Federer praises Nadal's longevity

Oceans

Rookie
“Good guy, great player, my God who would have thought that he was going to be world No. 1 again this year after being world No. 1 for the first time 11 years ago. All the people were saying that he was going to be injured, that he was going to not make it, that he was not going to be healthy at one point, his game is too brutal, but he found a way and he has had another incredible season with two Grand Slam wins this year."

 
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Robert Baratheon

Guest
As if money means anything in this context. All 3 of them aren’t able to spend their money in 10 lives or more. But this GOAT competition can only have one final winner and takes places on a totally different level. Having money nevertheless is no consolation when the first price is immaterial.
Thing is that Spencer Gore made it seem like Fraud is dying from pain at the prospect of losing his GOAT title. And my point is that the guy has everything and losing some GOAT title won't make him feel sorry for himself and us(Spencer) feeling sorry for Roger makes no sense.
Ofcourse holding the record is a great thing. Being the best in any competition is great but none of the big3 are going to be really sad at losing their record or not achieving that record.
That bit is for the stupid fans.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
Being the best in any competition is great but none of the big3 are going to be really sad at losing their record or not achieving that record.
I think they would. Otherwise they wouldn’t fight for it the way they do. And Federer will have it the worst if he isn’t the one who comes out on top, because surely at some point he must have felt quite safe as GOAT already.
 
I think they would. Otherwise they wouldn’t fight for it the way they do. And Federer will have it the worst if he isn’t the one who comes out on top, because surely at some point he must have felt quite safe as GOAT already.
He has only himself to blame if rafa surpasses him...
So many lost opportunities, matter of clutch
AO 2005 & 2009
FO 2006 & 2011
Wim 2008, 2014 & 2019
USO 2009, 2011 & 2015...
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
He has only himself to blame if rafa surpasses him...
So many lost opportunities, matter of clutch
AO 2005 & 2009
FO 2006 & 2011
Wim 2008, 2014 & 2019
USO 2009, 2011 & 2015...
Glad to see you omitted Wimbledon 2015. That’s the highest level on grass I’ve ever seen Novak play. He was outstanding that day.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Roger. The slam record obviously means everything to him and he can see it -and his ultimate legacy- slipping away.
He'll be ok. He was called the GOAT for over 10 years. Sampras, the original one who broke the Slam record, didn't enjoy that and was never seen as the unanimous GOAT like Federer is.
 
2006 and 2011 Roland Garros? They weren't even 5-setters.
Was Federer up a break in the 5th Set of 2 slam finals?
Rafa was up a break in the 5th Set of 2012ao and 2017ao finals :)
No he wasn't a break up in the 5th set, but those two were arguably the best chances he has ever had to take down rafa at RG.. 2011 even more so, as roger outplayed rafa for 3 straight sets but ended up 2-1 down at the end of 3rd set...
He seriously needed more clutch..
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
He'll be ok. He was called the GOAT for over 10 years. Sampras, the original one who broke the Slam record, didn't enjoy that and was never seen as the unanimous GOAT like Federer is.
Federer was called the GOAT by most of the general public for about ten years. Laver was the undisputed GOAT for almost 30 years. (He still is considered GOAT among the most knowledgeable tennis fans).

Federer is not even 40 years old. That means he's going to have 40+ years to live ( god willing) knowing someone else is generally considered the GOAT.

That's going to hurt.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer was called the GOAT by most of the general public for about ten years. Laver was the undisputed GOAT for almost 30 years. (He still is considered GOAT among the most knowledgeable tennis fans).

Federer is not even 40 years old. That means he's going to have 40+ years to live ( god willing) knowing someone else is generally considered the GOAT.

That's going to hurt.
Still, even if that happens, that's better than what Sampras enjoyed.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
A GOAT tier system is probably the best. Given the inflation of this era, I would say that all of the big three have cemented themselves as tier one GOATs but Borg, Rod, and Pancho probably should be up there too. Nadal slightly behind Roger and Novak in overall resume. There is no objective greatest given the difficulty of era comparison and I think these guys know that too.
 

