neymar despite playing the central holding role. If a defensive center mid is more effective in attack than a winger/forward, that's not a good sign.
     
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