Federer reveals his honest opinion on a young Novak Djokovic and admits he lacked respect

Online posters may have expected Nadal to retire. Fed and his team are much smarter than that

Problem with Nolefams is that you've not seen any tennis before 2011, a newbie baby fanbase that knows nothing beyond stats..... thats why you are unable to believe that Nadal was expected to retire like Borg at 26 in 2000s.

Federer's game was smooth and effortless, so he was expected rightfully to play into 30s but Nadal's game was based on chasing every ball and he was expected to burnout with knee injuries. Clay was a gruelling surface with lot of rallies, he was not given a lot of chance by even real life fans. Infact after 2014 in the 2015-2016 even Nadal fans themselves thought that Nadal was done and dusted at 29, the comeback in 2017 was surprising.
 
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Problem with Nolefams is that you've not seen any tennis before 2011, a newbie baby fanbase that knows nothing ..... thats why you are unable to believe that Nadal was expected to retire like Borg at 26 in 2000s.

Federer's game was smooth and effortless, so he was expected rightfully to play into 30s but Nadal's game was based on chasing every ball and he was expected to burnout with knee injuries. Clay was a gruelling surface with lot of rallies, he was not given a lot of chance by even real life fans. Infact after 2014 in the 2015-2016 even Nadal fans themselves thought that Nadal was done and dusted at 29, the comeback in 2017 was surprising.
I’ve probably been watching tennis since before you were born. You just keep repeating the same wrong stuff over and over and that‘s just not working

in 2009 Nadal had shown he could beat Fed in any surface in any slam. Not only that but Fed lost both HC slams that year and had lost the AO to another young player the year before. At WB Nadal famously beat Fed in 2008 and maybe could have beaten him again in 2009 had he not been injured. The “invincible Fed“ was over.

Meamwhile Nadal was only 23 at the time and had won more slams and in more surfaces than Fed had at the same age.

no matter how you try to spin it there was no reason for Fed in 2009 to look at the field and think, “oh, yeah, my slam record is completely safe, no one can threaten that“. Nadal very much could. And eventually did.

now with the benefit of hindsight we see that Nadal mostly was ahead of Fed in the age adjusted slam race and Fed´s lead, when it existed, was pretty small. It was never more than 2 slams and that lasted only for a couple of years.
 
I’ve probably been watching tennis since before you were born.

Really?? lol, don't lie please :rolleyes:

If you were watching tennis in 70s/80s then your posts would be there in former pro section, you never post on any of the former greats much and that itself is a proof of you not watching tennis in previous eras. Doubtful you were watching in 90s either because we don't see you discussing of those players either, people who watched tennis in those times talk about it, they don't just brush it under the rug and be obsessed with Big 3. They refer to the past and mention it.... you don't.

Secondly, you not knowing the significance of the 3 slam seasons of Federer makes one doubt if you were watching in 2000s as well. How don't you know that Nadal was expected to retire in late 20s given the trend of the players before him all being done with winning slams by then? Tennis before Djokovic was like that buddy, the longevity of modern times was not there in 2000s and 3 seasons before Federer were unheard of stuff.... you should be knowing this if you were watching tennis before I was born, LOL.

The “invincible Fed“ was over.

Meamwhile Nadal was only 23 at the time and had won more slams and in more surfaces than Fed had at the same age.

no matter how you try to spin it there was no reason for Fed in 2009 to look at the field and think, “oh, yeah, my slam record is completely safe, no one can threaten that“. Nadal very much could. And eventually did.

now with the benefit of hindsight we see that Nadal mostly was ahead of Fed in the age adjusted slam race and Fed´s lead, when it existed, was pretty small. It was never more than 2 slams and that lasted only for a couple of years.

Invincible Fed was over but not dead. Federer won 3 out of 4 slams from French Open 2009 till Ao 2010, granted that Nadal's injury was probably why Fed won all these but nobody was expecting 3 slam seasons from Nadal at that time. Federer's record was not completely safe but it was a lot at that time at 28 because people did not win much after 28-29 at that time, check the records of players before that, you won't find people winning tonnes of slams in 30s. Nadal was actually expected to retire with Federer despite 5 years gap due to his game. You should be knowing this. Perception of public globally was this at that time.
 
