Federer on time violations (With a little dig at Rafa).

[Rozroz]

forcing the rule will really do wonders for the game.
shorter rest=stamina loss=shorter games=more winners.

 

[vernonbc]

Hmm..it was curious yesterday watching the Delpo Maktosevic(???) match from IW.

The american commentators covering the match for TC discussed the time limit rule at one point.

One commentator asked that if after a long 30+ stroke rally should the umpire have the discretion to let the players take a little extra time, and his colleague replied vehemently 'no, it is a hard and fast rule, enforce it', to which the other commentator replied that he actually agreed.

The commentator making those comments was Sam Gore who is, without a doubt, one of the dumbest tennis commentators around and he says some of the stupidest things. The guy who agreed was Doug Adler who is pretty decent when he works with Robbie Koenig who actually knows something about tennis and generally keeps Doug on course. Both Sam and Doug are confirmed Fed worshipers so they are hardly unbiased, objective commentators.

Funny how people aren't complaining about how slow Leonardo Mayer was in yesterday's match. He was consistently taking longer than Rafa between points but I guess dissing Leonardo doesn't get as much traction on this board as dissing Rafa. :roll:

 

[SLD76]

The commentator making those comments was Sam Gore who is, without a doubt, one of the dumbest tennis commentators around and he says some of the stupidest things. The guy who agreed was Doug Adler who is pretty decent when he works with Robbie Koenig who actually knows something about tennis and generally keeps Doug on course. Both Sam and Doug are confirmed Fed worshipers so they are hardly unbiased, objective commentators.

Funny how people aren't complaining about how slow Leonardo Mayer was in yesterday's match. He was consistently taking longer than Rafa between points but I guess dissing Leonardo doesn't get as much traction on this board as dissing Rafa. :roll:

Right on cue!

 

[merlinpinpin]

One commentator asked that if after a long 30+ stroke rally should the umpire have the discretion to let the players take a little extra time, and his colleague replied vehemently 'no, it is a hard and fast rule, enforce it', to which the other commentator replied that he actually agreed.

And they are *perfectly right*. As far as I know, tiring out the opponent and trying to capitalize on the next point(s) is a perfectly valid strategy. Enabling him to take 45s, one minute or sometimes more to recover just because the previous point was too hard for him should be a definite *no*.

 

[merlinpinpin]

The first thing to do would obviously be for the ATP and the ITF to agree on the same time between serves (even 30 seconds would be okay, but it has to be *the same* so players can establish their routines based on this, and not have to change them for grand slam tournaments). Once this is done, the rule should be enforced (at the discretion of the umpire, when there are "incidents" such as a broken string, etc.), but it *should* be enforced, the way the other rules are.

Umpires were obviously much less afraid of top players a few decades ago, too bad that not one of them will man-up nowadays...

 

[woodrow1029]

The first thing to do would obviously be for the ATP and the ITF to agree on the same time between serves (even 30 seconds would be okay, but it has to be *the same* so players can establish their routines based on this, and not have to change them for grand slam tournaments). Once this is done, the rule should be enforced (at the discretion of the umpire, when there are "incidents" such as a broken string, etc.), but it *should* be enforced, the way the other rules are.

Umpires were obviously much less afraid of top players a few decades ago, too bad that not one of them will man-up nowadays...

That doesn't make any sense. Officiating is 10000% better now than it was a few decades ago.

But the rest of your post is correct IMO. Raise the time a bit, have it standard ITF/WTA/ATP, then enforce it more, while still giving the umpire discretion for several different types of occurrences..

 

[pmerk34]

That doesn't make any sense. Officiating is 10000% better now than it was a few decades ago.

But the rest of your post is correct IMO. Raise the time a bit, have it standard ITF/WTA/ATP, then enforce it more, while still giving the umpire discretion for several different types of occurrences..

The officiating is better it's the players who have taken the stalling, screeching and gamesmanship to levels we haven't seen before.

I was watching the 1975 Wimby final and both and both and Ashe and Connors went right up to serve when the point was over.

 

[merlinpinpin]

That doesn't make any sense. Officiating is 10000% better now than it was a few decades ago.

I agree that umpires are generally (much) better, just saying that they are more afraid of players now that they were before (or that they give them more leeway).

Not so long ago, Connors once got a penalty point for his antics that cost him a set in a Key Biscayne semi-final against Mecir. Heck, McEnroe was once kicked out of the Australian Open (4th round vs Pernfors, if memory serves). Granted, Mac's wasn't for time violation (although Connors' was, in an indirect way, just as was his defaulting against Lendl in Boca Raton in 1986), but can you imagine this kind of thing happening today in men's tennis? I can't, honestly, but maybe that's just me. (And yeah, I remember Serena getting a point penalty in 2009 for threatening to kill a line judge, but that was so extreme nobody in their right mind could let it pass.)