The Blond Blur

Hall of Fame
RAFA's longevity is indeed super underrated here. The guy won his 1st slem at 19 (he'll probably be the last teenage male to ever win a slem) and his last to date at 33. That's a difference of 14 years and he's still a threat to win any of the slems next year :oops: In the words of @MichaelNadal RAFA is so epic and GOATY :D
 

Xemi666

Professional
Fed is right there. 10 years ago no one thought Rafa would last on top of tennis world for so long.
It's true, even his fans didn't (myself included), I thought by 30 he would be retired. I think if it wasn't for Djokovic appearing and started closing in on him, Nadal would have retired already, just like Federer probably would have retired if Nadal hadn't appeared too.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
He'll be ok. He was called the GOAT for over 10 years. Sampras, the original one who broke the Slam record, didn't enjoy that and was never seen as the unanimous GOAT like Federer is.
Not sure about it he got owned by Nadal from day one some late victorious for Fed cant change the reality and then owned by Djokovic. He only has the slam record because he is older than Nadal and Djokovic. Tennis media and his l fans loves him so much but that cant change the reality. He was never been an undisputed goat.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Not sure about it he got owned by Nadal from day one some late victorious for Fed cant change the reality and then owned by Djokovic. He only has the slam record because he is older than Nadal and Djokovic. Tennis media and his l fans loves him so much but that cant change the reality. He was never been an undisputed goat.
You guys don't hold back. Lol. Well I think it was kind of hard to dispute it at the end of 2009 or after 2010 AO when he had all the Slams, sustained dominance, closing in on weeks at #1 record, Slam record, etc. He also was 10 Slams ahead of Nadal then and 15 ahead of Djokovic. o_O No one saw them coming quite like they did, or really saw them touching his Slam count then. So the head to head against Nadal wasn't great but he was so far ahead that everybody just overlooked it. I do think the media were too hasty in declaring him GOAT though.
 

Lew II

Legend
11 years ago #1 but also 14 years ago #2.

Years between the first and the last year as a top-2

Federer/Nadal 14
Connors 10
Djokovic/Lendl/Agassi 8

Years between the first and the last year as a top-3 (here Djokovic comes into the conversation)

Federer 16
Nadal/Agassi 14
Djokovic 12
Connors 11
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Roger. The slam record obviously means everything to him and he can see it -and his ultimate legacy- slipping away.
Does the Slam record mean everything to him though? Because he can still boast that he's beaten Nadal in 6 of their last 7 meetings. Actually it should've been 7 of the last 8 but Nadal conveniently pulled out of their Indian Wells SF meeting to avoid getting slaughtered. LOL Same way as he did in the Paris Masters to avoid getting crushed by Djokovic.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
You guys don't hold back. Lol. Well I think it was kind of hard to dispute it at the end of 2009 or after 2010 AO when he had all the Slams, sustained dominance, closing in on weeks at #1 record, Slam record, etc. He also was 10 Slams ahead of Nadal then and 15 ahead of Djokovic. o_O No one saw them coming quite like they did, or really saw them touching his Slam count then. So the head to head against Nadal wasn't great but he was so far ahead that everybody just overlooked it. I do think the media were too hasty in declaring him GOAT though.
But also realize that the sport itself has changed in terms of surface homogenization. Every surface plays the exact same way and it's built for defenders and grinders. Not for attackers. It's why Djokovic struggles more on faster surfaces. Players are having 20-30 shot rallies on Wimbledon grass which in itself is nuts. LOL
 

SQA333

Hall of Fame
Federer is a true gentleman. He gives a lot of credit to both Nadal and Djokovic with the late comments.

It is surprising how humble he has become last years. His off-court behavior is magnificent and impeccable.
That's what happens when you realise you will be 3rd (i.e. irrelevant) in the GOAT debate.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Federer is a true gentleman. He gives a lot of credit to both Nadal and Djokovic with the late comments.

It is surprising how humble he has become last years. His off-court behavior is magnificent and impeccable.
Honestly so has Djoker. They all have truly learned to understand what it takes and how magnificent it truly is to be doing what they have. Rafa has always been this way though.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
That's what happens when you realise you will be 3rd (i.e. irrelevant) in the GOAT debate.
Irrelevant? Even if Rafa surpasses him, Djoker still has 5 to go. Many different records set them apart. Even at 3, he does not become irrelevant to the discussion of "tiger" and surely does not come irrelevant as a tennis icon as he still will probably go down as the most beloved and recognizable tennis player of all time.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Federer was called the GOAT by most of the general public for about ten years. Laver was the undisputed GOAT for almost 30 years. (He still is considered GOAT among the most knowledgeable tennis fans).