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Really?? lol, don't lie please :rolleyes:

If you were watching tennis in 70s/80s then your posts would be there in former pro section, you never post on any of the former greats much and that itself is a proof of you not watching tennis in previous eras. Doubtful you were watching in 90s either because we don't see you discussing of those players either, people who watched tennis in those times talk about it, they don't just brush it under the rug and be obsessed with Big 3. They refer to the past and mention it.... you don't.

no lies. I first started watching players like Vilas, Connors, Borg and Jmac. But I have no clue why you would think that should lead me to post in the former players forum. I’m not a “The past was rosier“ kind of person. If anything I think the opposite. i didn’t watch continuosly though, it sort of came and went depending on my mood.

Invincible Fed was over but not dead. Federer won 3 out of 4 slams from French Open 2009 till Ao 2010, granted that Nadal's injury was probably why Fed won all these but nobody was expecting 3 slam seasons from Nadal at that time. Federer's record was not completely safe but it was a lot at that time at 28 because people did not win much after 28-29 at that time, check the records of players before that, you won't find people winning tonnes of slams in 30s. Nadal was actually expected to retire with Federer despite 5 years gap due to his game. You should be knowing this. Perception of public globally was this at that time.

Fed wasn’t dead but it was clear in 2009 he could be beat everywhere. And you keep repeating that in 2009 Nadal was expected to retire shortly and this is simply not true. It may be the kind of nonsense that populates online forums but that´s it.
 
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WATCH: Roger Federer reveals he told some “very personal” things to Novak Djokovic during his retirement that made the Serbian cry; unseen footage confirms :​



So it is not true that Federer has never made Djokovic cry!
 
Little did Roger know that his disrespect or dislike whatever would result in loss of multiple slams in future.
Its very well documented. Roger derided Novak for faking injury in Davis cup 2006.
Then mono excuse after ao 2008 loss. Then keep quiet in monte carlo 2008. Then riding with roddick bandwagon in uso 2008 and ao 2009 in deriding novaks injuries and walkover etc.
And then in 2011 the quote 6 months after ao. And then the famous finger wanging in fo 2011. And finally the lucky shot jibe in uso 2011.
On his side novak was super determined to beat roger whenever they played. And Roger felt that pressure when playing novak. That extra determination is the difference between match win and loss.
 
Roger was beaten like a drum in some of those 2015-16 finals.

As a pro player who was obliterating the field to reach finals and getting beaten by just 1 player. He had to change his approach, add SABR to try and disrupt the baseline rhythm of Djokovic. Even after all this, if he didn’t respect the player across the net, then he would not respect any opposition. lol
 
Little did Roger know that his disrespect or dislike whatever would result in loss of multiple slams in future.
Its very well documented. Roger derided Novak for faking injury in Davis cup 2006.
Then mono excuse after ao 2008 loss. Then keep quiet in monte carlo 2008. Then riding with roddick bandwagon in uso 2008 and ao 2009 in deriding novaks injuries and walkover etc.
And then in 2011 the quote 6 months after ao. And then the famous finger wanging in fo 2011. And finally the lucky shot jibe in uso 2011.
On his side novak was super determined to beat roger whenever they played. And Roger felt that pressure when playing novak. That extra determination is the difference between match win and loss.
Oversimplification
 
Roger was beaten like a drum in some of those 2015-16 finals.

As a pro player who was obliterating the field to reach finals and getting beaten by just 1 player. He had to change his approach, add SABR to try and disrupt the baseline rhythm of Djokovic. Even after all this, if he didn’t respect the player across the net, then he would not respect any opposition. lol

Roger was 34-35 years old, so even if he loses to peak Djokovic it is still better than Djokovic losing to Medvedev at 34.

I remember Novak in his peak being bageled at Cincinnati by Federer, now that is what you call beaten like a drum at the peak of your powers
 
Roger was 34-35 years old, so even if he loses to peak Djokovic it is still better than Djokovic losing to Medvedev at 34.

I remember Novak in his peak being bageled at Cincinnati by Federer, now that is what you call beaten like a drum at the peak of your powers
Lol. Cope bro cope.

We all know Djokovic > Fed. Peak, non-peak, slam count, #1 record…just almost everything tennis related lol.