 

[jackson vile]

This is the point they are scared to death to discuss. Everyone, even Federer is going over the time limit. They are just desperate as usual.

Hmm..it was curious yesterday watching the Delpo Maktosevic(???) match from IW.

The american commentators covering the match for TC discussed the time limit rule at one point:



For Jerry- they remarked how in that match, Delpo avg 27 secs between points. Not criminal time abuse but not the greased lightening
you claimed he was either. Doubtless he needed the time to recover between pts from his epic match with a qualifier




They remarked how if certain players are going to blatantly disregard the rule repeatedly, why bother having a written rule?

One commentator asked that if after a long 30+ stroke rally should the umpire have the discretion to let the players take a little extra time, and his colleague replied vehemently 'no, it is a hard and fast rule, enforce it', to which the other commentator replied that he actually agreed.

FWIW.

Doubtless, Im sure the *******s will say its a conspiracy and the commentators are secret *******s

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

Federer is a good standard upon which the time rules should be constructed since he is the GOAT. At least so far. Who knows, maybe Djoker will surpass him.

 

[Crisstti]

Nadal goes over the time limit EVERY point.

Drop the shades already!

1. He doesn't.

2. So what if he did (or that he does more often than many other players, as it's actually)?. That is as much breaking the rules as someone who goes over the time limit less often. Who are you to say it's OK to do it X amount of times in a match, but not Y amount of times?. you're just applying your own discretion there.

 

[TMF]

This is the point they are scared to death to discuss. Everyone, even Federer is going over the time limit. They are just desperate as usual.

During Roger's first match in the late first set, the commentator said Roger's average time between point was 15 secounds and his apponent was 18.

 

[devila]

forcing the rule will really do wonders for the game.
shorter rest=stamina loss=shorter games=more winners.

with less than 15 seconds to serve, federer will give orgasm fits to his fanboys. he and grass specialists and random big servers will populate the top 5. no point construction needed since there'll be mostly ace winners.

sky commentguy trashed djokovic today but he admired kevin anderson's play even though kevin was down 2-6.
if fed escaped with 7-6 (11-9), the fedfan dweeb would praise fed like he never sweated and was just relaxing with fun, quick efficient games!

 

[Rozroz]

with less than 15 seconds to serve, federer will give orgasm fits to his fanboys. he and grass specialists and random big servers will populate the top 5. no point construction needed since there'll be mostly ace winners.

sky commentguy trashed djokovic today but he admired kevin anderson's play even though kevin was down 2-6.
if fed escaped with 7-6 (11-9), the fedfan dweeb would praise fed like he never sweated and was just relaxing with fun, quick efficient games!

It's not just the serving.
The whole approach to the match will be different.
A player will start a match knowing he goes into routine 20 cycle.
more exitement. Nothing to do with Fed in particular.

 

[FD3S]

with less than 15 seconds to serve, federer will give orgasm fits to his fanboys. he and grass specialists and random big servers will populate the top 5. no point construction needed since there'll be mostly ace winners.

sky commentguy trashed djokovic today but he admired kevin anderson's play even though kevin was down 2-6.
if fed escaped with 7-6 (11-9), the fedfan dweeb would praise fed like he never sweated and was just relaxing with fun, quick efficient games!

Wait, wait, wait. So increasing the pace of play will also speed up the courts, lighten the balls, take away poly and make everyone crappier returners?

Goddamn, no wonder Rafa plays so slow.

 

[TheTruth]

The commentator making those comments was Sam Gore who is, without a doubt, one of the dumbest tennis commentators around and he says some of the stupidest things. The guy who agreed was Doug Adler who is pretty decent when he works with Robbie Koenig who actually knows something about tennis and generally keeps Doug on course. Both Sam and Doug are confirmed Fed worshipers so they are hardly unbiased, objective commentators.Funny how people aren't complaining about how slow Leonardo Mayer was in yesterday's match. He was consistently taking longer than Rafa between points but I guess dissing Leonardo doesn't get as much traction on this board as dissing Rafa. :roll:

I can't believe anyone takes these commentators seriously. They are so blatantly biased it's pathetic, and boy are they good at turning a blind eye to members of their clique. I find their commentary entirely worthless.

 

[Polvorin]

The umpire has timing systems = just enforce the rule.

Umpire's response: "I would rather not."

 

[monfed]

1. He doesn't.

2. So what if he did (or that he does more often than many other players, as it's actually)?. That is as much breaking the rules as someone who goes over the time limit less often. Who are you to say it's OK to do it X amount of times in a match, but not Y amount of times?. you're just applying your own discretion there.

Contradicted yourself there so can't take you seriously,sorry.