Federer is not even 40 years old. That means he's going to have 40+ years to live ( god willing) knowing someone else is generally considered the GOAT.

That's going to hurt.
You realize Federer still leads in the Slam count, right? Nadal hasn't passed him yet nor even tied him. Nor has Djokovic.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
But also realize that the sport itself has changed in terms of surface homogenization. Every surface plays the exact same way and it's built for defenders and grinders. Not for attackers. It's why Djokovic struggles more on faster surfaces. Players are having 20-30 shot rallies on Wimbledon grass which in itself is nuts. LOL
But the surfaces had already changed when Federer was dominating. You had people like Navratilova complaining about the surface speed even in 2006. Federer benefitted from it just like they did. So to say the surfaces are not built for attackers is not correct when the man has 20 Slams. Also, Djokovic does not struggle on faster surfaces. If that was the case then he wouldn't have 4 Shanghais, the fastest surface on tour, including one where he didn't even lose serve. He also just won Paris Masters with a surface speed of 40+ and has 4 Dubais.
 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
Does the Slam record mean everything to him though? Because he can still boast that he's beaten Nadal in 6 of their last 7 meetings. Actually it should've been 7 of the last 8 but Nadal conveniently pulled out of their Indian Wells SF meeting to avoid getting slaughtered. LOL Same way as he did in the Paris Masters to avoid getting crushed by Djokovic.
You might want to consider a career a fiction writer.
 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
But also realize that the sport itself has changed in terms of surface homogenization. Every surface plays the exact same way and it's built for defenders and grinders. Not for attackers. It's why Djokovic struggles more on faster surfaces. Players are having 20-30 shot rallies on Wimbledon grass which in itself is nuts. LOL
No, they don't.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
You might want to consider a career a fiction writer.
Don't need to. Just looking at the events that transpired. He pulled out right before meeting Federer on Federer's favourite surface. He again pulled out to avoid meeting Novak on Novak's favourite surface. Any sign of that "injury" at WTF or Davis Cup? Nope! :laughing:
 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
Don't need to. Just looking at the events that transpired. He pulled out right before meeting Federer on Federer's favourite surface. He again pulled out to avoid meeting Novak on Novak's favourite surface. Any sign of that "injury" at WTF or Davis Cup? Nope! :laughing:
You don't need to know what you are talking about? I suppose, that's one way to do it.

Hell, I understand why you might speculate that but you should at least realize you don't really know what you are talking about and are at best speculating with pretty limited info. You aren't a doctor, you didn't examine him and you aren't privy to any results of his examinations.

It's is somewhat humorous that the idea of being precautionary, at 33 years old no less, is totally beyond the realm of consideration from you.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Roger. The slam record obviously means everything to him and he can see it -and his ultimate legacy- slipping away.
Federer was called the GOAT by most of the general public for about ten years. Laver was the undisputed GOAT for almost 30 years. (He still is considered GOAT among the most knowledgeable tennis fans).

Federer is not even 40 years old. That means he's going to have 40+ years to live ( god willing) knowing someone else is generally considered the GOAT.

That's going to hurt.
Federer = world class legendary athlete. You = pathetic internet troll.
 
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Deleted member 762049

Guest
Federer was called the GOAT by most of the general public for about ten years. Laver was the undisputed GOAT for almost 30 years. (He still is considered GOAT among the most knowledgeable tennis fans).

Federer is not even 40 years old. That means he's going to have 40+ years to live ( god willing) knowing someone else is generally considered the GOAT.

That's going to hurt.
And if come it comes to pass that he isn't "GOAT", I think he can live with 'the most talented person to have ever picked up a tennis racquet", as Mac recently opined.
The whole GOAT bit was always misinterpreted. Laver and Mac were saying things like "He may be the greatest I've ever seen" long before he even got close to breaking the Sampras record. They were basing their comments on his talent, technique, etc. That will most likely stand for all time. And there are a million Youtube videos as proof.
 

beard

Hall of Fame
“Good guy, great player, my God who would have thought that he was going to be world No. 1 again this year after being world No. 1 for the first time 11 years ago. All the people were saying that he was going to be injured, that he was going to not make it, that he was not going to be healthy at one point, his game is too brutal, but he found a way and he has had another incredible season with two Grand Slam wins this year."