And I see you have started using your category of Mickey Mouse tournament ( Cincinnati), to prove something. Slam meetings Fed was BEATEN like a drum by Djokovic.
10-6 overall slam h2h is getting beaten like a drum lol.

Infact since 2010, dare I say Federer was a Djokovic pigeon in slams. 9-2 h2h in slams. Using slams as you feel that it is be all end all for everything.
 
Lol. Cope bro cope.

We all know Djokovic > Fed. Peak, non-peak, slam count, #1 record…just almost everything tennis related lol.

Cope? Razer is a Novak fan.

And Peak Novak > Peak Fed?

Um. No. We all don’t know.

Maybe you have, but it’s hard to believe you’ve watched much tennis before 2010.

Meanwhile, even in 2011-2012 peak Novak was beaten by post-prime Fed at RG in 4 sets, at WB in 4 sets, and faced MPs at USO.

So no, peak Fed was not the 30 and older post- prime player that six-years younger Novak was fortunate to have faced for most of his career.
 
Lol. Cope bro cope.

We all know Djokovic > Fed. Peak, non-peak, slam count, #1 record…just almost everything tennis related lol.

And I see you have started using your category of Mickey Mouse tournament ( Cincinnati), to prove something. Slam meetings Fed was BEATEN like a drum by Djokovic.
10-6 overall slam h2h is getting beaten like a drum lol.

Infact since 2010, dare I say Federer was a Djokovic pigeon in slams. 9-2 h2h in slams. Using slams as you feel that it is be all end all for everything.

We all know that Djokovic at his best is below Federer at his best.
We all know that Federer is more classy than Djokovic
We all know that Federer is more popular than Djokovic
We all know that Federer has more money than Djokovic
We also know that Djokovic doesn't give a sh1t for his minions who spend their time daily praising him for free....

Cope bro Cope
 
Peak Novak > Peak Fed?

Um. No. We all don’t know.

Maybe you have, but it’s hard to believe you’ve watched much tennis before 2010.

Meanwhile, even in 2011-2012 peak Novak was beaten by post-prime Fed at RG in 4, at WB in 4, and faced MPs at USO.

So no, peak Fed was not the post- prime player Novak was fortunate to have faced for most of his career.

I know bro, I know. Take my words back. Anyway to do that, lol :)

And I did watch a lot since 2002. Before that - no.

Point what I am trying to say was - If Fed couldn’t respect Djokovic before getting beaten by him “like a drum”, it is wrong on his part.

It required someone to really put Federer in his place. That ego was to be tamed. And it got tamed. Being a 3rd wheeler in his own era is right where he belongs because of his own shortcomings
 
Cope? Razer is a Novak fan.

And Peak Novak > Peak Fed?

Um. No. We all don’t know.

Maybe you have, but it’s hard to believe you’ve watched much tennis before 2010.

Meanwhile, even in 2011-2012 peak Novak was beaten by post-prime Fed at RG in 4 sets, at WB in 4 sets, and faced MPs at USO.

So no, peak Fed was not the 30 and older post- prime player that six-years younger Novak was fortunate to have faced for most of his career.
numbers don''t lie. stop fooling yourself... :/
 
We all know that Djokovic at his best is below Federer at his best.
We all know that Federer is more classy than Djokovic
We all know that Federer is more popular than Djokovic
We all know that Federer has more money than Djokovic
We also know that Djokovic doesn't give a sh1t for his minions who spend their time daily praising him for free....

Cope bro Cope
A small response for your 24> 20, 27> 23, 10> 6, 425>>300 something. It’s no contest really. Lol
 
A small response for your 24> 20, 27> 23, 10> 6, 425>>300 something. It’s no contest really. Lol

24>20 but 1 Billion dollars > 500 M dollars

I would say money matters more in life, no ?

Bjorn Borg sold his trophies because he was bankrupt.... money is the most important thing on this earth.
 
If tomorrow the earth is getting destroyed by a huge asteroid and today there is Elon Musk's space shuttle leaving for Mars with limited seats and every family (of 4) has to pay 1 Billion $ to buy a slot in it, then Federer will be able to afford it, Novak won't be able to.

Never underestimate the value of money, it is more than those extra 4 slams.
 
24>20 but 1 Billion dollars > 500 M dollars

I would say money matters more in life, no ?

Bjorn Borg sold his trophies because he was bankrupt.... money is the most important thing on this earth.

Ok. lol.
Never knew it. Thanks for letting us know about money. We live in a money free world lol, it seems.

Though we were talking about Federer not being respectful to Djokovic till he got beaten like a drum. Rest all money talks can be done in a thread where we discuss about wealth of big 3
 
Ok. lol.
Never knew it. Thanks for letting us know about money. We live in a money free world lol, it seems.

Though we were talking about Federer not being respectful to Djokovic till he got beaten like a drum. Rest all money talks can be done in a thread where we discuss about wealth of big 3

Beaten like a drum?

Like French Open 2011 ?
Like US Open 2011 when Federer on MP at age 30 ? Of course he choked it like a weasel but reaching MP at age 30 showed us that levelwise Federer is always above Djokovic skillwise

It is beyond the caliber of Novak to beat Fed like a drum.... because Federer is superior peak for peak.
 
A peasant who gets dragged to MP vs 30s version of Federer doesn't get the luxury of using terms like beating like a drum
 
numbers don''t lie. stop fooling yourself... :/
What are the numbers on peak Novak v peak Federer?

We don’t have any cause they’re six years apart.

We just have ‘11-‘12 post-prime Federer beating peak Novak at WB, FO, and holding match points on peak Novak at the USO.

Records-wise Novak’s numbers speak for themselves… but if it’s peak for peak I’ll take Roger everywhere but the AO - and that would still be close.
 
What are the numbers on peak Novak v peak Federer?

We don’t have any cause they’re six years apart.

We just have ‘11-‘12 post-prime Federer beating peak Novak at WB, FO, and holding match points on peak Novak at the USO.

Records-wise Novak’s numbers speak for themselves… but if it’s peak for peak I’ll take Roger everywhere but the AO - and that would still be close.

I think Novak emerging ahead in numbers is a big deal in the end because he has won the final race, so overall the raw numbers > peak level .... but when these naive people use words like beaten like a drum then it is necessary to educate them on how close even 30s fed stretched peak Novak.
 
Lol. Cope bro cope.

We all know Djokovic > Fed. Peak, non-peak, slam count, #1 record…just almost everything tennis related lol.

And I see you have started using your category of Mickey Mouse tournament ( Cincinnati), to prove something. Slam meetings Fed was BEATEN like a drum by Djokovic.
10-6 overall slam h2h is getting beaten like a drum lol.

Infact since 2010, dare I say Federer was a Djokovic pigeon in slams. 9-2 h2h in slams. Using slams as you feel that it is be all end all for everything.
It's 11-6, which is not that different to Nadal being 11-7 v Djo in slams
 
Meanwhile, even in 2011-2012 peak Novak was beaten by post-prime Fed at RG in 4 sets, at WB in 4 sets, and faced MPs at USO.
Fedfans think they could hang their hat on that one!

Well, Djokovic had a 4-1 record against Federer in '11, so let's assume that Djokovic enjoy an 80% success rate over Federer. 20% is low, but not insignificant, so it was not a surprise that Federer won at RG. It meant one out of 5 would be a success, on average.
 
Fedfans think they could hang their hat on that one!

Well, Djokovic had a 4-1 record against Federer in '11, so let's assume that Djokovic enjoy an 80% success rate over Federer. 20% is low, but not insignificant, so it was not a surprise that Federer won at RG. It meant one out of 5 would be a success, on average.

As someone who thinks Fed’s peak was greater than Novak’s, I hang my hat on 2011-2012 because it’s a crucial 2 years for evaluation. Fed was just past his prime at this point (certainly past his peak), but Novak was in his peak - the low to mid twenties being the physiological peak for tennis players.

Yet Fed - near and past 30 - played him very VERY close in these years. Winning two majors against Novak - on clay and grass in just four sets (WB wasn’t very close) - and holding match points at another, the USO.

If this is how competitive Fed was with Novak past his prime while six years younger Novak was in his peak….

Is peak Fed going to do worse?

Anyway - I won’t go around in circles as surely you will have an argument - along with other posters.

But this has been done ad-naseaum.

So I’ll let it go here.

To each his own and no offense meant. Novak is an incredible champion who deserves all he’s won.
 