Wow, Federer was/is obviously ttw member!

If I had to guess he would be covered as woman, maybe AngieB (lost from forum after Novak started mayoring at mayors, and Federer mayoring at minors) or her female successor who wanish too after latest Rafole wins...
 

RS

Legend
But the surfaces had already changed when Federer was dominating. You had people like Navratilova complaining about the surface speed even in 2006. Federer benefitted from it just like they did. So to say the surfaces are not built for attackers is not correct when the man has 20 Slams. Also, Djokovic does not struggle on faster surfaces. If that was the case then he wouldn't have 4 Shanghais, the fastest surface on tour, including one where he didn't even lose serve. He also just won Paris Masters with a surface speed of 40+ and has 4 Dubais.
They always moan about the speed of courts players......
They want grass to be faster but when it was Sampras was boring you can never win.
 
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ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
But the surfaces had already changed when Federer was dominating. You had people like Navratilova complaining about the surface speed even in 2006. Federer benefitted from it just like they did. So to say the surfaces are not built for attackers is not correct when the man has 20 Slams. Also, Djokovic does not struggle on faster surfaces. If that was the case then he wouldn't have 4 Shanghais, the fastest surface on tour, including one where he didn't even lose serve. He also just won Paris Masters with a surface speed of 40+ and has 4 Dubais.
USO is slower than in 2006 though and I can say the same thing about Wimbledon.I think balls used are slower/heavier than in 2000s.From my perspective balls moved faster back in those days.
 
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Do you find Sampras better to watch? Most people do not imo.
I enjoy fast-paced attacking tennis and the precision it takes. Most people are relatively casual, and it's obviously easier to observe and analyse the patterns of protracted rallies than quick blink-and-you'll-miss-it exchanges. Those who think serve-and-volley is boring (not that peak Sampras wasn't willing to play rallies except on grass, he had every shot in the book) neglect to pay attention to the multitude of service, return and volley types employed. When most points last only a few strokes, every shot must have an immediate purpose to it, no neutral rallying while looking for attackable balls. It's amazing to see s&v masters place volleys and half-volleys on a dime wherever they want to.
 

RS

Legend
I enjoy fast-paced attacking tennis and the precision it takes. Most people are relatively casual, and it's obviously easier to observe and analyse the patterns of protracted rallies than quick blink-and-you'll-miss-it exchanges. Those who think serve-and-volley is boring (not that peak Sampras wasn't willing to play rallies except on grass, he had every shot in the book) neglect to pay attention to the multitude of service, return and volley types employed. When most points last only a few strokes, every shot must have an immediate purpose to it, no neutral rallying while looking for attackable balls. It's amazing to see s&v masters place volleys and half-volleys on a dime wherever they want to.
I missed most of the Sampras era so i cannot speak about it. I like matches with a mixture of all kinds of points not to many short rallies but not a ton of long points played same point after point.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
USO is slower than in 2006 though and I can say the same thing about Wimbledon.I think balls used are slower/heavier than in 2000s.From my perspective balls moved faster back in those days.
USO is slower but for over the last decade I have not seen much difference in Wimbledon except this year. 2006 and 2007 were definitely not fast and 2007 was one of the slowest I can remember.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
USO is slower but for over the last decade I have not seen much difference in Wimbledon except this year. 2006 and 2007 were definitely not fast and 2007 was one of the slowest I can remember.
Can you make a top 3 with fastest and a top 3 with slowest Wimbledons since 2003 ? :)
 

Crisstti

Legend
While I'm sure Federer will be fine if he loses the slam record, it won't seriously impact on his overall happiness during his life, I definitely think he cares and more than fans do (except for the crazy people of course). It's him putting in all the effort, it's his career and a big part of his life. Same with all players.

He does seem to have come to terms with it. I don't think in any case he thought his record was safe the way fans did. He was surely well aware that at the rate Nadal was winning (and even Novak), he could well surpass him. Notice he talks about others thinking Nadal would retire early, not about he thinking that.

People were certainly too fast to assume his record couldn't be broken by the likes of Nadal and Novak. Rafa was never far when adjusting for age.
 
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