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As someone who thinks Fed’s peak was greater than Novak’s, I hang my hat on 2011-2012 because it’s a crucial 2 years for evaluation. Fed was just past his prime at this point (certainly past his peak), but Novak was in his peak - the low to mid twenties being the physiological peak for tennis players.

Yet Fed - near and past 30 - played him very VERY close in these years. Winning two majors against Novak - on clay and grass in just four sets (WB wasn’t very close) - and holding match points at another, the USO.

If this is how competitive Fed was with Novak past his prime while six years younger Novak was in his peak….

Is peak Fed going to do worse?

Anyway - I won’t go around in circles as surely you will have an argument - along with other posters.

But this has been done ad-naseaum.

So I’ll let it go here.

To each his own and no offense meant. Novak is an incredible champion who deserves all he’s won.

If you are going to delve deep into the - beyond the numbers point of view for context, then lets go all the way.

Federer at RG 2011 played his most dominant run to the final than he did even in the year that he won the title. In 2009, his prime year, he was dropping sets in the third round, was a inch away from potentially going out in the fourth round, had to fight back to win the semi. His only real true solid performance was in the final that year. Are seriously going to say that he played better in 2009 in his prime than he did in 2011 over all?

In 2011 heading into that semi, he lost zero sets, and up until he missed that dropshot on set point in the final, he was the most dominant player at that RG up to that point, considering Nadal himself had lost two sets to Isner. Also take into the account that year they used lighter balls which massively helped aggressively shot making tennis, the players said the balls were flying that year and a guy like Federer in faster conditions is a very dangerous combo anywhere. Had normal heavier balls been used, who knows how Federer would have played that tournament.

At Wimbledon 2012 they were neck and neck until the rain came and the roof came on. Federer legit won of course, but lets not forget that the match went indoors, and Federer at the time arguably was the superior indoor player anyway, having won back to back WTF titles, so the conditions began to suit his game more and more.

Now, you can still stick with the whole peak Federer is better, sure, but others will disagree.
 
24>20 but 1 Billion dollars > 500 M dollars

I would say money matters more in life, no ?
Not in those regions. Both of them have tons of money, not sure whether it matters really so much for them whether they have 100 or 200 million more. If that matters more for them than tennis results they wouldn’t be two of the best tennis players of all times.
money is the most important thing on this earth.
Tell that to billionaire Carlos Slim whose wife died of cancer and all his money couldn’t save her. Health for a start is more important than money.
 
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Fed wasn’t dead but it was clear in 2009 he could be beat everywhere. And you keep repeating that in 2009 Nadal was expected to retire shortly and this is simply not true. It may be the kind of nonsense that populates online forums but that´s it.
Tbh it was not only online folks. Ofc that was seen as some conventional wisdom among forum members, but I can also remember Pete mentioning in some interview in 2008/2009 the same stuff, that with this physical style, Nadal would retire quite early (not sure yet which if any age he specified but it was definitely meant before 30).
 
Not in those regions. Both of them have tons of money, not sure whether it matters really so much for them whether they have 100 or 200 million more. If that matters more for them than tennis results they wouldn’t be two of the best tennis players of all times.

Tell that to billionaire Carlos Slim whose wife died of cancer and all his money couldn’t save him. Health for a start is more important than money.
That's a little sanity in a sea of BS...
 
That's a little sanity in a sea of BS...
Yea absurd to think that money matters more to the big three than making history with tennis records. Those guys are tennis fanatics, whose life completely revolves around it. To think that Djoko would give four slams away for being richer than Fed, shows one has mo idea how the mind of those people work.
 
Not in those regions. Both of them have tons of money, not sure whether it matters really so much for them whether they have 100 or 200 million more. If that matters more for them than tennis results they wouldn’t be two of the best tennis players of all times.

Tell that to billionaire Carlos Slim whose wife died of cancer and all his money couldn’t save her. Health for a start is more important than money.

Nobody can escape Cancer, so that way anything is meaningless. However Federer is 2 times as rich as Djokovic and they both have 4 kids, so I think Federer's kids will lead a more comfortable life. If 4 more majors matter a lot then I would say 500M extra matters too.

That's a little sanity in a sea of BS...

LOL :D
 
Nobody can escape Cancer, so that way anything is meaningless.
Exactly if anything is meaningless compared to health then being healthy is by definition more important than money.
Djokovic and they both have 4 kids, so I think Federer's kids will lead a more comfortable life. If 4 more majors matter a lot then I would say 500M extra matters too.
Neither of them will ever have to work a day in their lives. What exactly is it what Fed’s kids will be able to afford and Djoko’s kids will not? For them to be happy in life, finding a good partner, being healthy, doing something fulfilling will be way more important than having even more millions.
 
What exactly is it what Fed’s kids will be able to afford and Djoko’s kids will not?

Already mentioned :

If tomorrow the earth is getting destroyed by a huge asteroid and today there is Elon Musk's space shuttle leaving for Mars with limited seats and every family (of 4) has to pay 1 Billion $ to buy a slot in it, then Federer will be able to afford it, Novak won't be able to.

Never underestimate the value of money, it is more than those extra 4 slams.
 
Already mentioned :
Lol at this completely absurd scenario. Also why the randomly picked 1 billion? The world hasn’t been destroyed by an asteroid in 4.6 billion years so the chances of it happening during Fedovics’s kids lifetime is very low to put it mildly. BTW if something like that happened, money wouldn’t be worth **** anyways as anarchy would break out and everyone would try to get a place on that space shuttle by force.
 
Lol at this completely absurd scenario. Also why the randomly picked 1 billion? The world hasn’t been destroyed by an asteroid in 4.6 billion years so the chances of it happening during Fedovics’s kids lifetime is very low to put it mildly. BTW if something like that happened, money wouldn’t be worth **** anyways as anarchy would break out and everyone would try to get a place on that space shuttle by force.

Havent you seen the hollywood movies ? The ultra rich will always buy their way into it, these space shuttles and ARKs which will survive doomsday are often financed by the richest people who have access to all the resources on earth, the best security, everything. When a scenario like this happens then among the last 1000 people leaving earth to colonize Mars or to live in Space it will be the kids of the Billionaires. We common people will not even be let miles within the spot where the shuttles are being built, if we try to get anywhere near it by air or any means we will be wiped out many miles before we even come anywhere close to it, the rich will have the resources to see to it. 1B is an arbitrary cutoff but I was just showing you how money matters, this whole notion of money does not matter is false. Federer is richer than Djokovic + Nadal combined, this is not something to be taken lightly.
 
Havent you seen the hollywood movies ? The ultra rich will always buy their way into it, these space shuttles and ARKs which will survive doomsday are often financed by the richest people who have access to all the resources on earth, the best security, everything. When a scenario like this happens then among the last 1000 people leaving earth to colonize Mars or to live in Space it will be the kids of the Billionaires. We common people will not even be let miles within the spot where the shuttles are being built, if we try to get anywhere near it by air or any means we will be wiped out many miles before we even come anywhere close to it, the rich will have the resources to see to it. 1B is an arbitrary cutoff but I was just showing you how money matters, this whole notion of money does not matter is false. Federer is richer than Djokovic + Nadal combined, this is not something to be taken lightly.
You say it. Hollywood movies. Again, how likely is it that an asteroid will destroy earth?
 
You say it. Hollywood movies. Again, how likely is it that an asteroid will destroy earth?

Cannot rule anything out, asteroids every now and then fly close to our planet, only a matter of time one of them does not change its trajectory and hits earth. At that time there won't be any intergalactic weapon by NASA to shoot it, there won't be ably Bruce Willis drilling it, let alone bomb it into pieces. When such a thing hits earth then we will not even know, such a news will not even be out until the last moment to avoid anarchy. The Ultra Rich will all board that ARK and vacate earth to probably Mars or probably an intergalactic space station to live a few decades until the debris settles and the earth's atmosphere is habitable again.

Ancient Alien theorists believe that there is a Type 3 or Type 4 race that created us, they have the power to manipulate asteroids and entire solar systems, they are the ones who eliminated the Dinosaurs 65 Million Years ago so that intelligent life could flourish on this earth, they could anytime decide to pull the plug on Humans. When that happens, only a matter of time before those asteroids you hear in the news that travelled past earth change their trajectory and travel towards earth to collide head on. If/when that happens, you know what will happen..... The Rich leave earth while we all perish....having a lot of money does have its perks.
 
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